Quick clarification of a few things—
Ok.. no problem..
longer replies forthcoming later:
oh no !!! Please don't.
#nohomo[...] and probably my main contention with either your summary of OgNasty's viewpoint or even your own framing of the matter [...]
In the relevant post,
OgNasty did not mention altcoins at all. He said something about how people are now excited by a 5% price movement in BTC, whereas it used to take a 500% movement to get people’s attention.
oh gawd.
That's even a worse point, then.
I began writing a reply to the effect that traders seeking that magnitude of short-term returns are now either trading altcoins, or trading BTC-PERP at high leverage. Sure, people can still get that fast 500% speculating on BTC price movements! (Warning to newbies: That’s at risk of instant, fully realized, unrecoverable loss from the market moving against you even 1%. I like the concept of perps; but I would never try trading them on leverage (or even at all) unless I studied real quant stuff with fancy equations—mathematical finance, not TA astrology—wrote a good bot, backtested it, etc.)
O.k Those are fair enough points.
I agree with the overall points of your responsive post DW, but you may be close to fantasylandia if you believe that bitcoin is anywhere even close to achieving gold's level of non-volatility in the next 50-100 years - so probably enough time that it really does not matter too much to our own physical meatspace existences but could be part of our legacy plannenings.. to the extent that we might have any or considering any.
I know that you were making other points.. yet there have been so many times that so many people are talking about bitcoin being stable or becoming stable and blah blah blah..
No, I don’t expect that kind of stability! It was clearly wishful thinking.
I do recognize the need for
price-stable currency, in addition to BTC. I am not proposing a solution; I am stating a problem. Anyone who still uses fiat shitcoins in permissioned banking systems is not permitted to argue with me about that: You
are using an altcoin, a central bank altcoin.
I will argue with you about it.
We come from various perspectives, and likely ONLY about 1% of the world's population is invested into bitcoin.
There is likely a considerable amount of prudence for a large number of fourm members to keepo some of their value in both worlds. Sure, if you want to live some kind of extreme existence of having 100% in bitcoin (or crypto) then that is your choice....
And, you seem to be getting distracted if you believe that the topic of this thread has ever suggested that we should go 100% bitcoin (or crypto).. the other pairing of this topic is the USD.. so I doubt that we are even close to shedding or shrugging off the relevance of the dollar to this topic or to suggest that we transition into a new topic, when we likely still ONLY have around 1% world adoption into bitcoin, at best (not that we know the adoption numbers with any kind of meaningful precision, but 1% is a way better number to presume (whether we are referring to quantity of world monetization value in bitcoin or number of people in bitcoin who are stocked and fully loaded - to use a currently inept term) than to be projecting that we are even close to being able to transition into some kind of a system that is 100% bitcoin (and crypto blah blah blah)...
And the worst stablecoin scam is USD—the dollar itself. It isn’t even stable: Its price volatility for the past year-plus has been too large to qualify as “stable”, even if its volatility is still much lower than BTC’s. Hey, maybe Do Kwon and Janet Yellen should get married!
Of course there tends to be a lot of nuance when attempting to make comparisons between various stable coins that might have backing of some sort, the USD of course is the other pairing of the topic of this thread.. so it is surely relevant, and even if we believe it is a scam, it is quite likely the strongest of all of the fiats, so we are ongoingly going to be referencing issues related to it.. and fuck Do Kwon and his likely knowing scam terra/Luna bullshit.. NOT even easy to give him much if any credibility.. and makes Janet Yellen look like a saint in comparison.. hahahaha #nohomo.
I appreciate the way you danced around the how much to talk about shitcoins topic, because getting into such does seem to have decent potentials of leading us astray,
I recognize the need to foster a local culture that chews up shitcoin shills and spits them out; and in that regard, I thank you for your longtime, sort of unofficial leadership handing out batslaps. I may walk a fine line when I am seeking a more nuanced discussion of important topics. WO is not generally a place for nuance, but there
is the type of place with some highly intelligent regulars who sincerely care about these issues.
There may be some truth to the assertion that a lot of smart bitcoiners peruse and/or participate in this thread.. but at the same time, this is not a technical thread, so there are many times that the overall WO audience is not really equipped for some of the heavy-ass issues... and sometimes there will be threads that are dedicated to some of the more specialized topics that might be more appropriate in attempting to get a more focused audience - including that they might be specifically looking at the questions/subject matter that is being presented.
Even your seemingly hard-on of a recent focus on POS versus POW.. there is a thread that is already really great on that topic. .which quite a few folks with similar interests.. the thread has 8 pages, and is ONLY a bit more than 3 months old.. so for sure current discussions and active participants (not self-moderated either.. so they would not even need to like you.. hahahahaaha).
[Megathread] The long-known PoW vs. PoS debateSometimes, when I read some of the posts in that thread I have no fucking clue when trying to read some of their technical points, but for someone like you, who seems to be way more technical than me and who seems to be currently interested in that topic, it would seem to be a good thing for you to chime into that thread.. either to tell them that they are crazy, or they can tell you that you are crazy or you can all join just hug it out kumbaya style.
In other words, this thread is filled with wannabe bitcoin-maxi generalists and jokers (if anyone wants a label?) and even if we may well touch upon some of the hot topics of the day in bitcoinlandia, frequently we may well link out to those kinds of more specified topics rather than getting in full-fledged debate mode in these here parts that may well end up causing this thread to become too focused on one narrow topic rather than more general bitcoin happenings..
So, yeah, you may well complain that some of the members in this thread here are not responding to some of your bitcoin related points on a deep enough level, and part of the reason could well be that
we are not deep people in these here parts.. hahahahaha (maybe I am just self reflecting?, but whatever... oc course there are some members who are deeper and who are more technical, but still some of those guys might not be participating in this here thread to get bogged down in some of the more narrow (even though still bitcoin-related) topics either.)
Dealing with some recent messes, I have recently had to spend some time reading “crypto-Twitter” (which is usually nonexistent in my world). I think that my eyeballs will soon start bleeding from sheer horror; and I’m pretty sure that that’s what WO would eventually look like, without Jay raining hellfire on anyone who tries to pump some garbage here.
I have heard that some people curate their twitter feeds, so that they might be able to filter ut some of the more noisy chatter. I do agree with you that if people do not say anything, then the conversation has a tendency to devolve.. so I am not sure. Of course, in the end, members can post whatever the fuck they want in this thread, and sure some will continue to post that kind of loosely relevant and shilling/pumping kind of stuff, and say - "everyone else is using the word 'crypto' without even describing what they mean... blah blah blah.. " hahahahaha.. which seems to be a pretty lame excuse.. but surely those kinds of excuses do happen.
Edit: Tweak wording to disambiguate the intent of a statement scrawled in haste. I’m pretty damn sure that both Jay and OgNasty know what leveraged perp trading is, lol.
I would not claim to have any kind of specific and personal knowledge regarding how the various financial instruments are used since I do not tend to use them, even though I understand that there could be ways to use various kinds of financial instruments in ways that are profitable.. my tendency is to largely play around with ongoing longs.. and maybe closing some of them from time to time, but hardly any leverage except sometimes I will use debt instruments for various kinds of cashflow supplementing.
Of course, I understand some of the basics (or is it lingo of the trading/gambling business) including the ideas of margin leverage (and using multiples) and getting called and covering your position and things like that.. so I am not sure if there would be any need for you to describe or explain any further in terms of the context that you were suggesting (or the points that you were seeming to want to make) that there is extreme risk when some of the inexperienced normies (who might want to get rich quicker than is feasible) using leverage (even though there are possibilities for great pay off if the person using those kinds of financial tools get the price direction right and they are able to close their position(s) before get reversal comes that ends up causing them to get reckt or perhaps going into the negative when they could have closed in the positive, but they got too greedy, etc etc etc.).
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