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[d_eddie]

5k breached.

I'd hoped the pullback would come a little later, I mean after flirting with the 6k, but all in all it's still more or less as expected.

[HairyMaclairy]

Your taxes helped poor people and an overwhelming amount of illegal aliens get basic healthcare!?

FTFY. Would rather have put ACA money into building the wall, to mitigate the arguable open border and flood of illegal immigration we are dealing with.

Also, I draw the line at my tax dollars being used for third trimester abortions, in the name of "basic healthcare".

Hi Bob

Many of the illegal immigrants are primarily entering the US for jobs.   If you turn off the jobs tap, then many will not come. It will be very effective immigration control.

Do you support making it illegal to employ illegal immigrants, with jail time for US employers who violate the law?

[lightfoot]

mother  fucker

goddamnit

Looks like they kicked him out. Poor Julian, he knows too much. I'd give 50/50 odds that he is either quietly liquidated or made the head of the Department of Homeland security.

[jojo69]

While I certainly share Bob's frustration with the US tax system, on immigration I think we have to be honest with ourselves and acknowledge our part in it.

US foreign policy has had a lot to do with the economic and political conditions people are fleeing in Central America.  We made this bed, or at least allowed it to be made in our name.

[HairyMaclairy]

Do you want a monthly statistic in WO?

Hi I like this.  But it would be great to take it back as far as possible, so we can compare price growth and post count and see if a possible leading indicator. 

[HairyMaclairy]

Many of the illegal immigrants are primarily entering the US for jobs.   If you turn off the jobs tap, then many will not come. It will be very effective immigration control.

That's nice. Get in line with all the other law-abiding folk looking to do the same.

Do you support making it illegal to employ illegal immigrants, with jail time for US employers who violate the law?

Absolutely.

Ok.  And you would be ok with this despite the impact on the economy - particularly agriculture and construction? Many farmers and building companies would be wiped out because they cannot survive without cheap labor.  I have also worked on quarter horse ranches in the US and I know how much the horse industry depends on migrant labor.

Like Brexit, effective US immigration controls could cause a recession. You are cool with all this?

[bitcoinPsycho]

Cheap labor is slave labor

[jojo69]

Everything else is irrelevant.

I don't really think that is so.

And yes, I do support the wall.

[Searing]

Your taxes helped poor people and an overwhelming amount of illegal aliens get basic healthcare!?

FTFY. Would rather have put ACA money into building the wall, to mitigate the arguable open border and flood of illegal immigration we are dealing with.

Also, I draw the line at my tax dollars being used for third trimester abortions, in the name of "basic healthcare".

Hi Bob

Many of the illegal immigrants are primarily entering the US for jobs.   If you turn off the jobs tap, then many will not come. It will be very effective immigration control.

Do you support making it illegal to employ illegal immigrants, with jail time for US employers who violate the law?

Not true in the last couple of years....lots of women with kids and families....the countries they are running from are a cesspool...even being stranded in Mexico
and never making it to the USA is preferable for most...

but the law says in the USA if you present yourself to Immigration authorities and can prove you are in danger...you can get a  hearing on staying in the USA...so

IMHO it is not the people coming ..it is the lack of diplomatic and other efforts in the countries they are coming from that are unraveling...

only going to get worse with climate change and the wars for resources I see coming in the next 20 years....

[El duderino_]

Many farmers and building companies would be wiped out because they cannot survive without cheap labor.

Capitalism always finds a way.

McDonalds employees started to demand $15 an hour, and were replaced by robots.

Good I stoped @ 14.99 and didn't demand more

[HairyMaclairy]

I want to be quite clear here.  

Would you both support effective US immigration controls even if it causes a recession and wipes out many family businesses?

Edit:  they shut down illegal immigration in Australia (mostly Pacific Islands) and the farmers rioted because they had no one to pick the harvest.  It will be a hell of a fight in the US as well if immigration is turned off. 

[HairyMaclairy]

Ok thanks.  I just wanted to test that.

In my experience, conservatives like to make a fuss about immigration but aren’t willing to deal with the economic consequences of turning off immigration.  So they deliberately avoid taking effective measures to stop immigration.  

I can respect your clear and consistent thinking on this point, so appreciate your responses.

[VB1001]

Do you want a monthly statistic in WO?

Hi I like this.  But it would be great to take it back as far as possible, so we can compare price growth and post count and see if a possible leading indicator. 

If this is the objective, an quote of the historical and an quote of the current year, published on the 1st of each month.

First I want to know if this information is interesting in the WO thread.

Thx.

[bitserve]

Cheap labor is slave labor

That's an exageration... and you know it.

[Torque]

I want to be quite clear here.  

Would you both support effective US immigration controls even if it causes a recession and wipes out many family businesses?

Edit:  they shut down illegal immigration in Australia (mostly Pacific Islands) and the farmers rioted because they had no one to pick the harvest.  It will be a hell of a fight in the US as well if immigration is turned off.  

Justifying people living in a country illegally, sidestepping all the immigration laws, dodging taxes, and gaining all the benefits of a U.S. citizen therein because "cheap labor" and "other reasons" isn't really a valid argument. It's cognitive dissonance. It's also bullshit.

Also, so legal citizens in the U.S. now too privileged and snobby for manual labor? Bloodly hell, American was founded on that shit.

[Febo]

Why are countries currently holding Bitcoin? Are they confiscated Bitcoins or what?
Even Israel has a bunch...

Yes of course. Trials last for years and in that time they are not allowed to sell them and in that time a million USD become multi millions.

There were recently also rumors that Russia is buying Bitcoin.

[HairyMaclairy]

Cheap labor is slave labor

That's an exageration... and you know it.

Slave labor in the USA:  https://www.triplepundit.com/story/2017/forced-labor-more-common-us-you-might-think/56461

[HairyMaclairy]

I want to be quite clear here.  

Would you both support effective US immigration controls even if it causes a recession and wipes out many family businesses?

Edit:  they shut down illegal immigration in Australia (mostly Pacific Islands) and the farmers rioted because they had no one to pick the harvest.  It will be a hell of a fight in the US as well if immigration is turned off.  

Justifying people living in a country illegally, sidestepping all the immigration laws, dodging taxes, and gaining all the benefits of a U.S. citizen therein because "cheap labor" and "other reasons" isn't really a valid argument. It's cognitive dissonance. It's also bullshit.

Also, so legal citizens in the U.S. now too privileged and snobby for manual labor? Bloodly hell, American was founded on that shit.

I am not supporting illegal migration.  I am simply stating that much of the US economy runs on illegal migrant labor.  This is a fact.  If you suddenly stop migrant labor and remove all the migrants, you are going to fuck up your economy while you restructure to higher wages due to decreased labor supply.  It’s Economics 101.

And no, American teenagers do not want to pick bell peppers out of the dirt in the blazing sun for $2 per hour. Edit: I don’t want to do it either.

[siggy_77]

Would you both support effective US immigration controls even if it causes a recession and wipes out many family businesses?

In the interests of National Security, yes.

the farmers rioted because they had no one to pick the harvest.

Meanwhile, in Mugabe's Africa...

Apparently I'm taking a day off from my no-politics on forums rule...

I'm totally with BobLawBlaw on this one...  

 

[Torque]

I am not supporting illegal migration.  I am simply stating that much of the US economy runs on illegal migrant labor.  This is a fact.  

A fact that needs to change. Even it crashes the local economy. America will adapt, always has, always will.

And no, American teenagers do not want to pick bell peppers out of the dirt in the blazing sun for $2 per hour.  

And that's their whole fucking problem, isn't it? Coddled, spoiled, privileged, sitting on their fat asses drinking their $4 lattes and eating $7 avocado toast and $9 millionaire's bacon. All the while crying about illegals taking their jobs.

But no worries, when the world economy goes to shit... they'll learn... by picking free grown bell peppers in the blazing sun out of their back yards just to eat.