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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
<$75K - 4 (3.3%)
$75K to $80K - 1 (0.8%)
$80K to $85K - 2 (1.7%)
$85K to $90K - 10 (8.3%)
$90K to $95K - 15 (12.5%)
$95K to $100K - 27 (22.5%)
>$100K - 61 (50.8%)
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July 14, 2018, 08:53:38 AM

Have we glimpsed the bottom?



One more big wave might expose the whole thing.


So you're saying it might be a triple bottom?
Good theory - but it needs more flesh on the bone.
But please, not too much.
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July 14, 2018, 09:23:27 AM

Have we glimpsed the bottom?



One more big wave might expose the whole thing.


So you're saying it might be a triple bottom?
Good theory - but it needs more flesh on the bone.
But please, not too much.

Haha.
Yeah that was one fat, ugly ass. I much prefer your chosen butts.
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July 14, 2018, 09:34:09 AM

are bots allowed in this forum? We need a bot to report if the mempool reaches a critical predefined level. bob does a good job but he has to sleep at least 8 hours per day. so we need a bobbot.
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July 14, 2018, 10:02:28 AM

useful bots are fine

chart buddy used to be an institution here
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Gratz on heroing, Hairy! I've missed the exact post - too much going on too fast here.

Thanks Eddie.  I need to acknowledge Bones, Infofront and JJG for pushing me through the 500 merit barrier.

In other news the Chinese police have cracked a $1 billion World Cup crypto gambling ring.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/13/17569006/world-cup-gambling-ring-china-police-cryptocurrency
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People with a load of money don’t tend to brag about it, they’d rather be discrete. Nobody of any real means wants others to know their personal wealth.

I’m pretty confident of that btw.

As if those with a lot of wealth can actually prevent anyone from finding out. Delusion much.


Still, your idea of decentralized forum will never work.

People will be abusing it to hell. What if CP lovers be the majority there? Hard/Centralized moderation is the only choice.

You seem as usual to not comprehend anything that Shelby designs and writes about.

The entire point is decentralized moderation. That means you can select mtwerp to be your moderator if you want and he can hard delete everything that you will ever see. But others can still find the content if they wish to choose a different filter of the blockchain data.

As for spam, that is simple. You spend something to post. Small enough that you don’t care, but large enough that spammers do care. And besides, if you are given the tokens to spend with for free, and those tokens are appreciating in value, then you are not spending anything. But the spammers will not be able to get those tokens for free, because they are not real people. But if you prefer to remain an anonymous little shit poster, then yeah you’ll need to buy some tokens. Might cost you 10 cents a month. Don’t know if you can afford that though?


then you could figure out how much trolling you would allow before you took some actions and whether flaunting a previous ban would be good for your forum?  Oh, that's o.k.. just let banned accounts come back and do whatever the fuck they want.     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You cannot understand anything Shelby designs or writes about. You continue to make technological and economics errors every time you reply to anything he has proposed or written about. IOW, Ignore (which is precisely what a decentralized moderation scheme enables).

I put him on ignore because he quoted and responded to our resident troll too much.

So you’d also cut your dick off because someone pointed at you and yelled rape? God misplaced the discernment module when he conceived you.


If someone wants to use cryptocurrency as a means to handle everyday expenses, then he recommends people just use one of the multitudes of altcoins available.

He tells me (via Crypto.cat) that your summary is accurate although lacking details such as the fact that Satoshi miners have no choice but to defend against some other miners using the booty to finance double-spend attacks. And Core is one of those altcoins you mention which he stated can be used as a checkbook, but which should be differentiated from hodling large value in which security is the paramount concern. And there is the post he made where he explained the technical reasons that all of LN (that remains when it fully centralizes as it must) can eventually be done on the real Bitcoin as well without the Core cruft added.


Certainly, I take any posts and posters with a BIG ass grain of salt

Yup that is quite evident. Everything goes in one ear and flies out the other, nothing stuck inside to be worse for the wear and tear on actual thinking.

(I'm still not convinced there is except to those who are exceptionally paranoid[not airheads like most of us in this thread])

FTFY.

IOW, the SegWit booty donations are not a low probability outcome. More like virtually guaranteed. We just have to wait for the booty to grow into the millions of BTC.

This is a good case of how those with lower IQs are unable to differentiate their peers with higher scores. Hence why every tenth person is "a genius" according to the general public.


Well Shelby admitted that. How would you define genius?

Your statement implies a claim that your IQ is high, but your analysis of the future of the US stock market lacks insight into the coming dollar short vortex which Shelby has written about.

What is the virtue of genius if you lack the resolve to feed your brain with all available data? What is the virtue of genius if you waste it in the W.O. thread of airheads.

And what “good case” have you proven? Data? Or did you just pull that out of your pompous, self-important asshole?

I understand his desire not to want to rewrite the same arguments over and over again but couldn't he avoid invoking the ire of the mods by simply making a nice blog and linking to the relevant articles?  

WTF? So you get to discuss and he has to relegate himself to non-interactive communication because why? Because airheads prefer a forum that is an echo chamber. No the problem is that Shelby needs to go to a forum of his peers that does not exist. His peers being those “non-geniuses” who dig deep into technology. As he has been doing with @keean:

https://github.com/keean/zenscript/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-desc

Two peas in a pod over there. And most of you will not understand any of it.


I never suspected there would be a transaction capacity issue. Then I came to the conclusion that it was a governance issue and the blocksize thing was just a symptom.

And you continue to make mistakes in your analysis, because you do not understand economics.
I would tell you to read @anunymint’s posts because he recently explained everything, but all the effort is nuked.
So relax, mtwerp protected your blissful ignorance and high IQ genius echo chamber.


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July 14, 2018, 10:19:37 AM

Gratz on heroing, Hairy! I've missed the exact post - too much going on too fast here.

Thanks Eddie.  I need to acknowledge Bones, Infofront and JJG for pushing me through the 500 merit barrier.

In other news the Chinese police have cracked a $1 billion World Cup crypto gambling ring.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/13/17569006/world-cup-gambling-ring-china-police-cryptocurrency

So...you're saying there's at least $1 billion potential in setting up a crypto gambling site...

good to know
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So...you're saying there's at least $1 billion potential in setting up a crypto gambling site...

good to know

EOS raised more than a billion
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July 14, 2018, 11:10:21 AM
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People with a load of money don’t tend to brag about it, they’d rather be discrete. Nobody of any real means wants others to know their personal wealth.

I’m pretty confident of that btw.

As if those with a lot of wealth can actually prevent anyone from finding out. Delusion much.


Still, your idea of decentralized forum will never work.

People will be abusing it to hell. What if CP lovers be the majority there? Hard/Centralized moderation is the only choice.

You seem as usual to not comprehend anything that Shelby designs and writes about.

The entire point is decentralized moderation. That means you can select mtwerp to be your moderator if you want and he can hard delete everything that you will ever see. But others can still find the content if they wish to choose a different filter of the blockchain data.

As for spam, that is simple. You spend something to post. Small enough that you don’t care, but large enough that spammers do care. And besides, if you are given the tokens to spend with for free, and those tokens are appreciating in value, then you are not spending anything. But the spammers will not be able to get those tokens for free, because they are not real people. But if you prefer to remain an anonymous little shit poster, then yeah you’ll need to buy some tokens. Might cost you 10 cents a month. Don’t know if you can afford that though?



Clearly flawed "design". Most annoying spammers would be perfectly able (and happy) to spend way more on posting than "legit" users. That's a FACT (See spam signature campaigns for reference).
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July 14, 2018, 11:15:41 AM


then you could figure out how much trolling you would allow before you took some actions and whether flaunting a previous ban would be good for your forum?  Oh, that's o.k.. just let banned accounts come back and do whatever the fuck they want.     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You cannot understand anything Shelby designs or writes about. You continue to make technological and economic errors every time you reply to anything he has proposed or written about. IOW, Ignore (which is precisely what a decentralized moderation scheme enables).

Oh?  So you are going to pick up the Shelby (anunymint) slack to inform us about something of substance?  Or you just want to defend a troll?  Aka banned person?  By the way, if you have arguments that are really technical in nature, then you might want to present them in another thread.. If you want to spread some unsubstantiated and confusing claims like anunymint was presenting, then maybe you will find yourself in a similar fate, as him?

By the way, even anunymint acknowledged that he was off topic and engaged in a kind of trolling, so it remains a bit unclear how you are going to attempt to carry the anunymint ball in this thread, but I suppose you could try.

Certainly, I take any posts and posters with a BIG ass grain of salt

Yup that is quite evident. Everything goes in one ear and flies out the other, nothing stuck inside to be worse for the wear and tear on actual thinking.

So do you have something substantive to actually contribute?  Did you analyze my 12k + posts to find them unworthy?   What point(s) do you want to make?  Let's hear something substantive from you?  You want to talk about segwit?  or lightning? or big blocks?  Or security?  You realize this thread is about BTC price and wall watching, but if you can make some kind of meaningful connection about some kind of substantive Bitcoin point(s) there may be some folks (including myself) that would be ready, willing and able to interact with you about your insights, if you have any,... .... Go ahead.... I am all ears?  Where we going to start, beside your newbie assessment about me, which is actually irrelevant..? Can you start with something related to bitcoin, maybe related to walls and price, perhaps?
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July 14, 2018, 11:16:21 AM

Here's a short-list of posters that frighten me:

PoolMiner
HairyMaclairy
LastOfTheV8's
Bob
Nanobtc
MajorMax
Anon136
Theymos is (still) sort of iffy


Updated. This list is subject to change without notice.

What's so frightening about them may I ask?


ooooh another list! can i be on it too. huh huh please please Grin

ohh, wait..
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July 14, 2018, 11:19:23 AM

2-4 years in a drunken stupor really does just fly by.

I picked a bad time to get clean  Sad

yeah.. i stopped sniffing glue for this??
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then you could figure out how much trolling you would allow before you took some actions and whether flaunting a previous ban would be good for your forum?  Oh, that's o.k.. just let banned accounts come back and do whatever the fuck they want.     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You cannot understand anything Shelby designs or writes about. You continue to make technological and economic errors every time you reply to anything he has proposed or written about. IOW, Ignore (which is precisely what a decentralized moderation scheme enables).

Oh?  So you are going to pick up the Shelby (anunymint) slack to inform us about something of substance?  Or you just want to defend a troll?  Aka banned person?  By the way, if you have arguments that are really technical in nature, then you might want to present them in another thread.. If you want to spread some unsubstantiated and confusing claims like anunymint was presenting, then maybe you will find yourself in a similar fate, as him?

By the way, even anunymint acknowledged that he was off topic and engaged in a kind of trolling, so it remains a bit unclear how you are going to attempt to carry the anunymint ball in this thread, but I suppose you could try.

Certainly, I take any posts and posters with a BIG ass grain of salt

Yup that is quite evident. Everything goes in one ear and flies out the other, nothing stuck inside to be worse for the wear and tear on actual thinking.

So do you have something substantive to actually contribute?  Did you analyze my 12k + posts to find them unworthy?   What point(s) do you want to make?  Let's hear something substantive from you?  You want to talk about segwit?  or lightning? or big blocks?  Or security?  You realize this thread is about BTC price and wall watching, but if you can make some kind of meaningful connection about some kind of substantive Bitcoin point(s) there may be some folks (including myself) that would be ready, willing and able to interact with you about your insights, if you have any,... .... Go ahead.... I am all ears?  Where we going to start, beside your newbie assessment about me, which is actually irrelevant..? Can you start with something related to bitcoin, maybe related to walls and price, perhaps?

Jay, just put him on ignore. It’s likely anunymit on another ALT any way.
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July 14, 2018, 12:34:07 PM

Bitcoin better be pumping ...... This Nikki beach ain’t No easy shit ......  Grin
Normal during sideways action i avoid This places  Roll Eyes
Expect myself to get totally f***** up drinking This early @ 33degrees
But can’t be watching cmc all saturday long during holdiday short trips , Just gives us bitcoinjunks a big squeeze pump for a time  Grin
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Or worldchampion or nothing i really hate This 3d-4th ending matches they Will never go for full.......
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July 14, 2018, 01:07:01 PM

So guys, after reading a bit aroud this incoming ETF thing, I didn't decided yet whether this event will pump or dump the price!

Plus it is not clear whether this time the application will be finally approved!

What do you think?
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July 14, 2018, 01:21:56 PM

So guys, after reading a bit aroud this incoming ETF thing, I didn't decided yet whether this event will pump or dump the price!

Plus it is not clear whether this time the application will be finally approved!

What do you think?

None of the previous attempts were successful so why would this one be any different?

I don’t forsee it gaining approval, no.
I do hope I’m wrong though because if it was approved I think the price would pump significantly.
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July 14, 2018, 01:45:02 PM

So guys, after reading a bit aroud this incoming ETF thing, I didn't decided yet whether this event will pump or dump the price!

Plus it is not clear whether this time the application will be finally approved!

What do you think?

I don't think Bitcoin ETF is the same thing as Gold ETF.

Bitcoin will do what it was doing since the beginning. Go up, go down, go sideways, then go up again.  Cool
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Monero is the only coin I hold (for obvious reasons) and I don't think there is anyone left that feels that is a shitcoin.


There are dozens of us. That barrel-shaped plonk-swigging flimflam-spreading double bluff-boasting epitome of a shitcoin.

Monero has real utility that nothing else on the market provides. Why would you hate on it? Do you not think that privacy matters? Or just not often enough to justify it's existence? Do you believe that there are other projects actually provide it? Sorry just, like hueristic said, I find it odd that you would say that so it makes me curious.



I understand his desire not to want to rewrite the same arguments over and over again but couldn't he avoid invoking the ire of the mods by simply making a nice blog and linking to the relevant articles?  

WTF? So you get to discuss and he has to relegate himself to non-interactive communication because why? Because airheads prefer a forum that is an echo chamber. No the problem is that Shelby needs to go to a forum of his peers that does not exist. His peers being those “non-geniuses” who dig deep into technology. As he has been doing with @keean:

https://github.com/keean/zenscript/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-desc

Two peas in a pod over there. And most of you will not understand any of it.

Somehow all of the rest of us manage to avoid copying and pasting our same long winded arguments multiple times... How do we ever survive it... Correct me if I am wrong but that is what got him banned right?
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So guys, after reading a bit aroud this incoming ETF thing, I didn't decided yet whether this event will pump or dump the price!

I think that if an ETF should be approved, which I'm not too convinced of right now, it could be a mixed blessing. Depending on its rules and its effective audience, it can turn out to be a pump&dump machine for the elites or a retail instrument for mom&pops.

The first route could lead to more turmoil, chaos and mainstream scorn. The second route could help bitcoin become what it was designed to be. I'm thinking of mostly clueless baby boomers who could embrace an instrument promising exceptional growth and listed on the "normal" channels. This would lead to universal recognition, and in turn wider adoption.

Admitting some form of ETF is eventually approved, which way will it go? Hard to tell. Verifying a fund's financial solvibility/consistency is a trivial matter, given the way the blockchain works. Verifiable pubblic addresses require virtually no auditing.

However, as said above, the SEC guys are likely just bureaucrats at heart, with a vulture tinge on the side. So rather than certainty of collateral - which is trivial to verify as we all know - they focus on the (in)stability and manipulability of the underlying market - which as of today, is still a hard to deny reality.

We are facing interesting days for sure. And months, and years.
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