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[xhomerx10]

As is, I can just fly over to Japan when shit hits the fan here

Lol.  If you're a random white guy you need to be really naive to think traveling to a highly homogeneous, ethnocentric Asian country is going to somehow be a cure for your problems should the world go south.  In the current day of 2019, you would be far more likely to have both your assets or your life seized as a white guy in China or Japan in a SHTF scenario than an Asian person in America.

I lived in Japan for some years already some time ago. Had no issue connecting with younger Japanese people, mostly gamers. Saw some of them pretty much every day at the arcade, had lunch and dinner with them, traveled with them, etc. Perfectly normal relationships I'd have with people here as well, except that they're into alcohol, while I prefer the herb which is a big no-no in Japan.

China is not Japan though. I'd never set foot in there for anything other than travel.

If you have any better options I'd be willing to hear by the way. I'm not sure what the best destination for a doomsday scenario would be, but so far this seems like the most sensible choice given my individual situation.

All you really need to know is that in the old days, civilizations cropped up exclusively by the sea or other major waterways.  A lot of that is because if the land crops fail or somehow become unavailable, civilization can continue without everyone dying.  Ideally you would want to be as far from major cities as possible and near the water, possibly on an island.  

When the Jews pull their 9/11 demolition of this economic system you're not going to be able to travel anywhere, so you better get there before it happens.  All the ATMs and other crap will probably be frozen, you probably won't be able to even buy gas, and bitcoin will be 100% useless.  It will be strictly physical cash, coins, and physical metals (if the paper cash still has any value).  It's not really possible for the value of many of the coins like nickels and pennies to decrease, though.  It costs like 8 cents to create a nickel and 1.8 cents to create a penny, I think, so all that stuff will still be around.

They would have to destroy the Bitcoin satellites to break that means of exchange. Which is much more difficult to do than disabling bank accounts. I also don't think that any human force in the world, which wouldn't outright wipe out humanity, would be capable of disabling all means of travel, trade etc. There is too much to lose on an individual basis to allow any significant global scale catastrophe. As such, I see any doomsday scenarios as heavily localized with individual countries remaining unfazed.

As far as localizing near water, Japan seems pretty much perfect for that. And since they don't allow Muslims, or any foreigners, to mass-immigrate most of the Western problems don't hold there. One could argue that a mass exodus from the West to Asia could become a problem. But unless they start nuking the country those problems can be solved with money. Or with a hermit lifestyle somewhere in the middle of the nowhere of Japan.

I'm not sure how you don't understand the cities turn into cannibalistic warzones soon as the just in time delivery economy fails.  You also don't seem to understand there are ENORMOUS problems in the oil industry where you will probably see extreme shortages and/or prices in the near future as well.  I think you need $100+ a barrel oil just for exploration to be viable at all.  The industry hasn't even been looking for replacements for the stuff we're using in a LONG TIME.  Much of the problems coming are going to be based in the oil sector.  Probably why Trump is trying to invade Venezeula and steal theirs.

Who cares about oil when you have nuclear power to fuel electric motors? There are solutions to those problems. You just need some space and resources. Things might not be pretty, but Japan still seems like a decent bet if full-blown civil war broke out in the West (which I doubt will happen).

Nuclear power plants can also be made vastly more efficient than they are now. The tech used in current ones is the same that was used to nuke places and people and not optimized for usable energy output.

 The public via its politicians has spoken fairly recently where I live and plans for new nuclear stations were quashed and the refurbishment of existing nuclear stations was curtailed.  Sadly, there is only 1 new build planned between now and 2026 in all of the USA - a country with a population of over 330 million and the second largest consumer of automobiles.  The tech isn't going to improve where demand doesn't exist.

[mindrust]

I am a poor demon, I need a poll for the minibitcoiners:

0.1
0.2
0.3
0.4
0.5

This is a classist thread.

Gosh!!!!!!!!!

With those kinds of levels, you are either going to need a quite longer time-line or a pretty low expectation about what "fuck you" status means.

Which one(s) are you?  

In other words, are you projecting (or hoping for) "fuck you" status in a certain timeline?  10 years?  20 years?

When I see this thread it depresses me,lol

Everybody has:

+1000 merits
+1000 Post
+1000 BTC

I do not know what I do here.

I only got 5btc. Don't count me.  

My Fuck You aim is 20. I won't get there before the next bull run probably.

My guess is i will have 10 by that time.

Probably gonna miss another chance to get rich. 

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I am a poor demon, I need a poll for the minibitcoiners:

0.1
0.2
0.3
0.4
0.5

This is a classist thread.

Gosh!!!!!!!!!

With those kinds of levels, you are either going to need a quite longer time-line or a pretty low expectation about what "fuck you" status means.

Which one(s) are you?  

In other words, are you projecting (or hoping for) "fuck you" status in a certain timeline?  10 years?  20 years?

When I see this thread it depresses me,lol

Everybody has:

+1000 merits
+1000 Post
+1000 BTC

I do not know what I do here.

Not many have over 1000 bitcoin’s, I’d be willing to bet on that. jbreher, Elwar...maybe Bob.
It doesn’t matter how many we all have. 1BTC will probably be enough to buy you a house in most parts of the world 5 years from now.

We all have different life stories, different goals. Just buy & HODL what you can comfortably based on your age/income/bills etc.

Uber early adopters became multi millionaires based on a couple of hundred USD invested in 2011 or something. That could be you in 10 years time.

[JayJuanGee]

@ infofront:

Surely I like the new poll:

>>>>>>How many BTC does it take to be a fuckyoucoiner?
 1
 2-9
 10-19
 20-39
 40-69
 70-99
 100-149
 150-199
 200-499
 500-999
 1000+
<<<<<

I am presuming this to be a question based on current market conditions, and BTC expectations on such current market conditions.. so to be able to say that you are in a kind of "fuck you" status right now.. and based on minimum number of coins to perceive yourself to have sufficiently reached such "fuck you" status.

Since you may have seen some of my posts on that subject, you likely have a decent idea where I fall. Accordingly, I do believe that the ranges at the bottom are too small and the ranges at the top are too large, but I suppose we can see where the respondents fall and I suspect that the results should skew towards the top.... based on what I believe to be the presumptions of the question; however, can already see that the results seem to be more scattered so responders seem to be reaching presumptions different from my own... who would have thunk?   

Yeah it's pretty ambiguous. Maybe a time frame would be helpful, but I figured I'd let everyone keep their own timeframes.

I’m not going to reveal what I voted because it would possibly reveal how many coins I have.

Not to ruin your opsec... so you do not need to admit or deny anything on any personal level; however, my totality of considering you and your posts.  I am going to put you at about 70 coins... which causes you to be close to overlapping two of the poll question categories. 

Not a bad educated guess according available info.

Checking my "opsec" here... How many would you say I do have?

I am NOT sure if I have enough information at the moment, floating around in my head.  But just off the top of my thinking (and without doing any analysis of your post history), I might speculate that you have in the ballpark of 1/3 of LFC's stash.  I admit that I could be quite off, though.   

[bitserve]

@ infofront:

Surely I like the new poll:

>>>>>>How many BTC does it take to be a fuckyoucoiner?
 1
 2-9
 10-19
 20-39
 40-69
 70-99
 100-149
 150-199
 200-499
 500-999
 1000+
<<<<<

I am presuming this to be a question based on current market conditions, and BTC expectations on such current market conditions.. so to be able to say that you are in a kind of "fuck you" status right now.. and based on minimum number of coins to perceive yourself to have sufficiently reached such "fuck you" status.

Since you may have seen some of my posts on that subject, you likely have a decent idea where I fall. Accordingly, I do believe that the ranges at the bottom are too small and the ranges at the top are too large, but I suppose we can see where the respondents fall and I suspect that the results should skew towards the top.... based on what I believe to be the presumptions of the question; however, can already see that the results seem to be more scattered so responders seem to be reaching presumptions different from my own... who would have thunk?    

Yeah it's pretty ambiguous. Maybe a time frame would be helpful, but I figured I'd let everyone keep their own timeframes.

I’m not going to reveal what I voted because it would possibly reveal how many coins I have.

Not to ruin your opsec... so you do not need to admit or deny anything on any personal level; however, my totality of considering you and your posts.  I am going to put you at about 70 coins... which causes you to be close to overlapping two of the poll question categories.  

Not a bad educated guess according available info.

Checking my "opsec" here... How many would you say I do have?

I am NOT sure if I have enough information at the moment, floating around in my head.  But just off the top of my thinking (and without doing any analysis of your post history), I might speculate that you have in the ballpark of 1/3 of LFC's stash.  I admit that I could be quite off, though.  

Not bad

P.S.: Anyway, the only thing I would admit is that I am a double digit hodler and probably will ever be. Still possible to reach some (modest) level of "fuck you money" IF Bitcoin ever reaches $100K, yet I don't count on it.

[JayJuanGee]

I am a poor demon, I need a poll for the minibitcoiners:

0.1
0.2
0.3
0.4
0.5

This is a classist thread.

Gosh!!!!!!!!!

With those kinds of levels, you are either going to need a quite longer time-line or a pretty low expectation about what "fuck you" status means.

Which one(s) are you? 

In other words, are you projecting (or hoping for) "fuck you" status in a certain timeline?  10 years?  20 years?

When I see this thread it depresses me,lol

Everybody has:

+1000 merits
+1000 Post
+1000 BTC

I do not know what I do here.

Hey...   We don't need to compete, do we?  You are almost near 1,000 posts, and 1,000 BTC seems to be a bit of excess anyhow, unless BTC is going to go back to the sub $1k price arena, and merits will come, to the extent that they really matter, if you are merely using this thread (and forum) to attempt to share BTC related ideas.  Anyhow, you surely did divert from any kind of substantive response to my previous questions.   

[DeathAngel]

If bitcoin increase in value over time even to a tiny degree of what it has so far since the first block was mined we’ll all be rich as fuck in a few years so no need for anybody to feel better or worse than anybody else.

Besides it’s like life - There’s always going to be people richer than you but also a hell of a lot poorer than you.

[StartupAnalyst]

A cafe where the r0ach won't even go in. A normal person will give a good tip!
Though of course there is not enough QR code with the address of the wallet there.

[JayJuanGee]

I am a poor demon, I need a poll for the minibitcoiners:

0.1
0.2
0.3
0.4
0.5

This is a classist thread.

Gosh!!!!!!!!!

With those kinds of levels, you are either going to need a quite longer time-line or a pretty low expectation about what "fuck you" status means.

Which one(s) are you?  

In other words, are you projecting (or hoping for) "fuck you" status in a certain timeline?  10 years?  20 years?

When I see this thread it depresses me,lol

Everybody has:

+1000 merits
+1000 Post
+1000 BTC

I do not know what I do here.

I only got 5btc. Don't count me.  

My Fuck You aim is 20. I won't get there before the next bull run probably.

My guess is i will have 10 by that time.

Probably gonna miss another chance to get rich. 

Don't over extend yourself, Mindrust.

We should always keep in mind our own limitations, and also, just investing spare money into BTC is going to put you way in front of many other folks - even if you don't reach what you currently consider to be "fuck you" status. 

Many of us here, also likely realize that in terms of the quantity of BTC to reach Fuck you status is likely to come down in the future.. .(even if it is not currently guaranteed)... Keep plugging away, Keep plugging away, but try to be prudent at the same time and live and appreciate good things in life along the way.  "Fuck you" status is likely NOT an absolute necessity in life in order to feel content and to experience life pleasures.

[VB1001]

I am a poor demon, I need a poll for the minibitcoiners:

0.1
0.2
0.3
0.4
0.5

This is a classist thread.

Gosh!!!!!!!!!

With those kinds of levels, you are either going to need a quite longer time-line or a pretty low expectation about what "fuck you" status means.

Which one(s) are you? 

In other words, are you projecting (or hoping for) "fuck you" status in a certain timeline?  10 years?  20 years?

When I see this thread it depresses me,lol

Everybody has:

+1000 merits
+1000 Post
+1000 BTC

I do not know what I do here.

Hey...   We don't need to compete, do we?  You are almost near 1,000 posts, and 1,000 BTC seems to be a bit of excess anyhow, unless BTC is going to go back to the sub $1k price arena, and merits will come, to the extent that they really matter, if you are merely using this thread (and forum) to attempt to share BTC related ideas.  Anyhow, you surely did divert from any kind of substantive response to my previous questions.   

I'm kidding, I prefer this kind of discussion to the previous 500 years.
And yes, with small amounts I hope to have a little more BTC.
Everyone knows it's a pleasure for me to be in this thread and in BTC.

[bitserve]

@ infofront:

Surely I like the new poll:

>>>>>>How many BTC does it take to be a fuckyoucoiner?
 1
 2-9
 10-19
 20-39
 40-69
 70-99
 100-149
 150-199
 200-499
 500-999
 1000+
<<<<<

I am presuming this to be a question based on current market conditions, and BTC expectations on such current market conditions.. so to be able to say that you are in a kind of "fuck you" status right now.. and based on minimum number of coins to perceive yourself to have sufficiently reached such "fuck you" status.

Since you may have seen some of my posts on that subject, you likely have a decent idea where I fall. Accordingly, I do believe that the ranges at the bottom are too small and the ranges at the top are too large, but I suppose we can see where the respondents fall and I suspect that the results should skew towards the top.... based on what I believe to be the presumptions of the question; however, can already see that the results seem to be more scattered so responders seem to be reaching presumptions different from my own... who would have thunk?   

Yeah it's pretty ambiguous. Maybe a time frame would be helpful, but I figured I'd let everyone keep their own timeframes.

I am a poor demon, I need a poll for the minibitcoiners:

0.1
0.2
0.3
0.4
0.5

This is a classist thread.

haha, don't let JJG depress you

There's very few people here with 1000BTC. Even three digits is pretty unusual.

[Globb0]

I have 10 digits

 

[VB1001]

^
Ok, I also have 10 digits, but in red.

[bitserve]

I have 10 digits

 

DOGE? lol

[erre]

I voted 1 btc in the pool.

It will come the day, when having a full coin will make of you a wealthy gentleman

That is also because I'm a poor "early" adopter, but I want to dream. Funny thing is that I'm not a fiat poor now, but every purchase drastically increase my btc median buy price, so it's particularly painful. But I buyed some around the current price anyway, and I wasn't doing it since 2013, because I believe we are experiencing a multiyear bottom.

The point is: according to my vision, having a full coin will suffice to be a fuckyoucoiner, time limit is my lifespan.

[JSRAW]

I have 10 digits

 

DOGE? lol

In Satoshi may be?

[DeathAngel]

Some good posts in this thread I’d like to Merit but am out of sMerit. Nice words by JJG, erre, LFC & others.
This thread is brilliant, some great camaraderie. WO brothers

[JayJuanGee]

@ infofront:

Surely I like the new poll:

>>>>>>How many BTC does it take to be a fuckyoucoiner?
 1
 2-9
 10-19
 20-39
 40-69
 70-99
 100-149
 150-199
 200-499
 500-999
 1000+
<<<<<

I am presuming this to be a question based on current market conditions, and BTC expectations on such current market conditions.. so to be able to say that you are in a kind of "fuck you" status right now.. and based on minimum number of coins to perceive yourself to have sufficiently reached such "fuck you" status.

Since you may have seen some of my posts on that subject, you likely have a decent idea where I fall. Accordingly, I do believe that the ranges at the bottom are too small and the ranges at the top are too large, but I suppose we can see where the respondents fall and I suspect that the results should skew towards the top.... based on what I believe to be the presumptions of the question; however, can already see that the results seem to be more scattered so responders seem to be reaching presumptions different from my own... who would have thunk?    

Yeah it's pretty ambiguous. Maybe a time frame would be helpful, but I figured I'd let everyone keep their own timeframes.

I am a poor demon, I need a poll for the minibitcoiners:

0.1
0.2
0.3
0.4
0.5

This is a classist thread.

haha, don't let JJG depress you

There's very few people here with 1000BTC. Even three digits is pretty unusual.

Hey.. I was never trying to depress anyone.  I did state what I believed to be "fuck you" parameters in terms of a framework that anyone could attempt to apply to their own situation in order to attempt to figure out at what level they would believe themselves to have reached such status.. I also wanted to paint "fuck you" status in terms of passive income from an asset, but there are other ways to consider "fuck you" status, too. 

Of course, if anyone wanted to use BTC for either achieving that status or supplementing their assets to achieve such status, then it does not need to ONLY be BTC, either.

The subject of "fuck You" status might be a bit depressing in itself, but it has been an ongoing subject of this thread, even if the subject has been called different things... like "when lambo" and "when moon" etc..etc..

[bitserve]

I have 10 digits

 

DOGE? lol

In Satoshi may be?

in his hands!

[infofront]