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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
<$75K - 1 (2.7%)
$75K to $80K - 1 (2.7%)
$80K to $85K - 0 (0%)
$85K to $90K - 7 (18.9%)
$90K to $95K - 12 (32.4%)
$95K to $100K - 4 (10.8%)
>$100K - 12 (32.4%)
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December 29, 2021, 06:12:21 AM

Well, it doesn't really matter if you get it, if it doesn't make you seriously ill.

I heard one health expert talking on one of the mainstream media programs and he said that it appears that Omicron is not as severe, but if more people are getting sick, even if it is not severe, then that could be a problem too..

I thought that was a bit of a stretch of the imagination.

Part of the justification for a lot of the extreme measures was supposed to be that a lot of extra people were dying, but now they are saying that people might not be dying but they are getting really sick (and presumably recovering from that, too), but it is a problem because a lot of people are either getting sick or might get sick... and so the dying is disappearing from the justification for the extreme measures.

Now, that our cap gains are currently melting..maybe I would still consider working for a couple more halvings.

Surely, you are tempting a response from me, Biodom.

I will just say don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and leave it at that for now.
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Yeah it's a good point.
I don't think any of that mask shit makes any difference when you are in a cinema for hours anyway.

We’re 2 years in now & it still spreads like wild fire. It’s clear masks do very little by now.
People will be on their 4th jabs soon but we still have restrictions. I’ve been done with this bull shit for a long time now.

Some face-diaper not gona do anything for something coming out of  level 4 biohazard lab.
 
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Bitcoin basically because all other includes shitcoin in the market Wink

Guys, let's all take a moment of reflection for Bill Gates. He's had a really rough year...

Yeah, inflation is gonna eat his billions. Should've bought bitcoins when he had a chance.
Yes life for him is very hard and he speaks on that situation also like it would take us some more years to re-establish our businesses and on the contrary part he has gained enough this year also  Grin

But hyperinflation seems to be very close that it could take billion dollars in the rabbit hole easily and what common people are waiting for don't know.

There could be surprise elements to us also like he might come forward in public and say actually bitcoin was good investment for all of us and then i also invested some billions into it few years back like Tim Cook and then common people would be fool not to invest in it.
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Yeah it's a good point.
I don't think any of that mask shit makes any difference when you are in a cinema for hours anyway.

We’re 2 years in now & it still spreads like wild fire. It’s clear masks do very little by now.
People will be on their 4th jabs soon but we still have restrictions. I’ve been done with this bull shit for a long time now.

Some face-diaper not gona do anything for something coming out of  level 4 biohazard lab.
 

Fun fact: similar posts by pro-vaccine, pro-mask peeps cause huge butthurt and ooh don't hurt my feelings please post in Bawb's thread...  Grin  All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.  Grin
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Haha this is hilarious! Should've been vodka in a plastic cup  Grin

P.S. And what in the world is appletini?  Grin
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We’re 2 years in now & it still spreads like wild fire. It’s clear masks do very little by now.
People will be on their 4th jabs soon but we still have restrictions. I’ve been done with this bull shit for a long time now.

Do I have to roll out a post about babies not wearing diapers and shitting all over a nursery? Because I could....

Let's keep the CoVID shit-posts in other threads and off the WO please.

(edit: Bob's thread is apparently for hat-only, I am sure there are other threads on this forum where the merits can be debated properly)
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 Otherwise, $100K-150K for no blow-off top, simply reaching the logarithmic growth upper band and reversing.

I don't really have any major problem with this kind of scenario ending up playing out because it is still very profitable for me, personally.

For most hodlers I imagine. Better than losing 50%+ of fiat value at least  Wink

One of my problems with the considering of such scenario to be reasonable remains that it just does not seem to reflect bitcoin's history very well, and it does not even seem to fit very well into a kind of "smoothing of tops" kind of depiction of bitcoin as a maturing asset class... and maybe that ends up being part of the rub (the crux of it) that I have with these kinds of smoothing top depictions of bitcoin in that there seems to be some kind of built presumption that bitcoin is sufficiently maturing as an asset class in order to really meaningfully be considered in that kind of a way.. which I really have some difficulties accepting that as a very likely scenario

Personally I find it fits perfectly into the smoothing of tops adoption/maturation theory, based on Bitcoin's price history. That of declining highs based on % gain, increased volume, declining volatility, increased adoption, etc. I just stick to the current growth curve, no need to over-complicate things imo with any theoretical supply shock models or otherwise.

Therefore for Q1 high would be around $150K, Q2 $175K or Q3 $200K. I'm never a fan of the "this year will be different theory", when for the past 10 years Bitcoin has formed and remained within a pretty clear-cut logarithmic adoption curve, until there's any evidence to suggest breaking a decade long trend. Depending on how you look at it, from peak to peak the growth declined considerably from ~35,000% to around 1,500%, so the % rise declined enoromously by 95%. So for example another decline of even just 50% would only be a rise of around 750%, which would put a top around the $175K mark.

For sure we could see a wick above or below this curve, like in March 2020 when price went 50% below the lower band, but it would take a black-swan event for that to happen imo, as opposed to the usual up-trend that occurs. So I do see the argument and possibility for reaching some $250K level or higher, but it wouldn't be typical of Bitcoin's price movements based on it's entire history.



Otherwise the target of $1 million sometime after Q3 2026 I find pretty realistic, as well the completion of adoption by 2030 at a $5 million BTC (where the upper and lower bands of the adoption curve cross over, and therefore the model becomes invalidated by default). With a $100 trillion market cap, it'd also be hard to argue that a $5 million Bitcoin price wouldn't make most fiat currencies redundant by then. 9 years from now also seems like a realistic time-frame personally, given how far Bitcoin has come in the past 10 years. This growth is also very similar to S2F, just with a little less pseudo-science Tongue



(even though I understand and appreciate that any kind of scenario could end up playing out, even a kind of $100k to $150k whimpy top scenario as does seem to be amongst your favorites, even if you are reluctant to admit it... hahahahahahaha     Tongue  Tongue Tongue Tongue).

It's not that it's my favourite scenario, but simply the most likely now there has been a clear enough trend of lows and highs established over 3 peaks and 3 lows. It's true I wouldn't be a fan of Bitcoin abandoning an adoption curve and forming a speculative marco-bubble (that so far hasn't happened fortunately), which only pops and leads to eventually returning to the adoption curve, taking maybe a decade or so to consolidate, even if entirely possible. As leaving this adoption curve to the upside would certainly open the doors to leaving it to the downside too.... meaning 10 years of adoption down the drain.

I realise the adoption curve might seem "whimpy" to you, because ultimately is typified by continuing to produce declining % gains, but personally I think a 750% rise from peak to peak is more than satisfactory, as well as a 20x within around 5 years, or even 100x within 10 years. I also think sustainable adoption will win the race faster than a speculative bubble that would likely take many years to recover from, not just the usual mini-boom and mini-bust that are nothing more than Bitcoin's bull markets and bear markets on smaller scales. The Tortoise and the Hare comes to mind here, that of slow and steady wins the race.
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December 29, 2021, 01:06:41 PM

Example: You are married, have 200K income and 200K long term cap gains.
Your "regular" combined income is taxed at 32%, but your longterm cap gains are taxed at 15%.
See the table in here:
https://erwealth.com/podcastblog/will-capital-gains-push-me-into-a-higher-tax-bracket
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Capital gains will not cause your ordinary income to be taxed at a higher rate..
So, again, long-term capital gains are taxed at different rates and separately from your ordinary income.

Unless i completely misunderstand their "slang" it appears that you could be taxed differently for reg income and for cap gains.


Correct. So your 80k 0% CG tax applies to 80k if you don't work a day all year, but for every day you work that 0% is replaced by the income tax rate. So the best option is to be a complete louse, live off your LTCG and pay zero taxes on the first 80k. Which by the way is equal to a 100k "salary" because of all the taxes that cum out.

After that it's taxed at 15% up to a couple of hundred G (half million or so). That may seem a lot, but remember there is no Social Security "tax" nor is there any Medicare or employment taxes. So it's lower than you think. This is why it's good to be rich.

However you can't contribute to an IRA or 401k with CG money, you need to have income. Which leads to my real fun question:

If on Jan 1 you redirect 100% of your salary to a 401k, then quit once you hit $19500 (the 401k limits), do you still get the whole 80k CG at 0% rate because the 401k was a "top line" (before AGI) deduction or is it based on total income?

Is health insurance paid for by CG profits deductible? Since Health insurance is another top line deduction can you work an extra few weeks for that money and still get the 80k 0% CG tax rate?

Inquiring minds want to know. :-)

i just figure im fucked no matter what. so meh.
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i just figure im fucked no matter what. so meh.

Oh of course: No one gets out of this game alive :-) But as a thought experiment I'm finding it to be fun to figure out how you can have maximum in-your-pocket funds while paying a minimum in taxes legally and completely by all the rules.

Maybe this is how rich people think....
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Come on corn

Keep up the x-mass spirit
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Come on corn

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 please post in Bawb's thread...  

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I am pretty sure, you are as welcome as other men without hats (as long as you master the safety dance) as Bob stated some time ago:



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 If a non-hatter contributes something substantive and interesting to the thread, brave enough to post here, and survive my scrutiny, I'll give them a pass.

 Passive WO-posters get an implied, automagic free pass, as "we are familiar with them".

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So you're probably not gonna fail on the non-hatter but on the substantive part.
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