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Question: How far will this leg take us?
$110K - 9 (8.3%)
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$150K - 19 (17.6%)
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$170K+ - 33 (30.6%)
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February 12, 2020, 09:53:42 PM

Boats are really a hole in the water. Go for it if you really love fishing. I always buy a used car let someone else take the depreciation hit.
There are worse things than boats. Think "private airplane". I so want one, but such a bad idea.

Same for used cars. Never owned a new one.

Good point. I don't fly but if I was a private pilot I could see trying to swing a small private prop plane for fun. I have owned boats and never again ... I am not an avid fisherman. I have friends who live for fishing, like tarpon tournaments, it is their passion and they sink a lot of money into their hobby. Their wives feel it keeps them out of trouble, so to speak.

I can take or leave fishing. When I do fish, I like to use someone else's boat and I always chip in for the diesel. Guys who are into trophy fishing almost never use gas engines, they prefer diesel for long life and reliability in my experience. These are the guys with forty foot boats with inboard engines, not your weekend fisherman who tows a boat.

My neighbor told me the 2nd happiest day of his life was the day he bought his boat.
His happiest day was the day he sold it....

That's exactly what I wanted to write. There are two happy days in boat owners, the day they buy and the day they sell!

IMHO, when it comes to boats and planes, you need to really be RICH to afford them. It's not the cost of buying, but of maintaining. For a $1M boat or plane, I'd say (really wild guess) you need about the same amount of yearly steady income, plus several $M of savings to be able to enjoy it.

A Tesla will do for me.
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February 12, 2020, 09:53:58 PM

I’ll just take a standard Range Rover or something & a huge house Smiley

I would suggest either a truck or an SUV like a Jeep. Something that can run over the nocoiners. Lambos (and most other lowered sports cars) are bad if they don't have any roads or any speed bumps in the way are difficult to avoid.


... i agree, when the corona apocalypse hits you'll need something bigger than a landrover to run over nocoiners

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February 12, 2020, 10:04:28 PM

Bearish RSI swing rejection on the 12H for Bitcoin and RSI bearish divergence for ETH. Are we going dump? I think we are about to dump down to 9ks.
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February 12, 2020, 10:16:32 PM

.... and in the planes department these depreciate 'slowish'. But you need to be a proper pilot ... swings 'n roundabouts.
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February 12, 2020, 10:27:30 PM

Bearish RSI swing rejection on the 12H for Bitcoin and RSI bearish divergence for ETH. Are we going dump? I think we are about to dump down to 9ks.

Perhaps you’re right on the short term but longer term I see this spiking to about $20-24k after we will get a larger ‘correction’ dump.

Don’t sell too early.
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February 12, 2020, 10:29:12 PM

Bearish RSI swing rejection on the 12H for Bitcoin and RSI bearish divergence for ETH. Are we going dump? I think we are about to dump down to 9ks.

Honestly, i think BTC will do better than Ether. SOMA
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February 12, 2020, 10:29:32 PM

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The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network works to prevent money laundering, terrorist financing and other financial crimes.
(Updates with Financial Crimes Enforcement Network explanation in fourth paragraph.)
If they try to make bitcoin useless for those things, does that make the value zero (so no taxes) in those situations?
Or are they promoting bitcoin for those use-cases as a valuable payment system, so it can be taxed accordingly? confused now.
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February 12, 2020, 10:31:11 PM


I was searching for stuff to support my post above sayin how lambo is a bad idea, wrote a lot about it then...

Just when I started talking of cars, I'll post 3 of my favorite cars:


Tier 3
(monster tier)
Over a lambo anyday.


Not much to say. This thing shits on lambo on any day of the week. If I ever reach the lambo levels networth, this is my lambo of choice.


What's that? Some sort of SLR? (Yeah I guess so, it looks so "different" in black...)

My "lambo" would probably be the SLR McLaren Bravus:



And no, no matter how high Bitcoin goes or how rich I ever become. I will NEVER have it. Probably I don't even *really* want it. It's so beautiful though...
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February 12, 2020, 10:48:41 PM
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What's with the Mercs?  I have always fancied a little second hand runabout like this...

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I was searching for stuff to support my post above sayin how lambo is a bad idea, wrote a lot about it then...

Just when I started talking of cars, I'll post 3 of my favorite cars:


Tier 3
(monster tier)
Over a lambo anyday.


Not much to say. This thing shits on lambo on any day of the week. If I ever reach the lambo levels networth, this is my lambo of choice.


What's that? Some sort of SLR? (Yeah I guess so, it looks so "different" in black...)

My "lambo" would probably be the SLR McLaren Bravus:



And no, no matter how high Bitcoin goes or how rich I ever become. I will NEVER have it. Probably I don't even *really* want it. It's so beautiful though...

They will probably start banning petrol cars within 12 years, so your SLR McLaren Bravus wouldn't be much use in the long term.
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February 12, 2020, 10:55:17 PM

Ten four good buddies!

i see a slightly rise of the price. could be the bulls are waiting for some sign to start the attack on the AYH.

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February 12, 2020, 11:02:59 PM

oh oh ten four. got it
ten four ha ha
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February 12, 2020, 11:34:26 PM

Bearish RSI swing rejection on the 12H for Bitcoin and RSI bearish divergence for ETH. Are we going dump? I think we are about to dump down to 9ks.

Perhaps you’re right on the short term but longer term I see this spiking to about $20-24k after we will get a larger ‘correction’ dump.

Don’t sell too early.
Oh yes I definitely agree. I am just saying, now looks like the optimal time to close those longs. I am shorting to around 9000-9100 and then longing to Ireallycan'timagine.
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February 13, 2020, 12:07:07 AM
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Shorting bull markets pays poorly. 
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February 13, 2020, 12:07:53 AM

That's why I am not going to buy a lambo. Although theoretically I already can buy one almost new 8K km 2019 huracan right now.  Grin I prefer a beach villa for this price.



I did not know that you were a lil fattie, ivomm.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Yeah in all seriousness I won’t be buying Lambo’s. Imagine how much a car like that depreciates in value over 2-3 years. Yes I know our bitcoin’s will be worth more (presumably) as time goes on but money is money. I don’t like losing money!

I’ll just take a standard Range Rover or something & a huge house Smiley

Seems to me, LFC, that if you play things well, you have enough bitcoin that you might surpass regular richie status and advance into filthy richie status, as long as you do not sell too many of your fiends too soon....

Accordingly, once into "flilthy richie" status, the depreciation factor would no longer be a matter to weigh, and the only things that would be weighed would be: "is it fun" and/or "does it add to status".
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February 13, 2020, 12:16:24 AM
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More from the FED, J. Powell clarifies the way forward with more QE. Meanwhile, repo market bailouts are still 'not QE'.  Roll Eyes
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/powell-says-fed-will-aggressively-use-qe-to-fight-next-recession-2020-02-12

Despite Trumps claims that jobs are booming in the USA, Job openings declining fastest since the 2008 crisis.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-openings-decline-at-fastest-pace-since-2009-morning-brief-110424198.html

Also, USA credit card debt hits an all time record high
https://www.pymnts.com/debt/2020/us-credit-card-debt-hits-all-time-high-of-930b-delinquencies-rise/

USA household debt also at ATH
https://currentaffairsonline.co.uk/2020/02/12/household-debt-hits-record-high-of-14-1-trillion/

On a positive note (sarc), the economy will not feel a recession this summer and consumer lifestyles will remain priority. Yeah, lets refinance the house and go shopping with the credit card!  Roll Eyes
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February 13, 2020, 12:34:28 AM

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/12/cdc-prepares-for-coronavirus-to-take-a-foothold-in-the-us.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar


Top CDC official says US should prepare for coronavirus ‘to take a foothold’


Fed gonna want to print a lot more money.


Buy Bitcoin and defund the govy boyz who wrongly try to use money printing as a panacea.
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February 13, 2020, 12:36:09 AM

Shorting bull markets pays poorly.  

Lol yeah it does. But shorting the top of a pump still pays as long as you don't get too greedy. No way the RSI is going to stay at that overbought level for long. I am amazed it stayed this long.
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February 13, 2020, 12:43:56 AM

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/12/cdc-prepares-for-coronavirus-to-take-a-foothold-in-the-us.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar
Top CDC official says US should prepare for coronavirus ‘to take a foothold’

Coronavirus Cases:
60,161

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Coronavirus live updates: China’s Hubei reports 14,840 new cases, 242 additional deaths
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/13/coronavirus-latest-updates-china-hubei.html




Oh shit...
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I don't think it is a good idea to spend your money on luxury stuff before you think a way to make passive income first. $1m is only good for a house, starting a business and a cheap car. $2m is not really much different than having $1m. Maybe a slightly bigger house, still not a too expensive car but a better business and more chances to fail and retry.

Personally, I like to consider $2million to be pretty damned close to twice as much as $1million, and really, if we are considering how much money we need to survive or to say fuck you, there can be a pretty BIG ass difference between $2million and $1million.

Of course, our simple traditional formula allows for some presumptions that any principle amount should allow you to approximate getting a 4% per year return on such amount, so $1 million should be able to generate you with $3,333 per month in passive income and $2million is going to generate you about $6,667 in passive income per month.

I think that there is a pretty BIG difference between the two, and sure you can get by with $3,333 per month, especially since it is passive income, but $6,667 is going to feel a whole hell of a lot better and even allow you to buy much nicer things for yourself, especially if you delay in gratifications.

I think that another factor  that any of us has to be considering whenever we are trying to figure out whether we have enough value to live off of the passive income without depleting our principle is the value of our assets at the low of the market (we should not be measuring the value of our assets from peaks or from some kind of average or any of that bullshit... we need to focus largely on the most likely worser scenarios of the lows).

If we are measuring bitcoin by itself and without any other assets, then we are engaging in additional risk that seems to be focused too much on one asset, but for the sake of argument, if we are focusing only on the value of bitcoin and its worser case scenario as a low, I believe that currently we could approximately calculate $5k to be our worser case low.

Yeah, I might be wrong by a bit, and nothing is 100% sure, but $5k, as our current worser case scenario low seems relatively safe. 

So, if $5k is our low, then we would need to have at least 200BTC to be comfortable with a goal of a $1million dollar holdings or 400BTC with a goal of a minimum of $2million.

Of course, with the passage of time, we are likely going to be able to move up our "worser case scenario" perspective, and therefore we won't need as many bitcoin in order to feel comfortable transitioning into purely living off of the passive income depending on our targeted amount that we believe is minimally enough to live comfortably and within our expected standards.

If you have assets other than bitcoin, then your calculations are going to come out a bit different in terms of the total size that is necessary for your bitcoin holdings, but in any case I believe that 4% does remain a pretty safe amount as long as you are calculating with the worser case scenarios in mind.



You get the idea.

I'd never spend my hard earned cash on these too luxury stuff unless I got them nearly for free. The money you get by hodling bitcoin is not free money. You are getting paid for the risk you took.

Exactly!!!!!!  Takes a long fucking time to build up assets to a level in which you feel that it is sufficient to transition into fuck you status... which may or may not include the consumption of luxury items.
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