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The dude is celebrating
Wow looks great man! Here's mine  Cheesy


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May 23, 2020, 03:51:47 PM

Good interview, a bit more substantive than the usual cointelegraph fare...
https://cointelegraph.com/news/defi-exec-believes-crypto-community-mostly-short-term-thinkers
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The main thing that I think most people miss when they come to crypto is when they know they’ve worked in something on Wall Street or something on Main Street and they say, “Oh, my gosh. If I just take this and transport it to the blockchain, it's going to be the next big thing. All I have to do is take the best idea of how Wall Street steals money from people and deliver it on the blockchain, and I'm gonna be a billionaire.”

This guy doesn't get it.

But he knows how to leverage other peoples money into his pocket so its a good idea to stay away from him.
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May 23, 2020, 03:56:57 PM

good lord jawhead what is that thing?
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May 23, 2020, 04:02:00 PM

WO's citizens, please let's talk about fee in a minute.  Wink
Bitcoin transaction fees (in sats/kb). Sunday, Saturday are best to move BTC
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May 23, 2020, 04:03:32 PM

https://medium.com/@coinmetrics/market-insights-spotting-and-exploiting-market-volatility-d4b82d188a9e

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Near midnight UTC on May 10, 2020, Bitcoin saw a rapid selloff that brought the price down to $8,000 from $9,500, an almost 16% decrease in less than 15 minutes. [...]

[...] Coin Metrics exchange flow data bot flagged an abnormally large deposit of 2,500 BTC on the Gemini exchange. Given the abnormally large nature of this deposit on an exchange that does not often provide liquidity to cover that volume, the bot triggered an alert notification.


Interesting, but I still have to take these kinds of analysis with a decently large grain of salt in terms of what triggered what, and surely prices are not completely controlled by bots, so humans are making decisions about when to dump, how to dump and on what exchanges might they expect to dump the fewest coins but to get the largest effects of getting others to follow so that they can sit back and let the dumpenings be borne by others while they might be busy buying back (of course, after they believe the dumps are over and hopefully if they get the effects that they want).

Still interesting to get a variety of perspectives on how to use data, even if there is likely some incompleteness in the whole matter, but surely some BIGGER players are likely to have more data than smaller players just in terms of their likely having coins on a variety of exchanges.. and that they might be testing out the extent to which support might be broken on one exchange or another and/or whether the price breaking below certain price points might cause some cascading of forcing longs to get liquidated on other exchanges.
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May 23, 2020, 04:12:54 PM

My understanding of "personal slave" means that they actually listen to you, which is the opposite of what regular chicks do.

Regular chicks are kind of like Cryptotourist, they frequently do the opposite of what you want and often try your patience to its limits.  Even a short-term "personal slave" is actually difficult to come by in the real world so would be well worth more than 1 whole bitcoin.

How da fuck would you understand?
It depends on the role play, you fucking moron.

+1 for humor J, and as I said, loose the salt.

I am referring to real life - not 14-year old snot-nosed fantasy bullshit, in which you have never met an actual real life girl or know what they are like or how they act.. you believe that you can merely assign some role, and chicks are going to cooperate..

Get a fucking life, you diptwat... oops, I apologize... I know that you can only grow up so quickly.. since you are only 14 fucking years old.. why rush the matter... enjoy your childhood a bit longer... how the fuck you going to know about these kinds of experiential things that adults had already gone through until your grow the fuck up a bit more.. which should not be rushed.. cherish your youth.. there is some value in that.. or there should be.  Don't proclaim that I had never given you any valuable advices...
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May 23, 2020, 04:17:57 PM

good lord jawhead what is that thing?

Where's the beef?
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May 23, 2020, 04:40:20 PM

Yup.  Stock market is way too high.  Too early to buy the blood in the streets.  Need to wait.



Thanks for the graph. Stocks are very high, indeed, but there is that pesky gap on the top. It might fill first, or at least, it is a possibility.
Personally, I am risking only about 34% of my fiat in stocks (not even the index).
Crazy moves in 2020, but so far I am staying the course, periodically buying/selling some trends.
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May 23, 2020, 04:51:54 PM

There's still scope for stocks to go utterly mentally "up".
https://dailyreckoning.com/gary-shilling-dr-dooms-forecasts/
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In the German Weimar hyperinflation period, an index of German share prices (1913=100) rose from 126 in January 1918 to 531,300,000 in September 1923, and 23,680,000 million in November1923 amidst extremely high volatility.

But in dollar terms, because of the currency depreciation, the same index (1913=100) fell from 101.55 in January 1918 to 2.72 in October 1922, before recovering to 39.36 in November 1923. So, if governments print too much money, and if credit expands dramatically, as has been the norm in the US in recent times, inflation is certainly also possible in peacetime.
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- Although if we review the history of Bitcoin, it might be better to see in detail the dates of the first transaction, the first sale and finally the purchase of pizza:

Jan-12-2009 / Block 170 First transaction Bitcoin: Satoshi Nakamoto sent 10 BTC to Hal Finney.
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One of the first supporters, adopters, contributors to bitcoin and receiver of the first bitcoin transaction was programmer Hal Finney. Finney downloaded the bitcoin software the day it was released, and received 10 bitcoins from Nakamoto in the world's first bitcoin transaction on 12 January 2009
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Category:History

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/f4184fc596403b9d638783cf57adfe4c75c605f6356fbc91338530e9831e9e16

Oct-12-2009 / Block 24835 First Bitcoin sale to Fiat.
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When Bitcoin started out there wasn’t really a price for it since no one was willing to buy it. The first time Bitcoin actually gained value was on October 12, 2009 when Martti Malmi, a Finnish developer that helped Satoshi work on Bitcoin, sold 5050 Bitcoins for $5.02.
https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoin/historical-price/

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/7dff938918f07619abd38e4510890396b1cef4fbeca154fb7aafba8843295ea2

Martti Malmi sold 5,050 BTC for $5.02
https://twitter.com/marttimalmi/status/423455561703624704

May-22-2010 / Block 57043 Pizza Day 10,000BTC.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/a1075db55d416d3ca199f55b6084e2115b9345e16c5cf302fc80e9d5fbf5d48d

Today in the Bitcoin Prehistory thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5126554.msg54483915#msg54483915 I have posted about Pizza Day (without the girl), but this day is always mentioned as the first transaction or purchase of Bitcoin and it is not entirely correct, as always V8 has been fast and has warned me, I already modified the post, now it is better, I did not know it either, but I am glad to know that the first Bitcoin transaction was from Satoshi to Hal Finney.

Thx V8.
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good lord jawhead what is that thing?

the food or the pixelated counterfeit hat?
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May 23, 2020, 06:46:57 PM

Hi WO!!!

Why Bitcoin Claiming This Crucial Level Will Set the Stage for a Move to $11,000
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“Bitcoin found support on the daily and is mainting its uptrend. Red block is key for me, if we reject from there it’ll confirm distribution above March’s high and I expect much lower. If we can reclaim the red block I am looking to long a pullback to $11k,” he wrote.



Source: https://www.newsbtc.com/2020/05/23/why-bitcoin-claiming-level-will-set-stage-move-11000/

To add: the red block is around $9,400-9,500.

I hate to say it but a proper pull back would be good for fuelling the $10k rocket.
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Hi WO!!!

Why Bitcoin Claiming This Crucial Level Will Set the Stage for a Move to $11,000
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“Bitcoin found support on the daily and is mainting its uptrend. Red block is key for me, if we reject from there it’ll confirm distribution above March’s high and I expect much lower. If we can reclaim the red block I am looking to long a pullback to $11k,” he wrote.



Source: https://www.newsbtc.com/2020/05/23/why-bitcoin-claiming-level-will-set-stage-move-11000/

To add: the red block is around $9,400-9,500.

I hate to say it but a proper pull back would be good for fuelling the $10k rocket.


$8,800 from a couple of days ago would not be a proper pullback?  

We also had a dip to $8,109 two weeks ago, so it is not like BTC prices have been rocketing upwards in recent weeks, but instead just seeming to bounce around within a kind of range ... (a broad range, but still a range), which comes off as a kind of consolidation, right?

Hypothetically, what would be a proper pullback?  Would we need to go as low as $7k or even lower - $6k?  

Personally, I am not sure why a "pullback" is necessary since we had a pretty deep pullback from around the $10.5ks in mid February to the $7ks on March 11 and then to $3,850 on March 12.  We need more than that?  Maybe a double bottom or some other kind of reconfirmation that buying support is keeping up with our current price?

If we zoom out even more broadly, couldn't the extreme $3,850 of March 12th serve as a kind of double bottom from the $3,124 in December 2018?  Probably March 12 was a bit much, but still, it gave a lot of buying opportunities for those who were considering that we were not going to see sub $6k again.. There were quite a few considering that the odds for seeing sub $6k were becoming pretty low, and then we saw it on March 12.. and then took nearly two weeks to get back above $6k in a kind of recovery from that extreme dip on March 12.  



I hate to say it, too.   Wink  I have experienced a decent amount of being wrong in my ongoing preferences against down, but even if I have a preference against going down, there is not a lot that I can do about such preference.  If going down happens, then it happens, and mostly what I do is just buy whatever amount that I feel comfortable that I can buy.  

So, yeah, I have admitted that I have a preference against going down, and I even have a preference against speculating about going down, even though sometimes we might need to do such down speculation.

Likely many of us have seen that bearwhales are not really ready to allow bitcoin prices to go up until they know for sure that there is no more juice that they can squeeze out of the turnip.   And, maybe also, if there is just too many sentiments that we are going to go up, then that does not cause enough fuel for actually going up, and it creates fuel for down, based on theories that the forcing of margins are better fuel when they go against the sentiment...

And, surely, bearwhales have to be forced kicking and screaming on the way up, otherwise they are not going to willingly cooperate in letting the BTC price go up and they are not going to make matters easy for all the plebs to become more richie from this novel paradigm shifting asset class.


By the way:  Any of you remember memorial day weekend 2016?  Yes.. memorial day weekend 2016 was prehalvening (the second halvening), and this memorial day weekend (4 years later) comes after our most recent halvening (third halvening).

 As I recall, just prior to the 2016 memorial day weekend, there were a quite a few quasi-disgruntled folks in bitcoinlandia... They were disgruntled about the bitcoin price having had gone down into the mid-$100s and had gotten stuck in the $200s for almost a whole year (in 2015), and through the first 5 months of 2016, there were some doubts about whether the October/November 2015 pumpening up to $500 was a real reflection of BTC fundamentals or whether BTC prices were going to ever break above $500 again.  

I don't consider myself as part of the May 2016 disgruntled, but surely, i was experiencing some doubts about bitcoin pumpamentals (reappropriating that open source term from scammer Richard Heart.. hahahahaha) and kind of shell-shocked from being beaten-down so much through 2014, 2015 and even early 2016.

Maybe that is the feeling that you, Wekkel, speculate that BTC HOLDers need to be experiencing in order to be truly ready for a proper BTC price breakening UPwards?  

I am not sure if that kind of doubtful feeling is necessary, yet I know that there are different bitcoin financialization tools that are currently available as compared to 2016 and surely the macro-environment is never going to be exactly the same when taking one period of time (2016) and comparing it to another period (now).  

Nonetheless, I do recall my own feelings during memorial day weekend 2016.. and it was a pretty strong kind of feeling to see the BTC price to shoot above $500 and to largely never to return below that $500 price.  Sure there were some times of uncertainty in 2016 and even in early 2017, but even the Bitfinex hack in early August did not meaningfully bring BTC prices back below $500, and the threats of revisiting sub-$500 in about March 2017 did not even come close to becoming true and ended up NOT even having $900 materially breached.

So even though during the 2016 memorial day weekend BTC price rise, none of us could have known that sub $500 would never be seen again the solidly breaking back above $500 came as a kind of relieving "I told you so" sentiment for a decent number of then HODLers, including yours truly.
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Good interview, a bit more substantive than the usual cointelegraph fare...
https://cointelegraph.com/news/defi-exec-believes-crypto-community-mostly-short-term-thinkers
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The main thing that I think most people miss when they come to crypto is when they know they’ve worked in something on Wall Street or something on Main Street and they say, “Oh, my gosh. If I just take this and transport it to the blockchain, it's going to be the next big thing. All I have to do is take the best idea of how Wall Street steals money from people and deliver it on the blockchain, and I'm gonna be a billionaire.”

Thanks for posting this article, but after reading it I feel like Alex Mashinsky either still doesn't get it, or is like preaching to the choir. He also doesn't offer up any solutions of his own, only listing the current state issues.

He talks a lot of shit about the community not "being proactive enough" in gaining mainstream adoption but I mean, where the hell has he been for the last 10 years? What does he personally plan to do about it today?

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For Mashinsky, the end goal of the crypto community should be “to create a new economic system.”

Uh, gee, thanks Captain Obvious? No shit, like that hasn't been the goal all along.  Roll Eyes
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the afternoon wall report

continued testing of support/resistance around the 0.382   #dyor


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Good interview, a bit more substantive than the usual cointelegraph fare...
https://cointelegraph.com/news/defi-exec-believes-crypto-community-mostly-short-term-thinkers
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The main thing that I think most people miss when they come to crypto is when they know they’ve worked in something on Wall Street or something on Main Street and they say, “Oh, my gosh. If I just take this and transport it to the blockchain, it's going to be the next big thing. All I have to do is take the best idea of how Wall Street steals money from people and deliver it on the blockchain, and I'm gonna be a billionaire.”

Thanks for posting this article, but after reading it I feel like Alex Mashinsky either still doesn't get it, or is like preaching to the choir. He also doesn't offer up any solutions of his own, only listing the current state issues.

He talks a lot of shit about the community not "being proactive enough" in gaining mainstream adoption but I mean, where the hell has he been for the last 10 years? What does he personally plan to do about it today?

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For Mashinsky, the end goal of the crypto community should be “to create a new economic system.”

Uh, gee, thanks Captain Obvious? No shit, like that hasn't been the goal all along.  Roll Eyes

Mashinsky is disappointed that we all don't rush and give all our btc to him to 'lend' out, lol.
What are the chances that either blockfi or celsius kicks the bucket eventually?
I say 50:50 within 10 years (my guesstimate from the abnormally high interest yield).
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Hi guys, something has happened?
7 post since yesterday of my last post, the seasoning of the Pizza hurt them?
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There's still scope for stocks to go utterly mentally "up".
https://dailyreckoning.com/gary-shilling-dr-dooms-forecasts/
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In the German Weimar hyperinflation period, an index of German share prices (1913=100) rose from 126 in January 1918 to 531,300,000 in September 1923, and 23,680,000 million in November1923 amidst extremely high volatility.

But in dollar terms, because of the currency depreciation, the same index (1913=100) fell from 101.55 in January 1918 to 2.72 in October 1922, before recovering to 39.36 in November 1923. So, if governments print too much money, and if credit expands dramatically, as has been the norm in the US in recent times, inflation is certainly also possible in peacetime.

Deflation first, then hyperinflation.
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