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There's not much point in putting the trolls on our ignore lists if you keep quoting them.
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Looks like some people in here are getting so bored with a stagnating BTC price that they're turning on each other with the dreaded Ignore Hammer.  Shocked

Here's another in a long line of helpfully speculative articles on the price movements of BTC: https://www.coindesk.com/breakdown-over-bitcoin-indicators-suggest-price-outlook-is-improving/

So everyday the friendly staff over at Coindesk let us know why Bitcoin may or may not move up or down today. Right now, it's really getting to be like the weatherman. "Welp, it looks like today, we're going to be dowsed by buckets and buckets of falling rain, but on the other hand, you never know, some speculative wind may come in and drive those clouds up and away and we could take the Lambo out for a wonderful afternoon drive. Stay tuned tomorrow for some more helpful forecasting from your wonderfully insightful weathermen over here at KBTC."
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@Gyrsur Wow, that's a lot of merit. Thanks buddy. Not sure what I did to earn it but thanks!



Looks like some people in here are getting so bored with a stagnating BTC price that they're turning on each other with the dreaded Ignore Hammer.  Shocked

My ignore list is mostly just ancient long gone trolls from a bygone era. Trolls don't seem to tend to stick around for the long term. I wonder why that is Huh.
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here we go if you want --> [Survey] Who has who on its Ignore List? (Second try)

we should establish an open database where everyone can see who has who on it's ignore list.
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lucky one! it was an accident by me and my browser.  Grin

@Gyrsur Wow, that's a lot of merit. Thanks buddy. Not sure what I did to earn it but thanks!
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I only ignore the insane and the posters who you know what they've written just by glancing at the username.

So that's about 2.3 million people.

The google translate zombies don't even register in my mind any more.
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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7215388/ https://youtu.be/oQGpdgV_ifI
An unsettling and eye-opening Wall Street horror story about Chinese companies, the American stock market, and the opportunistic greed behind the biggest heist you've never heard of.
Lots of parallels to crypto shenanigans

A good doco (well spotted) but you can't help the feeling of deja vu: 

Massive corporate fraud to rip off ordinary people and the ones who make the money don't give a shit and don't even think it's doing anything wrong.

It's just 'normal', nothing changes. Business as usual. No one goes to jail.
Yes depressing stuff, but I think bitcoin will eventually bring about an honest business climate again. Reputation will be everything, and con-men and idiots will have nowhere to go, except prison or the woodchipper.

The system lapped up the ICOs (and why not - free money) but they don't like Bicoin yet.  They will when they can fractionally reserve it.  Look further into ICE / Bakkt, they want to find a way. 

You do good research, V8.  When you get a moment, check this podcast on what ICE 'may' mean - it's worth a listen:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/why-ice-bakkt-news-makes-some-crypto-investors-nervous/id1347049808?i=1000417570519&mt=2

ICE wont be stopped by the SEC, they own the fucking NYSE (and 22 other exchanges). It might not all be good news they are looking to get into Bitcoin. 

And before you say 'Bitcoin can't be in a fractional reserve situation' think again.  Because it actually could. 

Um... Like I'll be accepting an IOU piece of paper to represent bitcoin. It was done on metals but I'm not so sure the people are that gullible for the same trick.  Its interesting to see how ICE wants a piece of the pie. They sure as hell wont send my money to anything crypto related as I found out a couple weeks ago while trying. Ha Bullish!

It already happens, though - when you short (as I am sure people here do on occasion), as you 'borrow' Bitcoin to sell.   The Exchange credits or debits accordingly - but the numbers are in a database, no coins are in your personal wallet under your private key.   It's not a big step for an institution to 'lend' coins it has custody over, or lend them twice and for these coins to have more than one owner.  Some exchanges have done this before and some probably still do.  Not all the people want all their bitcoins back at once, so there are always some spare in the cold wallet.

Yes, you or I will always want to have our coins under our own key.  It has always been essential for us to do so.

But other investors would probably rather not.  Institutions can just 'credit your account' with Bitcoin they do not actually have, as banks do with fiat all the time - thus increasing the supply of Bitcoin out there (on paper).  ICE and Bakkt will be custodians of people's coins (how nice of them) and the ability of them to 'use' the coins to make money by rehypothecating them will be part of their business model.

You may not be gullible, but if others accept paper custodianship, then Bitcoins can be rehypothecated and (more) Bitcoins will be bought and sold that do not exist.  ICE are big enough to do this in a much bigger way and the market for Bitcoin may well become just like all the other markets.

And there will be far, far more bitcoins being traded out there than actually exist.
Surely this is a hypothetically scary scenario and we're all familiar how it happened with fiat but we just witnessed exactly this happen with an exchange last week no?  The losses were passed on to customers as I recall.  Since bitcoin has a degree of transparency in audit, if the people ever get whiff of far, far more fakecoin being traded it would create a run on the exchanges and the shady players would be outed.  I think futures are the first attempt at exploring this scenario.  I say let them try. I believe this will inevitably only reinforce one of the key fundamentals of BTC Its TRUST-LESS!  No doubt there may be many fooled along the way until this is understood.  
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Bitcorn. Looks like she be wantin' ta grow in the right direction again.

https://twitter.com/BigRekts/status/1029748461204393991


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Um... Like I'll be accepting an IOU piece of paper to represent bitcoin. It was done on metals but I'm not so sure the people are that gullible for the same trick.  Its interesting to see how ICE wants a piece of the pie. They sure as hell wont send my money to anything crypto related as I found out a couple weeks ago while trying. Ha Bullish!

It already happens, though - when you short (as I am sure people here do on occasion), as you 'borrow' Bitcoin to sell.   The Exchange credits or debits accordingly - but the numbers are in a database, no coins are in your personal wallet under your private key.   It's not a big step for an institution to 'lend' coins it has custody over, or lend them twice and for these coins to have more than one owner.  Some exchanges have done this before and some probably still do.  Not all the people want all their bitcoins back at once, so there are always some spare in the cold wallet.

Yes, you or I will always want to have our coins under our own key.  It has always been essential for us to do so.

But other investors would probably rather not.  Institutions can just 'credit your account' with Bitcoin they do not actually have, as banks do with fiat all the time - thus increasing the supply of Bitcoin out there (on paper).  ICE and Bakkt will be custodians of people's coins (how nice of them) and the ability of them to 'use' the coins to make money by rehypothecating them will be part of their business model.

You may not be gullible, but if others accept paper custodianship, then Bitcoins can be rehypothecated and (more) Bitcoins will be bought and sold that do not exist.  ICE are big enough to do this in a much bigger way and the market for Bitcoin may well become just like all the other markets.

And there will be far, far more bitcoins being traded out there than actually exist.
Surely this is a hypothetically scary scenario and we're all familiar how it happened with fiat but we just witnessed exactly this happen with an exchange last week no?  The losses were passed on to customers as I recall.  Since bitcoin has a degree of transparency in audit, if the people ever get whiff of far, far more fakecoin being traded it would create a run on the exchanges and the shady players would be outed.  I think futures are the first attempt at exploring this scenario.  I say let them try. I believe this will inevitably only reinforce one of the key fundamentals of BTC Its TRUST-LESS!  No doubt there may be many fooled along the way until this is understood.  

The thing is, they can't print new BTC like they can print new dollars, so this would surely end bad... most likely for the users.
And as I think you said, even if they can borrow non-existing dollars and send you these, the bank will accept them; But a wallet won't accept non-existing BTC.
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Here's my observation on the current price trend of Bitcoin:

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roach & mymenace in their absolute element trolling today. Good thing I took precautions a while back.



 

Surrounded and outnumbered. Smiley


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just lucky to be a hodler with not to much of shitcoins in my bag

life still the same ....-playing poker as today (only very short session by to much  headbanging complaining ......)
                              -still going on many dinner evenings
                              - still saturday evening dinner and BOOZe
                              -^with sunday sober up day , and premier league football and greasy food
                              -still weekly going to the movie's as seeing manie serie's and movie's @ home
                              -still every day (6of 7) work out.....
                              -still reading WO threat
                               -........
                               -........
                               -And so on ......................

All of my routines still the same THATS HOW HODLERS ROLL     keep on hodling keeping the patience keep leading the same hodling life

only when possible buying DIPS and getting that personal BTC nr UP  Grin

Got a room for the next few nights myself. Smiley

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7215388/ https://youtu.be/oQGpdgV_ifI
An unsettling and eye-opening Wall Street horror story about Chinese companies, the American stock market, and the opportunistic greed behind the biggest heist you've never heard of.
Lots of parallels to crypto shenanigans

Yup, that was definitely worth the watch.

Link for you over-extended guys.

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"Handlers?"  Are you on acid?

In other news, John McAfee may be in trouble again!

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A group of researchers claims to have hacked the Bitfi wallet to claim the $100,000 bounty conditions promised under McAfee's challenge.
 https://cointelegraph.us3.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2c088712615955cd2f82aa968&id=12245a19b2&e=7eb2735572
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I'm buying up this dip! BTCBTCBTCBTCBTC


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Here's my observation on the current price trend of Bitcoin:
https://media.giphy.com/media/10aLCFuDxjEAN2/giphy.gif

That's one strange lookin' honey-badger carrying a couple brothers.
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Yawn. Still sideways.

Meanwhile, a new batch of public comments to the SEC have been posted regarding Cboe et al ETF.
https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-cboebzx-2018-040/cboebzx2018040.htm

The Negative Nancies are starting to appear:

Quote from: Kash Ranks
In a world where making a daily living is hard enough, how can you in good conscience, allow a speculative/scam instrument like Bitcoin to exist let alone approve an ETF. Blockchain has its merits but Coins are nothing more than a digital scam which is robbing people of their hard earned money and enabling speculative fervor. You must crack down on this so called 'currency' and make stringent rules on its existence. Thank you for your consideration

Quote from: Peter Quinn
I strongly oppose allowing the listing of the Bitcoin ETF.

Bitcoin is a pure speculation vehicle with no traditional value or commercial/industrial use. It has no fundamentals, is exceptionally volatile and is easily manipulated due to poor market liquidity and no market regulation. A CBOE listed ETF that is proposing to be a passive Bitcoin holding vehicle is nothing more than trying to get a broader pool of investors involved in something that would never be allowed for listing on a regulated stock exchange if it was a company.

This proposal most likely exists at all to draw additional money into the Bitcoin "ecosystem" as it is commonly called, essentially transferring risk from current market participants to newcomers who otherwise would not know how to get involved or would be prohibited by regulation or governance ethics from doing so.

Additionally, much of the purported size of Bitcoin is an illusion, with "market cap" as reported on private websites such as Coinmarketcap.com taking all coins ever in existence multiplied by an average of the last traded price in dollars. Volume is commonly reported as all Bitcoins traded in dollar value even if, as is the case, most of them did not trade against hard currency at all, instead trading against other cryptocurrencies or Tether, a purported 1:1: USD backed cryptocurrency that has been used to artificially pump the price and is more comparable to counterfeit money.

[...snip (he goes on)...]

This anti-ETF guy included supposed manipulation charts:
https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-cboebzx-2018-040/srcboebzx2018040-4190297-172697.pdf

This pro-ETF lady cries foul on SEC claims of price manipulation:
https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-cboebzx-2018-040/srcboebzx2018040-4185567-172649.pdf

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Here's my observation on the current price trend of Bitcoin:



In other words, the next 24 hours are critical?
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Good morning Bitcoinland. Long time no see.

Got flooded last week and I've been busy cleaning up and sorting out the water-damaged from the salvageable. Barely got to take off enough time for a dinner date and concert on Saturday. ZZ Top blew away both 38 Special and the tribute band calling themselves Lynyrd Skynyrd (only 1 original member).

While we've had a few ups and downs over the past week we're still pretty much where we were a week ago... currently $6475USD/$8530CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

Hopefully we're back on the rise again. I wanna see at least 5 digits by the time I have to sell some coin in November to pay for my next round of dental surgery in Mexico.

Go Bitcoin go.

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