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Question: Closing BTC Price June 28:
$0 - 5 (3.4%)
<$7,000 - 4 (2.7%)
$7,000-$7,499 - 0 (0%)
$7,500-$7,999 - 0 (0%)
$8,000-$8,499 - 1 (0.7%)
$8,500-$8,999 - 3 (2%)
$9,000-$9,499 - 4 (2.7%)
$9,500-$9,999 - 26 (17.4%)
$10,000-$10,499 - 23 (15.4%)
$10,500-10,999 - 12 (8.1%)
$11,000-$11,499 - 14 (9.4%)
$11,500-$12,000 - 13 (8.7%)
>$12,000 - 32 (21.5%)
>$20,000 - 12 (8.1%)
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Peter Rizun has about as much credibility as Dorian Nakamoto

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Dorian claims that he is not THE satoshi. What about that claim do you find incredible?
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June 30, 2018, 06:48:17 PM

I don't think that core is paying anyone to troll...

With all the memory capacity of a gnat: https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/943876564856348673?lang=en


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facts do matter! that's the most frustrating thing about interacting with some folks - they create so much false narrative and FUD, and confusion that's it's a large teams full time job to debunk and disprove! if we had less confusion, we'd have less drama.

Apparently this is the bit that proves Adam has employed a team of full time trolls... lol, what planet do you live on. That's nowhere near even the balance of probabilities.
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Something that might be interesting to consider is why some of you seem to be so invested in the idea of segwit being the ultimate good that you call anyone who question it, even on a technical security front, names. What's up with that?

In times of war, the cannon fodder must be convinced that they enemy is not human.
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June 30, 2018, 07:03:37 PM

Something that might be interesting to consider is why some of you seem to be so invested in the idea of segwit being the ultimate good that you call anyone who question it, even on a technical security front, names. What's up with that?

In times of war, the cannon fodder must be convinced that they enemy is not human.
It's true. Friend from school, a few years younger, he is an afghan vet. They call the locals over yonder jallas. Cause they go jalla jalla jalla when they attack. Necessary in order to be able to shoot them.

Which brings us to the question, who is the real enemy here?
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June 30, 2018, 07:15:05 PM

Something that might be interesting to consider is why some of you seem to be so invested in the idea of segwit being the ultimate good that you call anyone who question it, even on a technical security front, names. What's up with that?

In times of war, the cannon fodder must be convinced that they enemy is not human.
It's true. Friend from school, a few years younger, he is an afghan vet. They call the locals over yonder jallas. Cause they go jalla jalla jalla when they attack. Necessary in order to be able to shoot them.

Which brings us to the question, who is the real enemy here?
Who do you think it is?
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June 30, 2018, 08:00:42 PM

154    Streamr DATAcoin  507.50 BTC
155    Neblio Neblio         477.10 BTC (coinmarketcap.com)

^24hr volumes for 2 shitcoins that ~nobody played with last night

Venezuela 1week vol       494 BTC ( https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8v3y6u/amid_40000_annual_inflation_bitcoin_price_surges/ )

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June 30, 2018, 08:25:44 PM

Peter Rizun has about as much credibility as Dorian Nakamoto

Point not made.

Dorian claims that he is not THE satoshi. What about that claim do you find incredible?

“I am no longer involved (with bitcoin) and I cannot discuss it… It’s been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection.”  ~ satoshi

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June 30, 2018, 08:29:30 PM

Peter Rizun has about as much credibility as Dorian Nakamoto

Point not made.

Dorian claims that he is not THE satoshi. What about that claim do you find incredible?

“I am no longer involved (with bitcoin) and I cannot discuss it… It’s been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection.”  ~ satoshi

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I believe your parenthetic is incorrect.  Dorian was confused about what they were asking about.  In another part of the interview he seems to refer to "bitcom".  The speculation is that he had, at some time, worked on a classified project.
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June 30, 2018, 08:39:54 PM

i look at it this way: i am a long time holder. i have an amount of btc i wish to protect. there is a very small, but non zero, chance i could lose btc stored in a segwit address. and all i have to do to mitigate that risk is store my long term btc in a legacy address. well thats a no brainer to me. after all my long term coins rarely move and segwit has no real advantage for long term holders.

i do have segwit coins, those are the ones i move back and forth to exchanges, use to buy stuff etc, IOW the day to day coins. the bulk of my coins are legacy. i get the best of both worlds: cheap fees on the daily driver segwit coins, better security for the legacy hodl coins. so whats the problem?

EDIT: here is an interesting read.. its what happened to a bunch of segwit coins on a chain that does not support segwit coins. happened on the bcash side but does illustrate what can happen (well, kinda, i think. maybe its not).

https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7eixcu/recovering_bch_sent_to_segwit_addresses/

EDIT 2: i don not do bcash, i sold that crap off.

There seems to be nothing wrong with what you are doing, but there still could be a bit of an issue to not support segwit for long term storage, merely based on very low odds of an attack (as you mentioned).  I already mentioned to others  that trolls seem to be striving to get you to NOT use segwit.. and you might play into their hands, perhaps?

Regarding sending bcash to a bitcoin segwit address.
1) Bcash does not use segwit and your link seems to describe some possible problems with bcash, not bitcoin, 2) bcash forked before segwit got implemented and activated into bitcoin  3) bcash continued to use the same addresses for preforked coins.. and then used addresses that look like bitcoin legacy addresses (which could cause confusion), but I don't see what the bcash problem is because they should not be able to use segwit addresses (since they did not implement segwit)...   but yeah, there could be an issue with bcash getting sent to any bitcoin address, whether legacy address or a segwit address.

im not sure what you mean (point 0?). what disadvantage do i have by storing btc in a legacy address?

Ultimately, you can do whatever you want.  I am largely suggesting that if you support a system, then you should use it to make it stronger rather than getting scared away by fear mongers.. and largely a lot of speculative disinformation that is not likely to play out in real life scenarios.  Yes, I recognize that you seemed to have identified a compromise that you believe to be acceptable (and that is surely for yourself to decide what you feel comfortable with), but maybe you should question the extent to which you might be overly cautious and not even attempting to use the segwit aspect of addresses for storage.   

Largely you may be correct that there is not much of a difference... there also may be a certain non-necessity to move coins from legacy addresses to segwit addresses if they are already sitting in those addresses.

i will pay a higher fee when i move them at some point and i accept that. but im no worried about it; i tend to move fairly largish amounts (fairly largish to me anyway) at a time and generally im not in a hurry so usually i chose the smallest fee and dont care if it takes days to confirm. its a small percentage compared to the amount i move. for fast transactions i use segwit coins ive set aside for daily driver type stuff.

Yes.  I am not really talking about fees and transaction times for long term storage.  I do think that there are modern solutions to privacy that are being worked on with segwit.  I am not sure if there would be as much development on legacy systems... but I am not really sure.  So for example, I think that it can be helpful to divide your coins into different wallets, instead of keeping them in one wallet, and sometimes wallets will engage in some kind of unclear method of combining addresses within the wallet that you may have been trying to keep private, but then when you send, the wallet combines the addresses, so the output shows both addresses connected to you.  In that regard, there may be newer wallets (such a segwit wallets) that are trying to deal with this issue and give more power to users to control.

so how is that playing into anyones hand?

I should not have to explain this concept.  If segwit fear spreaders are trying to cause folks not to use segwit or to adopt it, then they achieve part of their objective when users act on such fears and fail/refuse to use segwit.  It is largely a systemic issue rather than an individual issue.   

as for point 1, as i mentioned it may not apply except for illustrating how the underlying segwit "spend to anyone" can be exploited. which is admittedly a very small risk, but a risk nonetheless. risk is risk. if it cost basically nothing to eliminate it, why would i not do so?

i guess it boils down to why i would go out of my way to use segwit addys for long term hodl?

We remain early adopters and kinds of guinea pigs.  We are going out of your way to use bitcoin, and to learn about bitcoin.  The more we learn, the better we understand it.... Of course, there is a balance and only so many hours in the day to learn about new systems.  When I first got into bitcoin, I attempted to learn about just a couple of aspects, and through the years, I have added more and more kinds of activities and for me, my participation in the bitcoin ecosystem has continued to be an ongoing learning process.. but I admit that I can only do so much at any one time.  I am currently considering adding another wallet for myself, and so I understand that it can take a while to learn and to add more bitcoin tools to my bitcoin toolbox.

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June 30, 2018, 08:42:48 PM

27% of England’s Male Millennials Say Bitcoin Better Investment Than Property

Millennials Turning from Traditional Investments and Toward Crypto

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Link or it didn't happen.   Tongue
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June 30, 2018, 08:44:24 PM

Peter Rizun has about as much credibility as Dorian Nakamoto

Point not made.

Dorian claims that he is not THE satoshi. What about that claim do you find incredible?

“I am no longer involved (with bitcoin) and I cannot discuss it… It’s been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection.”  ~ satoshi

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I believe your parenthetic is incorrect.  Dorian was confused about what they were asking about.  In another part of the interview he seems to refer to "bitcom".  The speculation is that he had, at some time, worked on a classified project.

me and dorian go way back ~ choo choo =) haha

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June 30, 2018, 08:51:39 PM

yes.

if segwit is doomed like anunymint is praising, people would lose trust in bitcoin and blockchain as a whole. that's why there is no advantage in storing coins on legacy addresses.
Praising? Who says he is happy about it?

Something that might be interesting to consider is why some of you seem to be so invested in the idea of segwit being the ultimate good that you call anyone who question it, even on a technical security front, names. What's up with that?

Because many BTC HODLers want to believe that the Bitcoin core team is headed in the right direction. They want to believe that BTC, in it's current state, is antifragile.

It is not pure "belief".  There is evidence to back up bitcoin being secure and ongoing attacks through physical attempts (such as spam), market manipulation and FUD spreading attempts.  So, anyone supporting and investing into BTC rather than pumping a bunch of alt coin and ICO nonsense gotta take "concern spreading" about BTC with a BIG ASS grain of salt.
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June 30, 2018, 08:55:28 PM

27% of England’s Male Millennials Say Bitcoin Better Investment Than Property

Millennials Turning from Traditional Investments and Toward Crypto

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Link or it didn't happen.   Tongue

Roger Ver's scam site bitcoin .com picked it up from http://www.getlivinglondon.com/pdfs/get_living_millennial_living_in_2018_report_first_look.pdf  ( https://archive.is/g6WkX )

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This research was conducted online with n=3,065 millennials (aged 21 to 35 years old), living across the United Kingdom from 28th March – 4th April 2018. Results were weighted on gender overall and gender within each region of the United Kingdom to ensure representativeness.
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June 30, 2018, 09:02:19 PM

Thanks, infofront, for deleting my previous comment in this thread.  You OBVIOUSLY noticed I've began deleting my own posts in this thread.  Too many damn trolls in here who don't appreciate good analysis.

Feel free to delete more.  I'm slowly going through all of my posts to delete ANY posts I've made in this thread.  It's not worthy of my time and effort.

No problem. It's not good practice to go around promoting your own thread and tradingview site, while being a dick to people asking questions.
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June 30, 2018, 09:03:13 PM

Thanks, infofront, for deleting my previous comment in this thread.  You OBVIOUSLY noticed I've began deleting my own posts in this thread.  Too many damn trolls in here who don't appreciate good analysis.

Feel free to delete more.  I'm slowly going through all of my posts to delete ANY posts I've made in this thread.  It's not worthy of my time and effort.

No problem. It's not good practice to go around promoting your own thread and tradingview site, while being a dick to people asking questions.

Point taken...

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June 30, 2018, 09:35:16 PM

Something that might be interesting to consider is why some of you seem to be so invested in the idea of segwit being the ultimate good that you call anyone who question it, even on a technical security front, names. What's up with that?

In times of war, the cannon fodder must be convinced that they enemy is not human.
It's true. Friend from school, a few years younger, he is an afghan vet. They call the locals over yonder jallas. Cause they go jalla jalla jalla when they attack. Necessary in order to be able to shoot them.

Which brings us to the question, who is the real enemy here?

We used to call them hajjis. It refers to people who have traveled to the Hajj (a ritual of taking a pilgrimage to Mecca). The thing being that it pretty much encompassed all foreigners in Iraq/Afghanistan/etc. even though most of the people working there were Pakistani. One of the commanders sent an e-mail out saying how it was an ignorant slur and to not use it anymore. To which someone asked if we could just call them oompa loompas...  last time I was there the term TCN (third country national) was adopted.

The word they have for us is essentially "the jews".
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June 30, 2018, 09:38:34 PM

yes.

if segwit is doomed like anunymint is praising, people would lose trust in bitcoin and blockchain as a whole. that's why there is no advantage in storing coins on legacy addresses.
Praising? Who says he is happy about it?

Something that might be interesting to consider is why some of you seem to be so invested in the idea of segwit being the ultimate good that you call anyone who question it, even on a technical security front, names. What's up with that?

Because many BTC HODLers want to believe that the Bitcoin core team is headed in the right direction. They want to believe that BTC, in it's current state, is antifragile.

It is not pure "belief".  There is evidence to back up bitcoin being secure and ongoing attacks through physical attempts (such as spam), market manipulation and FUD spreading attempts.  So, anyone supporting and investing into BTC rather than pumping a bunch of alt coin and ICO nonsense gotta take "concern spreading" about BTC with a BIG ASS grain of salt.

Well, some people around here are treating this all like it's dogma. Reminds me of when I was in a class converting to Catholicism and I dare challenged the fact about Jesus actually being born on December 25th. The sister was aghast that I challenged this, and her reply was "because the church says so." Needless to say, I am no longer a practicing Catholic.
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June 30, 2018, 10:06:28 PM

- Friday was coincidentally my retirement day. I'd entertain part-time, but they're looking for full.

Hard earned rest. Congrats!

Thanks!

I'm the technical editor of two industry draft standards. I'll keep working on those on my own dime, until they are ratified. But no longer at the behest of others. I'll probably wrap those up in 6-12 months of 10 hour weeks.
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