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Question: Nov. 18 closing price:
<$35,000 - 4 (9.1%)
$35,000-$35,500 - 1 (2.3%)
$35,500-$36,000 - 4 (9.1%)
$36,000-$36,500 - 4 (9.1%)
$36,500-$37,000 - 4 (9.1%)
$37,000-$37,500 - 3 (6.8%)
$37,500-$38,000 - 4 (9.1%)
$38,000-$38,500 - 5 (11.4%)
$38,500-$39,000 - 2 (4.5%)
$39,000-$39,500 - 1 (2.3%)
$39,500-$40,000 - 0 (0%)
>$40,000 - 12 (27.3%)
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Comments on Cboe BZX (BTC ETF) Rulemaking

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Subject: File No. SR-CboeBZX-2018-040
From: Lord Bogdanoff
July 11, 2018

POMP EET.

The comments are piling up, but there is a several day lag before they are actually posted. A (very slow) human must be reviewing. I suspect a tsunami of comments is building up.

While the vast majority support the ETF, I managed to find a couple negative nancies:

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Subject: File No. SR-CboeBZX-2018-040
From: Anthony Arcieri
July 11, 2018

A Bitcoin-backed ETF on regulated exchanges is a worrisome prospect due to ongoing "anomalies" in Bitcoin's price, which appear to be the result of price manipulation using methods which would be illegal on regulated exchanges, e.g. wash trading.

I would draw your attention to this study, which uses statistical methods to attempt to answer questions about whether Bitcoin's price was (and still is) being manipulated at the time of the price bubble at the end of 2017:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3195066

While I would love to see a path towards creating ETFs out of digital assets in the future, I'm not sure it makes sense to create one out of something whose price is actively being manipulated.

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Subject: SR-CboeBZX-2018-040
From: Muggeo Vincenzo
July 11, 2018

Goodmorning,

You have to pay close attention to Bitcoin and the products you want to authorize (ETF).

Most bitcoins (and other cryptocurrencies) are in the hands of a few exchanges that every day manipulate the market to speculate on projects and tokens that directly and indirectly manage.

This is the bitcoin rich list, you can see that the first 20 bitcoin owners are exchange and have most of the bitcoins in circulation:

https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html

Many exchanges use "false dollars" to pump the price of bitcoins and other coins (theter !!!)

In addition, the processing of transaction data is carried out by a few centralized entities that can decide what, how much and how to move everything at any time, these are called miner, the biggest miner in the world is called https://www.bitmain.com (there have been many problems in the past and the risks are very high).

BEFORE AUTHORIZING ANY PRODUCT YOU NEED TO RESOLVE MANY PROBLEMS THAT ARE ON THE BACKGROUND.
PLEASE, DO NOT BECOME CAUSE OF A TRAGEDY!

Best regards,

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July 17, 2018, 01:26:48 PM

No I’m a leftie.  Which means I want to disrupt the banks and break up the cozy corporatist monopolies and bust big pharma and big healthcare. We can start by dangerously giving free healthcare to poor people.

That's all fine. You can be a leftie for those reasons, but you don't have to buy into conspiracy theories like "Hillary lost because Russia hacked the election".
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so which future is the one where i own all the bitcoins?
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Well if peace means surrender, including siding with Putin against the findings of the Republican controlled Senate Intelligence Committee, then yes. After all, there’s nothing wrong with cock sucking. I’m sure many find it quite tasty. I certainly hope my wife does.

If Trump needs Russian help to defeat the ((deep state)), then so be it. They may have allied to fight the most dangerous enemy in the world.

Furthermore, I have no problem with cozying up to Russia, and distancing ourselves from Western Europe if it furthers our national interests.
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July 17, 2018, 01:39:13 PM
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Raja_MBZ, damn, improve you cropping game, man.

https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/1019139540215185409

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July 17, 2018, 01:41:00 PM
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Not a debate about which intelligence service is more honest than another intelligence service (hint they are both dishonest).

There is no debate. The President of the United States should side with his own country.
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July 17, 2018, 01:45:10 PM

At Bitfinex first popped  up 120BTC then 830BTC then another 830BTC in a matter of minutes... Come on bulls, eat this bear and let him cry later this year when we hit 40K!
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July 17, 2018, 01:45:42 PM

Well if peace means surrender, including siding with Putin against the findings of the Republican controlled Senate Intelligence Committee, then yes. After all, there’s nothing wrong with cock sucking. I’m sure many find it quite tasty. I certainly hope my wife does.

If Trump needs Russian help to defeat the ((deep state)), then so be it. They may have allied to fight the most dangerous enemy in the world, the ((deep state)).

Furthermore, I have no problem with cozying up to Russia, and distancing ourselves from Western Europe if it furthers our national interests.

https://twitter.com/theonion/status/981963457187794945?lang=en

Not a debate about which intelligence service is more honest than another intelligence service (hint they are both dishonest).

There is no debate. The President of the United States should side with his own country.

They don't represent "the country". They're actual people with their own personal agendas. They want to destroy Trump, and he should side with them?
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July 17, 2018, 02:19:12 PM

Comments on Cboe BZX (BTC ETF) Rulemaking

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Subject: File No. SR-CboeBZX-2018-040
From: Lord Bogdanoff
July 11, 2018

POMP EET.

That's all we need.

I don't really see why they bother opening up comments from any old scumbag. It's either moonkids, embittered Brazilian professors or the plain mentally ill.
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July 17, 2018, 02:19:22 PM

Not a debate about which intelligence service is more honest than another intelligence service (hint they are both dishonest).

There is no debate. The President of the United States should side with his own country.

His country are the people, over 300 million of them at last count. Not the intelligence service. Explain to me how an aggressive warlike stance towards a massive nuclear superpower will benefit the common man of either country? Will that help them feed their family, keep them safe?

In this situation you are either a warmonger or a moron to think that the 2 leaders of these nations should not be talking to one another in an effort to maintain peaceful relations. And, are downright disturbed to think that the intelligence service are his country. Especially with the proven criminal historical record of the intelligence service.
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Not a debate about which intelligence service is more honest than another intelligence service (hint they are both dishonest).

There is no debate. The President of the United States should side with his own country.

His country are the people, over 300 million of them at last count. Not the intelligence service. Explain to me how an aggressive warlike stance towards a massive nuclear superpower will benefit the common man of either country? Will that help them feed their family, keep them safe?

In this situation you are either a warmonger or a moron to think that the 2 leaders of these nations should not be talking to one another in an effort to maintain peaceful relations. And, are downright disturbed to think that the intelligence service are his country. Especially with the proven criminal historical record of the intelligence service.

Gun Industry is huge in USA.

They were creating artificial wars in the Middle East for years to sell their guns to local ME retards but after Russia stepped in, they had to stop. Warehouses are filled with guns, missiles, tanks, planes. Somebody should create a world war so the gun industry in USA won't collapse.

It is not Trump. It is not Obama. It is Texas. And Texas elected Trump. Why? He promised them a WAR. (a bigger one than what Hillary promised) Obama couldn't create it during his administration. They got bored of his shitty excuses.

What did Trump do after he got elected? Sold arms to Saudi Arabia.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-sells-6-700-missiles-saudi-arabia-part-1-n859406

Gun Industry is governing USA. Not drugsters, not banksters. It is all gunsters.
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Haha I’m not sure my link is better

It turns a crypto currency address into a unique 3D coloured seashell so you can instantly compare two addresses to see if they exactly match.  A slight tweak to the address gives a sea shell that looks completely different.

that's a neat idea for comparing addresses. comparing only a part of the address is not really secure. thanks for the description.

wait.. wasnt one of the first currencies seashells?

the more things change the more things stay the same..

Yea seashells of a special kind were used for hundreds of years apparently.   I dont know the full positives & negatives to that but it worked well enough to convey value over wide areas and trading apparently.  Jim Rickards mentions this and a few other standards while still criticising Bitcoin he acknowledges it is money.

I do think this very simple view of bitcoin via a picture (3D model format even?) is really important for mass adoption, not the QR code or the super long address.   Even the phrase mnemonics is not really it, people need a handle to be more comfortable with Bitcoin.   That'd be a game changer, slightly over looked or undervalued in the effect it would have to common use.


Bitcoin price accumulating it seems, its back into a positive phase now I think.  I wonder if that could be a very lazy way to trade it, just buy when its above a 7 day average or so and sell before it loses that momentum.   Not sure but would make a good virtual trade to try out.   We all know Bitcoin when it runs is extremely capable of gains so just hoping onto that positive move is probably quite smart for those of limited means especially who cant just hold and forget.
I'll give credit to nictrades here from twitter for underlining a while now that Bitcoin had broken a negative trend.    However markets still thinking about it imo, has to go above 6800 so not exactly vibrant action imo either


Why you need bitcoin reason#13577:

Your savings account should be called a “losings account”
3% inflation
2% interest
=>your savings lose 1% of their purchasing power every year

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Its done that way on purpose, its a form of tax effectively.   The difference in value generally credits in the governments favour who issue that currency without cost, restraint or any redress from the population using it which is the entire world.      
1% PA lost over the course of your working life, results in a 40% loss of value roughly [0.99^50].    If you saved your pension in cash you'd be a poor man

What did Trump do after he got elected? Sold arms to Saudi Arabia.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-sells-6-700-missiles-saudi-arabia-part-1-n859406

Gun Industry is governing USA. Not drugsters, not banksters. It is all gunsters.
I'll argue against this just because I think it leads people to the conclusion capitalism is evil.   Capitalism wants to produce as many guns as possible because its profitable and they want to sell them widely as possible, maybe creating power imbalances.

I'd say its not the companies competing for business which is creating the imbalance with this buildup of ammunition and war technology.  I think it goes back to the governments and their noncompetitive control of economies and spending of GDP within that nation.
I've owned a few defence related shares before (anyone with a company pension probably does) and most of their business revolves around gaining the confidence of large government spending  budgets.   Thats make or break for them to get a cut of that pie that only a centralised government has the power to hand out.

The population of Saudi Arabia given a choice to spend their own money would be looking for aircon technology far more then weapons.   Defence is an easy argument but setting a war with neighbouring or even distance countries is more likely the powerplay of politics and doing so while spending money which is not their own.  The War is destructive and on a very personal level there is little gained from violence, most people feel this way imo.    Government which has no interest in making a profit is most interested in war which results in no gain for the participants, the basic logic that war is loss goes way back and it definetly seems true in the nuclear era.

I'd go with what Ron Paul says on this subject probably, I think as he saw both sides of the war, spending and funding by government of the military business sector.
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July 17, 2018, 03:37:55 PM

For anyone that has an opinion on Trump Putin meeting I would highly suggest reading this link

https://www.themaven.net/mishtalk/economics/mass-hysteria-vkQlQ1iuLEmF5S9-DqEx0A/

Seriously dude that article is just a mess of moral equivalency and “but her emails”.  It is poorly written and structured. 
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If it's wrong to choose the smiling girl over scowlface, then I don't want to be right.

Sometimes people choose a shitty ass meme to get their point across.
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I'm a massive fan of simplicity tbh, the smallest thing in iteration can lead to great things.  The answer is far more likely to be correct when it doesnt require a long justification and explanation.   But its no good forcing either side, most of us dont have perfect clarity it takes time I guess

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Occam's razor is more commonly described as 'the simplest answer is most often correct,' although this is an oversimplification. The 'correct' interpretation is that entities should not be multiplied needlessly.
Occam's Razor - The Simplest Answer is Usually Correct
https://explorable.com/occams-razor
Quite funny there the definition is almost contradictory  Grin
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July 17, 2018, 04:05:43 PM

Well if peace means surrender, including siding with Putin against the findings of the Republican controlled Senate Intelligence Committee, then yes. After all, there’s nothing wrong with cock sucking. I’m sure many find it quite tasty. I certainly hope my wife does.

Merited.  I think even the GOP is horrified.  In his own party there is speculation as to whether Putin has something on him. In a world of conspiracy stories and 'fake news', where do I file this?

And the EU is now a 'foe' of the United States.  Astounding.  I am sure most of my life I was taught the Americans were allies of Western Europe.  Should I consider going for some weapons training? I mean, a hell of a lot of Americans seem to be visiting places near where I live. There's even a US military base not so far away. 

And that is not ALL sarcasm. It's just you really couldn't make this stuff up.
There is nothing strange about this. Both Trump and Putin are K's, which is why they respect one another. They care about their people, not about the people of other nations.

As for the EU, it is no better than soviet russia and will eventually become just as tyrannical given time. Which is why we need to destroy it before it gets to that point. It is an enemy of the people, for the personal benefit of career politicians. This coming from an actual european, for the record.
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