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April 15, 2019, 03:03:06 PM

they linked his Facebook with a post discussing about how he was for a moment truly free.

can't be having that
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April 15, 2019, 03:04:33 PM

From his website:

https://ocean.builders/official-statement-about-the-sinking-of-the-first-seastead/

Official Statement about the sinking of the first seastead

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Official Statement about the sinking of the first seastead
April 15, 2019by Media Relations

We at Ocean Builders would first like to thank all of the people who have sent their support and help. We do appreciate it.

It has been reported that the first seastead, XLII, has been or is in the process of being demolished by the Thai navy. It is also being reported that our first residents, Chad Elwartowski and Nadia Summergirl are being held responsible for building the seastead and putting it in its current location.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Chad and Nadia were volunteers excited about the prospect of living free. They took pictures and videos of the whole process and posted it on social media. They spent a few weeks on the seastead and documented their adventure.
They were in no way involved in the design,

construction, decision on where it was locatd or any funding for the construction of the seastead. If you read the Reason article that describes the seastead accurately writes the facts:
” The team surrounding the project were early adopters of bitcoin, and with wealth acquired that way it has spent around $150,000 on the project “
Other news articles took this to mean that Chad Elwartowski funded the project because he was also an early adopter of bitcoin. Chad did not spend any of his own money on the project other than perhaps some sheets for the bed and he brought all of his own dishware when he moved in.

Chad and Nadia are safe for now but understand that Thailand is currently being run by a military dictator. There will be no trial if they are caught. They already demonstrated that by being judge jury and executioner of the historic very first seastead.


The reason Thailand was chosen was due to the large amount of tourism, its relatively calm seas and also because all of those involved love the Thai people and their culture.

It is claimed by the Thai navy through their media mouth pieces that the seastead is in a shipping lane. This makes it sound like there is heavy cargo traffic coming to Phuket. If anyone knows Phuket, they have one cargo port that gets maybe one or two cargo ships a week. They also admit that the seastead is in international waters, at least 12 nautical miles from land. This would infer that they are 12 nautical miles from land on either side of the seastead which would put the shipping lane at at least 24 nautical miles. The seastead is 6 meters wide. It has a very bright anchor beacon and has a registered AIS beacon which can be detected by any boat with any sort of navigation in the vicinity.

The area is a heavy fishing area with many many fishing boats trawling the water there daily. The fishing boat captains used to wave at Nadia and Chad as they passed by. They were in no way bothered by the floating home. The seastead takes up less space in the shipping lane than a fishing boat.

Needless to say. This event has doubled down our efforts and we can all clearly see that seasteading needs to happen now as tyranny creeps ever more deeply into our governments to the point that they are willing to hunt down a couple of residents residing in a floating house in middle of nowhere.

We hope this issue can be resolved diplomatically with the Thai government and are ready to talk to anyone in charge at any time. We have tried several times to talk to anyone but were always told that we have nothing to worry about because we are legally in international waters.

The April 15th sale of seasteads is to be postponed until we can get everything straightened out and figure out the best path forward for everyone.


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April 15, 2019, 03:05:31 PM

^
Well, I read a lot about Hal Finney and I do not remember seeing him before.
In any case, it seems very good, we do not know what awaits us from science in the future.
One day he will come back from the dead and sign the message just to bring clarity for posteriority. Of course it won't matter to Bitcoin itself at that point, but it will be nice to know regardless. And then we'll have Satoshi vs CSW movies.
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April 15, 2019, 03:05:50 PM

Binance has now delisted BSV... officially! Let's see how far the decline goes...  Grin

Good!
Hopefully CW ends up selling his ass for 60 bucks a night in a cheap Motel to put food in his lying, arrogant gut.

I can’t wait to see the down fall of that oxygen thief.

Man.. that raggedy old thing couldn't be worth $60 could it?  Bob?  Someone who would have an opinion?
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April 15, 2019, 03:08:53 PM

From his website:
That's pretty sad, but almost to be expected. Governments don't care about the law, they just dictate it in ways as roundabout as necessary to get what they want.
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April 15, 2019, 03:09:11 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26LDWnM7qe4

6:55

Craig claims that Bitcoin was not created to fix "the system", while Satoshi created Bitcoin as a reaction to the 2008 financial crisis.

His quote: "That's [debt and the debt crisis] not what Bitcoin helps with."

Every other time he opens his mouth he directly contradicts Satoshi.

What he has been doing has been obvious to me (I think) and this supports it.  He has been trying to romance the state.  He has been trying to make "bitcoin" something that the state and the CBs could embrace.

He is a fool.
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April 15, 2019, 03:09:54 PM

Neither Nadia nor I are suicidal. We would never in our wildest dreams commit suicide.

fuck me

he is worried they are going to assassinate him
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April 15, 2019, 03:10:13 PM

Binance has now delisted BSV... officially! Let's see how far the decline goes...  Grin

Good!
Hopefully CW ends up selling his ass for 60 bucks a night in a cheap Motel to put food in his lying, arrogant gut.

I can’t wait to see the down fall of that oxygen thief.

Man.. that raggedy old thing couldn't be worth $60 could it?  Bob?  Someone who would have an opinion?
Would you not pay $60 to club his ass with a mace? I'd pay 60 BSV.
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April 15, 2019, 03:11:21 PM

^
Well, I read a lot about Hal Finney and I do not remember seeing him before.
In any case, it seems very good, we do not know what awaits us from science in the future.
One day he will come back from the dead and sign the message just to bring clarity for posteriority. Of course it won't matter to Bitcoin itself at that point, but it will be nice to know regardless. And then we'll have Satoshi vs CSW movies.

We have to start a cryogenization business, it's the future. Cool
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April 15, 2019, 03:13:17 PM

Neither Nadia nor I are suicidal. We would never in our wildest dreams commit suicide.

fuck me

he is worried they are going to assassinate him

I think he will be fine... but I certainly understand the fear.
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April 15, 2019, 03:13:27 PM

This is less than an hour old.

 Statement from Chad Elwartowski:

PLEASE SHARE THIS POST OUR LIVES DEPEND ON IT

This is ridiculous. We lived on a floating house boat for a few weeks and now Thailand wants us killed.

We had to go underground because our contact warned us before this came out. Now we found out they are using a US submarine to hunt us. I'll say it right here.

Nadia and I did not design, construct or pay to have the seastead constructed. We promoted it and lived on it. We helped out by giving the builder updates and we participated in the launch. We did not decide where to put the seastead. We are enthusiastic supporters of the project who were lucky enough to be the first ones to stay on it.

Hunting us down to our death is just plain stupid and highlights exactly the reason someone would be willing to go out in middle of the ocean to get away from governments.

We never had any ill intentions and I even state plainly several times that I would not want to be a citizen of any seastead nation that would have me. We were hoping to bring tourism to Phuket with an underwater restaurant, floating hotels and medical research, tech jobs, etc. We had 3 wealthy entrepreneurs in the past week tell us they were coming to live in Phuket because they were excited about the project. We love Thailand. Nadia is a proud Thai. She is a proud Buddhist who does not support violence. I am a pacifist who would not harm a fly.

What we need:

Lawyers or anyone high up in the administration in Thailand to talk some sense into your military leaders.

Someone high up in the US that can help. I need to be able to go to the US embassy in Bangkok or some place near Phuket to get me out of the country. I need ideas for helping Nadia, a Thai citizen. She needs an embassy in Bangkok where she can seek asylum.

Nadia is just my girlfriend. She played no role in planning anything with the seastead. She just took video and stayed on the seastead with me. E-mail me at elwartowski@protonmail . com if you can help (not just suggestions...serious help).

Neither Nadia nor I are suicidal. We would never in our wildest dreams commit suicide. I want to live to the ripe age of at least 200. I love life. We love life together. We just wanted to be free. If just for one day.
Going to break etiquette and essentially bump my own post to the newest page.

Elwar is one of our own and I want to make sure people see his post and help if they can or at the very least know that he is for the moment being safe.
Screw etiquette, I almost missed this post.
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April 15, 2019, 03:14:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26LDWnM7qe4

6:55

Craig claims that Bitcoin was not created to fix "the system", while Satoshi created Bitcoin as a reaction to the 2008 financial crisis.

His quote: "That's [debt and the debt crisis] not what Bitcoin helps with."

Every other time he opens his mouth he directly contradicts Satoshi.

What he has been doing has been obvious to me (I think) and this supports it.  He has been trying to romance the state.  He has been trying to make "bitcoin" something that the state and the CBs could embrace.

He is a fool.
It's not just obvious, they actually stated precisely that in one of their Coingeek conferences.


^
Well, I read a lot about Hal Finney and I do not remember seeing him before.
In any case, it seems very good, we do not know what awaits us from science in the future.
One day he will come back from the dead and sign the message just to bring clarity for posteriority. Of course it won't matter to Bitcoin itself at that point, but it will be nice to know regardless. And then we'll have Satoshi vs CSW movies.

We have to start a cryogenization business, it's the future. Cool
I'll leave that to the smart people already working on it. A few years down the road I might throw some money at the problem after talking to proponents and critics of the matter in great length. But for now my main occupation is multiplying my Bitcoin stash. The more I can get now the more I can throw at moonshots like those.

I hope other Bitcoin OGs will be funding all sorts of insane ventures as well once we close in on 7 digits. We need more people like Musk in the world.
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April 15, 2019, 03:14:36 PM

Binance has now delisted BSV... officially! Let's see how far the decline goes...  Grin

Good!
Hopefully CW ends up selling his ass for 60 bucks a night in a cheap Motel to put food in his lying, arrogant gut.

I can’t wait to see the down fall of that oxygen thief.

Man.. that raggedy old thing couldn't be worth $60 could it?  Bob?  Someone who would have an opinion?

I would say ask JJG but it’s not Thursday yet Wink
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I would say ask JJG but it’s not Thursday yet Wink

I think it's superb myself. Craig Wright the well known liar paid for my 4K TV and a trip to the IoM TT this year. Guess I'd better spunk the rest.
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I would say ask JJG but it’s not Thursday yet Wink

I think it's superb myself. Craig Wright the well known liar paid for my 4K TV and a trip to the IoM TT this year. Guess I'd better spunk the rest.

I didn’t get any SV. I spunked all my BCH & lived like a King for about 12 months. Had to reign it in now though sadly, no more free money Cheesy
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April 15, 2019, 03:23:19 PM

I gotta say... this would be an unbiased poll.  Not here... not Twitter.  Shows the "support" for CSW and BSV clearly.

This is the button right after the "We are delisting' article on the Binance site:


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probably everyone will know this ...

And the explaining why you should change the pick...

But still like the reasoning of it Smiley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem
The real answer is a triple rail drift.

Edit:
But still like the reasoning of it Smiley

What if I'm looking to eliminate the maximum amount of people, because this planet is being raped of its resources ? Are you saying I should keep my original position, and not flip the switch ? Or should I flip the switch, which will lead to my goal of eliminating the most number of people Huh

Edit: RE: Poll, I blew the last one voting for $4,200, but was happy to be wrong with having us blast to $5k. Voted "No" in the current poll. Feel it is likely we won't ever see it dropping below $3k. Touching the $3k's ? Maybe, but gut bacteria says the $3,000's are behind us.
Resources are energy and energy is unlimited. We just need to stop being such fucking retards and git gud.


Edit2:
I saw a video where the father recreated the problem with toys for his son. The kid only hesitated for a second, then moved one little guy next to other five, and rammed the toy train over all six. Makes sense. Smiley
I need that video.
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Not sure this argument has the same validity as of 53 minutes ago.

I am not here to defend CZ, and I do not use Binance.  But I would expect many here would cheer him on for being the one large (semi reputable) site that actually does not lick the boots of the state.

That said business is business.  And who is he to judge what "coin" someone wants to buy.  And delisting a coin will have political repercussions including threatening letters signed by 5 year old with crayon possibly.

But he made a fairly swift decision IMHO.
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April 15, 2019, 03:42:50 PM

Satoshi clearly knew and understood that because Bitcoin is open source and anyone can clone or fork Bitcoin, and anyone can create unlimited number of new coins at will, then the dominance of one form of digital open source money/Gold 2.0 would be decided in the court of public opinion. Not through censorship of Bitcoin's competitors.

So it all comes down to belief/popularity contest of what form of open source digital money should be dominant, with participants basing reason to purchase and use based on sum total of philosophy/moral/ethical/guiding principles, intent of dev team, attributes (security, decentralization, etc., etc.), and growth through usage (via popularity with exchanges, brokers, users, merchants, investors, etc).

And yes BSV is a scam and Craig Wright is a fraud. But that is for the public to decide.
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