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[Anon136]

Monero is the only coin I hold (for obvious reasons) and I don't think there is anyone left that feels that is a shitcoin.

There are dozens of us. That barrel-shaped plonk-swigging flimflam-spreading double bluff-boasting epitome of a shitcoin.

Monero has real utility that nothing else on the market provides. Why would you hate on it? Do you not think that privacy matters? Or just not often enough to justify it's existence? Do you believe that there are other projects actually provide it? Sorry just, like hueristic said, I find it odd that you would say that so it makes me curious.

I understand his desire not to want to rewrite the same arguments over and over again but couldn't he avoid invoking the ire of the mods by simply making a nice blog and linking to the relevant articles?  

WTF? So you get to discuss and he has to relegate himself to non-interactive communication because why? Because airheads prefer a forum that is an echo chamber. No the problem is that Shelby needs to go to a forum of his peers that does not exist. His peers being those “non-geniuses” who dig deep into technology. As he has been doing with @keean:

https://github.com/keean/zenscript/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-desc

Two peas in a pod over there. And most of you will not understand any of it.

Somehow all of the rest of us manage to avoid copying and pasting our same long winded arguments multiple times... How do we ever survive it... Correct me if I am wrong but that is what got him banned right?

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[d_eddie]

So guys, after reading a bit aroud this incoming ETF thing, I didn't decided yet whether this event will pump or dump the price!

I think that if an ETF should be approved, which I'm not too convinced of right now, it could be a mixed blessing. Depending on its rules and its effective audience, it can turn out to be a pump&dump machine for the elites or a retail instrument for mom&pops.

The first route could lead to more turmoil, chaos and mainstream scorn. The second route could help bitcoin become what it was designed to be. I'm thinking of mostly clueless baby boomers who could embrace an instrument promising exceptional growth and listed on the "normal" channels. This would lead to universal recognition, and in turn wider adoption.

Admitting some form of ETF is eventually approved, which way will it go? Hard to tell. Verifying a fund's financial solvibility/consistency is a trivial matter, given the way the blockchain works. Verifiable pubblic addresses require virtually no auditing.

However, as said above, the SEC guys are likely just bureaucrats at heart, with a vulture tinge on the side. So rather than certainty of collateral - which is trivial to verify as we all know - they focus on the (in)stability and manipulability of the underlying market - which as of today, is still a hard to deny reality.

We are facing interesting days for sure. And months, and years.

[vroom]

are bots allowed in this forum? We need a bot to report if the mempool reaches a critical predefined level. bob does a good job but he has to sleep at least 8 hours per day. so we need a bobbot.

Bots are allowed, so long as they aren't spammy or malicious.

Part of me really wants to learn how to write bots for these forums; start monitoring my node mempool activity stats, and start barking out posts upon an x% rise over y time.

Or learn how to query market APIs, learn how to use graphing libraries, and spit out graphic posts, but, TBH, my IT/Network/Coding past is behind me.

I want to pursue artistic passions.

Bitcoin/Lightning related matters keep me limber enough - staying up-to-date with tech - so as not to completely atrophy those skills. Fucking around with the official LND release now after upgrading my Bitcoin node from 16.0 to 16.1. Haven't built bitcoind from source, with support for esoteric libraries, in quite a long time.

I will write such a bot and publish my bad code. stay tuned

edit: well, I stumbled over my first problem. login requires a captcha test where the bot has to prove it's not a bot, haha
most likely it's possible to login in manually the first time and copy the cookie, I have to try that.

[ccminer.net]

So guys, after reading a bit aroud this incoming ETF thing, I didn't decided yet whether this event will pump or dump the price!

I think that if an ETF should be approved, which I'm not too convinced of right now, it could be a mixed blessing. Depending on its rules and its effective audience, it can turn out to be a pump&dump machine for the elites or a retail instrument for mom&pops.

The first route could lead to more turmoil, chaos and mainstream scorn. The second route could help bitcoin become what it was designed to be. I'm thinking of mostly clueless baby boomers who could embrace an instrument promising exceptional growth and listed on the "normal" channels. This would lead to universal recognition, and in turn wider adoption.

Admitting some form of ETF is eventually approved, which way will it go? Hard to tell. Verifying a fund's financial solvibility/consistency is a trivial matter, given the way the blockchain works. Verifiable pubblic addresses require virtually no auditing.

However, as said above, the SEC guys are likely just bureaucrats at heart, with a vulture tinge on the side. So rather than certainty of collateral - which is trivial to verify as we all know - they focus on the (in)stability and manipulability of the underlying market - which as of today, is still a hard to deny reality.

We are facing interesting days for sure. And months, and years.

interesting!

May I ask you why you think the ETF will be not approved this time?

THX

[gentlemand]

May I ask you why you think the ETF will be not approved this time?

THX

The previous applications were all turned down because the SEC can't police a global unregulated market. They can only give permission to the things they can 'protect'.

Absolutely nothing has changed since then.

[ccminer.net]

May I ask you why you think the ETF will be not approved this time?

THX

The previous applications were all turned down because the SEC can't police a global unregulated market. They can only give permission to the things they can 'protect'.

Absolutely nothing has changed since then.

So I agree that it will be rejected this time, and I hope all the further times!
I really hope BTC will keep being "UNPROTECTED" and UNREGULATED

[yefi]

ooooh another list! can i be on it too. huh huh please please

ohh, wait..

Strangely, I want to be on the list as well now   

[yefi]

What is the virtue of genius if you lack the resolve to feed your brain with all available data?

Actually, the exclusion of data is vital to the formation of intelligence. The savant Kim Peek, who was portrayed by Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man, showed us what happens when the mind is unfiltered: you end up reading telephone directories.

[Hueristic]

Monero is the only coin I hold (for obvious reasons) and I don't think there is anyone left that feels that is a shitcoin.

There are dozens of us. That barrel-shaped plonk-swigging flimflam-spreading double bluff-boasting epitome of a shitcoin.

Don't forget "exchange banned-IP leaking" in that description.

Gratz on heroing, Hairy! I've missed the exact post - too much going on too fast here.

Thanks Eddie.  I need to acknowledge Bones, Infofront and JJG for pushing me through the 500 merit barrier.

In other news the Chinese police have cracked a $1 billion World Cup crypto gambling ring.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/13/17569006/world-cup-gambling-ring-china-police-cryptocurrency

SHUM, Thus far, they’ve arrested 540 suspects

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Satoshi miners
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Just stopped reading after that.

Anyone that uses that term gets Auto Ignored now.

Somehow all of the rest of us manage to avoid copying and pasting our same long winded arguments multiple times... How do we ever survive it... Correct me if I am wrong but that is what got him banned right?

I think it was because he refused to combine posts and that is against the TOS. He was warned many times but being Shelby he feels he does not need to follow the rules and is above them. He then made a game of creating alts to avoid the banning. I believe all he has to do is apologize take his temp banning and then follow the rules to get reinstated.

He blew a small infraction into a massive war because he thinks he should net be subject to what everyone else is.

Shelby you can feel free to use one of your alts to correct me if I' have this wrong.

[vroom]

bitcoin looks like it will jump for at least $100 in the next hours. $6500 would be neat

[Traxo]

https://steemit.com/freedom/@anonymint/non-decentralized-forums-are-clusterfucks-of-corruption

EOS raised more than a billion

Ever heard of the concept of buying the ICO from yourself so the issuer surreptitiously controls 80+% of the token supply?

Clearly flawed "design". Most annoying spammers would be perfectly able (and happy) to spend way more on posting than "legit" users. That's a FACT (See spam signature campaigns for reference).

Moderators of your own individual choosing who flag spam as not visible to you is not any more costly than bitcointalk.org having moderators who do the same thing.
The amount of spam that has to be filtered would be less due to it not being entirely free to post.
Remember the decentralized ledger only has to store a hash, not the entire content. Those who are serving the content may refuse to keep copies of spam which no one else ever pays to retrieve.
Are you presuming the moderators here are paid? By whom? So if they are profiting, then are they impartial and objective?

Where is that genius IQ that I was told exists here?

Oh?  So you are going to pick up the Shelby (anunymint) slack to inform us about something of substance?  Or you just want to defend a troll?  Aka banned person?  By the way, if you have arguments that are really technical in nature, then you might want to present them in another thread.. If you want to spread some unsubstantiated and confusing claims like anunymint was presenting, then maybe you will find yourself in a similar fate, as him?

You’re an expert troll. Kudos.

Did you analyze my 12k + posts to find them unworthy?

The pattern was evident after only a dozen or so.

ooooh another list! can i be on it too. huh huh please please

Echo chambers need lists to keep everything tightly contained (anal-ized)

It’s likely anunymit on another ALT any way.

Theymos he is here  

Refuted.

Somehow all of the rest of us manage to avoid copying and pasting our same long winded arguments multiple times...

Yeah right none of the 20859 pages of this thread are redundant.

Actually, the exclusion of data is vital to the formation of intelligence.

Shelby also thought so in 2013. But you did not address my challenge to you. Where is the evidence for your “good case” claim? You were implying that Shelby is not suitably equipped to do genius level work. Are you sure?

The savant Kim Peek, who was portrayed by Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man, showed us what happens when the mind is unfiltered: you end up reading telephone directories

Could it be that what you perceive to be noise from Shelby is actually information which you are unable or unwilling to follow because of either your lack of IQ or more likely because of your preconditions, confirmation biases, and the maximum division-of-labor requiring effort to keep up with a domain expert?

Anyone that uses that term gets Auto Ignored now.

So you’d also cut your dick off because someone pointed at you and yelled rape? God misplaced the discernment module when he conceived you.

Somehow all of the rest of us manage to avoid copying and pasting our same long winded arguments multiple times... How do we ever survive it... Correct me if I am wrong but that is what got him banned right?

I think it was because he refused to combine posts and that is against the TOS. He was warned many times but being Shelby he feels he does not need to follow the rules and is above them. He then made a game of creating alts to avoid the banning. I believe all he has to do is apologize take his temp banning and then follow the rules to get reinstated.

Basically he has not been doing any of these things for a year or more:

https://steemit.com/freedom/@anonymint/non-decentralized-forums-are-clusterfucks-of-corruption

I challenge you to go into the archives of what @mprep deleted and find one instance where he posted two consecutive posts in any thread. There is not one case you can find.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

bitcoin looks like it will jump for at least $100 in the next hours. $6500 would be neat

What’s hinting towards an upwards price movement?

[Biodom]

So guys, after reading a bit aroud this incoming ETF thing, I didn't decided yet whether this event will pump or dump the price!

Plus it is not clear whether this time the application will be finally approved!

What do you think?

None of the previous attempts were successful so why would this one be any different?

I don’t forsee it gaining approval, no.
I do hope I’m wrong though because if it was approved I think the price would pump significantly.

It has a chance of approval because it is positioned as 'NOT for plebs' ETF and we all know that SEC only cares about that crowd.
Even with $6000 btc, each share in this ETF will cost $150,000.

[jojo69]

bitcoin looks like it will jump for at least $100 in the next hours. $6500 would be neat

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[vroom]

bitcoin looks like it will jump for at least $100 in the next hours. $6500 would be neat

pump signals, get your free pump signals here, top quality wall observer pump signals, pump signals, fresh hot pump signals

guys trust me, I'm in this business for a few months now. I don't read charts or make TA's. bitcoin asks me what it should do next.

[El duderino_]

Small price for belgium 3d place.... hazard kick’t one in also Nice ..... ok wordcup ended for me here No more spamming ;-)
Now Just new ATH and micgoossens is happy maybe take a few days-weeks-months or..... minutes ,seconds but whatever we get there and nobody knows the time frame BTC

[Torque]

bitcoin looks like it will jump for at least $100 in the next hours. $6500 would be neat

pump signals, get your free pump signals here, top quality wall observer pump signals, pump signals, fresh hot pump signals

[infofront]

So guys, after reading a bit aroud this incoming ETF thing, I didn't decided yet whether this event will pump or dump the price!

Plus it is not clear whether this time the application will be finally approved!

What do you think?

None of the previous attempts were successful so why would this one be any different?

I don’t forsee it gaining approval, no.
I do hope I’m wrong though because if it was approved I think the price would pump significantly.

It has a chance of approval because it is positioned as 'NOT for plebs' ETF and we all know that SEC only cares about that crowd.
Even with $6000 btc, each share in this ETF will cost $150,000.

Bingo. An ETF for retail investors would be summarily shot down. This ETF is for the wealthy. The SEC will not squander an opportunity to help the rich get richer.

It's the first step toward getting a retail ETF for the plebs approved. The wealthy elites need to be able to get in at the ground floor though, since that's where most of the money will be made. I'd expect the first pleb ETF to be approved when Bitcoin is at $50K+.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

So guys, after reading a bit aroud this incoming ETF thing, I didn't decided yet whether this event will pump or dump the price!

Plus it is not clear whether this time the application will be finally approved!

What do you think?

None of the previous attempts were successful so why would this one be any different?

I don’t forsee it gaining approval, no.
I do hope I’m wrong though because if it was approved I think the price would pump significantly.

It has a chance of approval because it is positioned as 'NOT for plebs' ETF and we all know that SEC only cares about that crowd.
Even with $6000 btc, each share in this ETF will cost $150,000.

Bingo. An ETF for retail investors would be summarily shot down. This ETF is for the wealthy. The SEC will not squander an opportunity to help the rich get richer.

It's the first step toward getting a retail ETF for the plebs approved. The wealthy elites need to be able to get in at the ground floor though, since that's where most of the money will be made. I'd expect the first pleb ETF to be approved when Bitcoin is at $50K+.

info - If the SEC approve an ETF tor the wealthy what effect do you think this would have on the price?

Give me numbers brother!

[Searing]

So guys, after reading a bit aroud this incoming ETF thing, I didn't decided yet whether this event will pump or dump the price!

Plus it is not clear whether this time the application will be finally approved!

What do you think?

None of the previous attempts were successful so why would this one be any different?

I don’t forsee it gaining approval, no.
I do hope I’m wrong though because if it was approved I think the price would pump significantly.

It has a chance of approval because it is positioned as 'NOT for plebs' ETF and we all know that SEC only cares about that crowd.
Even with $6000 btc, each share in this ETF will cost $150,000.

Bingo. An ETF for retail investors would be summarily shot down. This ETF is for the wealthy. The SEC will not squander an opportunity to help the rich get richer.

It's the first step toward getting a retail ETF for the plebs approved. The wealthy elites need to be able to get in at the ground floor though, since that's where most of the money will be made. I'd expect the first pleb ETF to be approved when Bitcoin is at $50K+.

info - If the SEC approve an ETF tor the wealthy what effect do you think this would have on the price?

Give me numbers brother!

it would not be numbers IMHO, or even the above 'limited' ETF,  it would be like when futures was approved and say, now the above approved 'rich folk' ETF etc.

Thus that 'movement' alone, towards regulation and moving forward, even if I could not afford the ETF,

would send the price higher for BTC, because we can still get in on that part of it! Remember 85% BTC has been mined, and getting damn hard to mine the rest!

At least for us that have/buy/use BTC. It would be an 'off to the races' signal IMHO. HODL would again be the new 'normal'.