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May 10, 2020, 09:22:08 AM |
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I said healthy people who die, take a long time to die. It takes them 45 - 60 days to drown in their own lung fluid as they fight every step of the way. Outbreak on Diamond Princess ship occurred 3 months ago. Yet no significant increase in the last month or so, right? I know you will say that the passengers were probably old and fat. And I will say the crew members were probably NOT old and fat. Was testing of all passengers and crew done on the Diamond Princess? If we don’t know the denominator, then the Case Fatality Rate is just guesswork. The only data I can find is 712 cases and 13 deaths giving a CFR of 1.8% They say "over 3000 tests" on the ship by the end of February. I assume they eventually tested everybody before letting them out: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00885-wJapanese officials performed more than 3,000 tests on the Diamond Princess, starting with older passengers and those with symptoms. Some passengers were tested more than once, offering insight into the virus’s spread over time. Testing almost all of the passengers and crew helped researchers to understand a key blind spot in many infectious-disease outbreaks — how many people are actually infected, including those who have mild symptoms or none at all. These cases often go undetected in the general population. |
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Globb0
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May 10, 2020, 09:26:02 AM |
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and there are some very poor countries that could be a tinder box if they had a single case. |
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HairyMaclairy
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May 10, 2020, 09:26:28 AM |
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They can go in supervised quarantine for two weeks or they can GTFO.
Imagine a truck driver or seaman transporting goods getting quarantined for 14 days. That wont work for long because all workers would be quarantined. Goods wont move from themself thus an automatic quarantintine for everyone will likely not work.  |
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May 10, 2020, 09:28:53 AM |
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On a boat like that the journey could be the quarantine time
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criptix
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May 10, 2020, 09:29:55 AM |
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They can go in supervised quarantine for two weeks or they can GTFO.
Imagine a truck driver or seaman transporting goods getting quarantined for 14 days. That wont work for long because all workers would be quarantined. Goods wont move from themself thus an automatic quarantintine for everyone will likely not work. And all this machines and ships are operated by humans Like trucks, trains and airplanes. |
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HairyMaclairy
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May 10, 2020, 09:32:05 AM |
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Port staff don’t need to come within 20 meters of ship crew to unload a boat. Air crew never touch their cargo. It’s loaded by airport ground staff at one end and unloaded by airport ground staff at the other end.
You need pilots to board a ship to get the ship into harbour, but you could just use proper PPE and isolate the ship pilots.
I’m not making this shit up, it’s official Australian government policy.
The bigger risk is we are not on top of the virus and get a second wave due to asymptomatic community transmission.
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El duderino_
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Hey moron, if you could read you could tell that was 2 months ago, long closed those, my shorts started at 10010 2 days ago
Throughout all these years I've seen hundreds like you on this thread trying to make money shorting bitcoin. Sooner than later they lose all their money and never come back.You're just the next loser! Couldn’t be said better .... exactly what happens to all the traders and certainly shorters In my RL some guys also just seen the recently swings 400 up 400 down few days in a row... thinking its an easy game and earning some money every day ... lol .... everyone end up f*** up |
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criptix
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May 10, 2020, 09:43:01 AM |
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Port staff don’t need to come within 20 meters of ship crew to unload a boat. Air crew never touch their cargo. It’s loaded by airport ground staff at one end and unloaded by airport ground staff at the other end.
You need pilots to board a ship to get the ship into harbour, but you could just use proper PPE and isolate the ship pilots.
This measures arent quarantines though - you just dont let people come in contact or have people wearing PPE. If you start to quarantine transportation workers delivery of goods will break down. |
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May 10, 2020, 09:43:18 AM Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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^^ And indeed.... we always know when they went wrong with there shorts.... they will not post in here anymore when they get rekt  |
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May 10, 2020, 10:09:52 AM |
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Port staff don’t need to come within 20 meters of ship crew to unload a boat. Air crew never touch their cargo. It’s loaded by airport ground staff at one end and unloaded by airport ground staff at the other end.
You need pilots to board a ship to get the ship into harbour, but you could just use proper PPE and isolate the ship pilots.
I’m not making this shit up, it’s official Australian government policy.
Families ripped apart, it's not about the port staff and truck drivers. The bigger risk is we are not on top of the virus and get a second wave due to asymptomatic community transmission.
Fuck this man, now it's the fault of the asymptomatic? What's next, selling the BG platform to the Australian government? edit: economies have always prospered when opening up the borders, not closing them. |
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May 10, 2020, 10:19:14 AM |
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Hey moron, if you could read you could tell that was 2 months ago, long closed those, my shorts started at 10010 2 days ago
Throughout all these years I've seen hundreds like you on this thread trying to make money shorting bitcoin. Sooner than later they lose all their money and never come back.You're just the next loser! Couldn’t be said better .... exactly what happens to all the traders and certainly shorters Yeah, for you and me Dude, not for Joe though. |
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May 10, 2020, 10:28:24 AM |
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Huh? What makes their feats more impressive is just how different the countries are. Greece, for example, is in Europe — one of the world’s coronavirus hotspots — but managed to escape the worst despite receiving large numbers of tourists and a busy Easter holiday.
Total.bullshit. Hot spot? Since for ever. Tourists? WTF is that? |
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May 10, 2020, 10:33:41 AM |
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At this point, I encourage tourists not to visit Greece this year.
Stay home and wash your hands.
We cannot afford your stupidity.
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vapourminer
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
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May 10, 2020, 10:44:13 AM |
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[edited out - distasteful recommendation] ... or less painful way: rebuy at ~$5-6-7k and become a millionaire within the next 12-24 months.
You really think that we are going to reach sub $7k prices? are you suggesting that mindrust should set buy orders at three different levels? $5k, $6k and $7k?
What if we never see sub $8k again? looks like the bears working on it. observing just north of $8.8k USD bleh. but blehs are (usually) pretty temporary. so there is that. |
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El duderino_
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El duderino_
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May 10, 2020, 10:47:50 AM |
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I will merit when I have replenished again |
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May 10, 2020, 10:50:11 AM |
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It's so sad to see that guy still has followers who actually believe what he says... Flat earth, anyone? |
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May 10, 2020, 10:55:38 AM |
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For those of you arguing about CV19 "severity", take a look at Iceland. You now have a full set of statistics there in terms of recovery vs non-recovery since they've reached the end of their bell curve quicker than everywhere else. Conclusion: 98.5% recovery and in fact looks like ending up over 99% once all cases are concluded. Also this is only looking at actual infections, not the population as a whole. For population as a whole the death rate is 0.004 of one percent (0.004%) with a relaxed lockdown policy, stricter than Sweden's but not as strict as UK. Also bear in mind that UK policy is largely based on Imperial college "model" which is currently being shredded as we speak by the online "nerd" community. |
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HairyMaclairy
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May 10, 2020, 11:09:21 AM
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Iceland has extremely aggressive testing so its data is among the best in the world.
Iceland has 10 deaths, 18 active cases and a total case load of 1,801. None of the 18 active cases are critical, so let us assume all recover.
That gives us a case fatality rate of 0.55% with no load on the health system.
Iceland has a population of 364,000. If half catch C19, a 0.55% fatality rate would be 2,000 deaths.
New York has a population of 18,800,000. If half of NY catch C19 with a CFR of 0.55%, then the death rate would be 103,000 people, which is four times the current deaths of 26,000. Working backwards from a CFR of 0.55% suggests that, at most, 4.7 million New Yorkers have caught C19 which is nowhere near enough for herd immunity. It’s probably significantly less due to excess deaths from hospital overloading and poor care in nursing homes.
Applied to the US population of 384 million, a CFR of 0.55% yields a death rate of just over a million people if only half the US population catches C19. In reality, many US hospitals will collapse if we get close to those numbers, pushing the CFR up.
Please note that the CFR rate says nothing about people who are permanently crippled by C19 even if they live. I have not seen good numbers on this, so this is just speculation based on papers written by Wuhan doctors.
The Imperial College model is quickly becoming less important now that we are starting to get real world data to work with.
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