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Meanwhile....

BTC Dominance 2017: 44%
BTC Dominance 2022: 44%




This is a significant and easily overlooked metric.

This time we also had NFTs that probably took some capital out of the shitcoin market..
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Fuck me, what a laugh! Grin

And what a great ending!


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It's probably obvious that McCormack isn't sharpest tool in the shed.  But that tweet def takes the cake.  What an idiot...

I agree that I like the list and various provocative aspects, even if I do not agree with Svetski on a few of the points in the list because ultimately bitcoin is for everyone, even though they might not know it during their lifetimes.. hahahaha... and of course, Svetski has a right to make his sometimes overly provocative and narrow points whether I like/agree with each and every one of them or their nuances or not.

With regards with McCormack, I imagine that you (Gachapin) are referring to some tweet that McCormack made.. so I am not sure what that tweet reference is.

Not to mention that Saylor is American; he may have noticed that the Biden administration dislikes POW.

In that latest and "greatest" video interview that cAPS provided (my response here), Saylor seems to be intimately aware of Biden's latest bitcoin-related proclamations and appreciates that the latest Biden memo seems to "get bitcoin" a wee bit better than some other political figures - and he specifically mentioned Elizabeth Warren - (well he was responding to a question that the interviewer presented to him)(you can see Saylor respond to that Warren's views specific question at around 14.5 minutes into the interview.. I cued it up for you here)

We were just talking about POS yesterday. Today he tweets:

PoW is money. PoS is credit.

https://twitter.com/saylor/status/1533072638268035074?cxt=HHwWhMCyraTcyMYqAAAA

Jay, please don’t feel bad if I deem you overruled by Saylor.  Wink  This is now fully on-topic in WO:

Sure.. you are hilarious DW.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

In other words, fuck Saylor.



hahahaha

Just kidding...




Let me focus for a second in regards to substance.

You can likely read through my various responses to your seemingly ongoing dramatization of the POW versus POS debate, and you may well start to appreciate that my responses are starting to boil down to my own assessment that you (DW) seem to be devolving into a kind of over-dramatization of either the problem that is in front of us and/or our need (as Bitcoiners) to be called to arms in fighting the seemingly ongoing POS onslaught... So even if we take your statement as true that all of the other coins are transitioning to POS which will result in bitcoin on its own as the ONLY POW coin, then I still am having quite a few difficulties recognizing and/appreciating those kinds of possible evolving facts to actually be as BIG of a threat to bitcoin as you seem to be wanting to make them out to be. 

In other words, fuck all the POS coins.. let all the shitcoins convert to POS.. who fucking cares?  It does not even seem to be  threat to bitcoin.. more like a sign of bitcoin is winning.. we are winning boys (and girl) we are winning (famous last words as the guillotine comes down)..

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So, in that regard, Saylor's statement that describes POS as credit and POW as money does not really say anything different than what any of the OG bitcoiners (including yours truly, if I can be so brave as to include my lil selfie therein) are already saying in regards to POS being just a continuation of the status quo systems, while bitcoin remains the only innovation in town- at least so far.. .. and maybe even more likely the ONLY innovation if no other coins are even trying to imitate it (or to take any of its market share) any more..


Please don’t incite the wannabe sleuths around here to start guessing which account is his.

On the other hand, it is an awful coincidence that I started sounding the alarm here in WO about POS being a serious threat to Bitcoin—and then Saylor tweeted about it.  By wannabe-sleuth standards, that amounts to proof that I am Saylor’s super-secret Bitcoin Forum account! Shocked


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Fuck me, what a laugh! Grin

And what a great ending!


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It's probably obvious that McCormack isn't sharpest tool in the shed.  But that tweet def takes the cake.  What an idiot...
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With regards with McCormack, I imagine that you (Gachapin) are referring to some tweet that McCormack made.. so I am not sure what that tweet reference is.
...

You can find a picture of his tweet under point 35.
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/why-you-should-sell-your-bitcoin

Seems he already deleted it... wonder why  Roll Eyes
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I really start to think that Saylor reads the WO...

Saylor runs a business intelligence (BI) company that specializes in analytics and data mining to guide strategic business decisions.  Although I don’t know anything about MicroStrategy’s internal operations, I’d wager that Saylor probably has operations to monitor Internet chatter about MicroStrategy’s cash reserve asset:  Bitcoin.  National intelligence agencies would call that “OSINT”.

This is not to start some rumour or grandiose conspiracy theory, but to the contrary.  I’m pointing out that even if the instances you cite are not all coincidental—a big “if”!—even if Saylor picked that latest theme up from my WO posts, it doesn’t necessarily mean that Saylor himself saw anything here, much less that he regularly reads WO.  For billionaires who run business intelligence services to get reports about interesting points raised in public discussions would seem quite mundane to me.

I’ll also go out on a limb here, and guess that maybe Saylor and his BI company noticed the POS issue all by themselves.  POS has been growing like an invasive weed strangling the whole “crypto” world.  For those who don’t live in a Bitcoin echo chamber, it is lamentably impossible to miss being assaulted with explicitly anti-Bitcoin POS propaganda.  Not to mention that Saylor is American; he may have noticed that the Biden administration dislikes POW.

Yeah you are probably right.  
I just find it interesting to think about who might be reading the WO...


I wouldn't be surprised if he already has an account...
...it is an awful coincidence that I started sounding the alarm here in WO about POS being a serious threat to Bitcoin—and then Saylor tweeted about it.  By wannabe-sleuth standards, that amounts to proof that I am Saylor’s super-secret Bitcoin Forum account! Shocked

ha..  Grin
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Ok Buddy, since you can't even keep the 30k, let me post a chart...

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OT: good for Wales, but there WAS a penalty (that was not given) to Ukraine.
There was a clear knock on (Yarmolenko's?) foot in the penalty area...maybe it was not fully intentional, but it is visible here:
https://youtu.be/XxfR-LtiiKM?t=259

Congrats to Wales anyway..it would be their first Wcup since 1958.
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long term holders are entering capitulation phase and are right now selling at lost indicating that Smart money accumulation phase has begun,

You must be new here... wait..

Anyhow, "long term holders" and "smart money" are dee same peeps.

Go figure...


If you must

Thy thread point out how this same event preceded generational Bottoms in Bitcoin's history.
Which included the 2014 and 2018 Bear markets and also the coronavirus Cross-market crash of March 2020.
It equally noted that such capitulation event usually marks a multi- year - bottom.

Who gives a flying ratt's ass what the article thinks.

What do you think?

Are we in a 2014/2018 situation?  You seem to think so, no?  Why else would you be citing that article as if it were gosspel from on high?

Another thing would be how anyone could reasonably assign March 2020 as if it were part of some kind of a meaningful pattern? 

Any of us should be able to look at the charts of any and all asset classes and see that nearly every class of asset had the same flash crash event (flowing value into the dollar) .., so a flash crash means quick down and quick bounce back.., which makes it a wee bit of a unique event rather than something that anyone should reasonably assert to be part of any kind of a meaningful pattern.

Therefore stating that the next few months would present a great opportunity for long-term investing in the market.

Sure.. maybe not for the stated reasons and maybe not guaranteed in any kind of way, but overall fair enough.



Fuck me, what a laugh! Grin

And what a great ending!


PS
It's probably obvious that McCormack isn't sharpest tool in the shed.  But that tweet def takes the cake.  What an idiot...
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With regards with McCormack, I imagine that you (Gachapin) are referring to some tweet that McCormack made.. so I am not sure what that tweet reference is.
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You can find a picture of his tweet under point 35.
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/why-you-should-sell-your-bitcoin

Seems he already deleted it... wonder why  Roll Eyes

Ok.   Thanks.

For reference: Svetski's point 35 is:

>>>>>>>>>>35. If you think that “this time it’s different:”

If you’re blind enough to have not seen through the lies, and stupid enough to believe that tyranny is something that just “appears” from out of a vacuum, then you just don’t get it. In fact, you are the perfect candidate for guard or Capo, and for your kind bitcoin doesn’t work.<<<<

He attaches this Picture as evidence for the point:



(I'm having some trouble getting the image to load.. maybe someone has a better way to do it? I don't claim to know how to do some basic things.. sorry folks...or maybe I am not sorry.. whatever.   The image is number 35 in this linked article:  https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/why-you-should-sell-your-bitcoin )


And, McCormick's tweet is just one of three examples, in which Svetski is using the fact that McCormick deleted his tweet to suggest that he is a hypocrite or that people get tricked by governments.  In his tweet (presumably tweeted around mid-2021 or earlier) McCormick said:

"Right now I am definitely a statist.  I think we need draconian centralised planning to reduce the spread of Coronavirus and the overwhelming of the health systems.  I am though thinking about post-Coronavirus and how we ensure governments retract from their new powers.  Am I alone?"

I would not necessarily want to get into any deep debate regarding what is a bitcoiner and what is not a bitcoiner in terms of how much any person might have gotten lulled into aspects of supporting coronavirus "protective" / "control" measures, and surely we can recognize that bitcoiners may well be all over the place in terms of their views about the virus, views about the role of government in regards to a variety of policies/practices, views about whether there should even be any governments and if so what purposes they might serve if they continue to exist in one form or another.

I doubt that active forum members in this thread are even going to agree, even if we try to get into the more specialized area of historical government abuses in regards to monetary (printing) policies or how a movement that more and more increases the relevance and power of bitcoin is going to end up addressing some of the historical governmental abuses to cause us to reach a system in which more people consider to be more fair because maybe we can at least agree that a more and more successful and dominant bitcoin system does seem likely to take away some of the human interventions that lead to a whole hell of aa lot of unfairnesses.. even in that Saylor interview that we keep referring to, it seems that he mentioned that bitcoin might be able to take a away some fraction of injustices that exist, but not all injustices.. I am pretty sure I recall Saylor referring to something like 50% - which surely would be a ballpark estimate, anyhow (here's the Saylor video link, again.. find the exact point (near the end I think?) yourself..  maybe you can tell I am getting a bit distracted because i have to go do something else right now?   hahahaha).

By the way, I expect that I won't be back to post until after the close of the weekly candle.. and if no one has mentioned this one needs to be above $29,455 in order to be green.. which surely seems doable and will close about 2.5 hours from the time of this post.. .good luck everyone.. to the extent it even matters to any of us or to the fate of king daddy.
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Edit:  s/people/quants/, to emphasize that I speak not of uneducated, undercapitalized day-traders who seek trend lines like finding faces in the clouds.  (Original.)

Jay, thanks for the info.  (Especially, timestamp cites in videos I will peruse later; I do not usually watch videos.)

A quick response, with a point on which I will elaborate in the other thread:

You can likely read through my various responses to your seemingly ongoing dramatization of the POW versus POS debate, and you may well start to appreciate that my responses are starting to boil down to my own assessment that you (DW) seem to be devolving into a kind of over-dramatization of either the problem that is in front of us and/or our need (as Bitcoiners) to be called to arms in fighting the seemingly ongoing POS onslaught... So even if we take your statement as true that all of the other coins are transitioning to POS which will result in bitcoin on its own as the ONLY POW coin, then I still am having quite a few difficulties recognizing and/appreciating those kinds of possible evolving facts to actually be as BIG of a threat to bitcoin as you seem to be wanting to make them out to be.  

In other words, fuck all the POS coins.. let all the shitcoins convert to POS.. who fucking cares?  It does not even seem to be  threat to bitcoin.. more like a sign of bitcoin is winning.. we are winning boys (and girl) we are winning (famous last words as the guillotine comes down)..

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Whoops, now how did that extra zero sneak into that formatting tag?

I think that I inadvertently confused some others (maybe even to some degree you) with my labelling this “Fork Wars 2.0”.  This is an external threat—or at least, it starts that way, although you had better start considering what will happen if when some large institutional BTC investors decide announce they want POS.

Bitcoin is the king of “crypto”, but it is still tiny.  An order of magnitude smaller than the gold market—three orders of magnitude smaller than the global equities markets.  “King Daddy” may give zero forks about what little retail buyers want, but I urge that uie-pooie should be cautious about such bravado when a $600 billion market potentially faces opposition from $trillions in collective capital wielded by quants with PhDs in mathematical finance, and from the powers of government.

Underscore this:  I have full confidence that Bitcoin will prevail, if and only if Bitcoiners act positively and intelligently to protect it.  I am a long-term BTC bull:  I account each 1 BTC I recently lost as a >$1 million reduction of my future net worth as measured in dollars!  I am not here to FUD Bitcoin:  I am here to awaken the slumbering, dreaming Bitcoin power that we really do need right now.  Drop the bravado and the Hopium.  Get realistic about threats.  Proactively defend Bitcoin.

There are now parties involved who can, if they so choose, trash the Bitcoin market as they pump POS alts to the moon and flood the mass-media with pro-POS coin, anti-Bitcoin agitprop.  Meanwhile, the POW/POS divide is factionalizing politically along right/left lines.  That’s bad:  Bitcoin’s strength rests on its foundations as a nonpolar, nonpartisan system.  I applaud Ted Cruz, the Heritage Foundation, et al. for standing up for Bitcoin.  I also want to remind the left that Bitcoin stands for fairness, equality, and human rights—that its fair-distribution POW system, which forces rich miners to divest themselves on thin profit margins so that others can get a chance, is not “rich get richer” POS—and that Bitcoin is the answer to the problems that Occupy Wall Street entirely failed to solve.  If the situation were not so serious, it would be funny to watch the left fight for VC profits, big banks, and Wall Street sharks—while Ted Cruz shows first-class leadership in defending the bastion of fairness, equality, and human rights, i.e. Bitcoin.

On a related note—  I used to advocate less excitement about the price, hopefully slower market growth, with more focus on mass-adoption first.  My reasoning was conceptually similar to why Satoshi asked Wikileaks not to take Bitcoin donations too early on:  A firmer foundation is required to take on larger challenges.  A market that’s interesting to Blackrock, Citadel, Goldman Sachs, et al. plus a headline political issue in the U.S., E.U., and elsewhere is a much larger challenge than taking donations for a single controversial website!  I gave up because people are shortsighted, and they don’t want to hear any talk about slower growth and firmer foundations:  They want moons.

Well, we have what we now have.  (And golly darn it, I seem unable to make a “quick” reply.)  Bitcoin grew fast.  Much of its growth was driven by speculation and “investing”, rather than the more solid, less fickle foundation of adoption for use as money.  Now and ever, it faces challenges.  Bitcoiners must defend it—for we will never have another chance like this.  Bitcoin can prevail, and it must prevail.  Jay, if you think I seem pessimistic now, you have no idea how I will personally redefine the whole concept of “pessimism” if Bitcoin fails.  The world needs Bitcoin.

Please don’t incite the wannabe sleuths around here to start guessing which account is his.

On the other hand, it is an awful coincidence that I started sounding the alarm here in WO about POS being a serious threat to Bitcoin—and then, Saylor tweeted about it.  By wannabe-sleuth standards, that amounts to proof that I am Saylor’s super-secret Bitcoin Forum account! Shocked


oh gawd!!!!     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Is the idea really that ridiculous?  “Asking for a friend”—well, not for my friend.  My friends are not wannabe-sleuths who shoot off their mouths over irrelevant non-issues based on a few coincidences.  My friends are not possessed of such pettiness and poor judgment.

Needless to say, I myself am aware that the idea is ridiculous.  Nonetheless, rules are rules!

Pursuant to my strict policy in such matters, I neither admit nor deny the rumor that I am Saylor’s super-secret Bitcoin Forum account. Cool
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A Newly Published Book Claims to Tell the 'Real Story Behind Mysterious Bitcoin Creator

Finding Satoshi: The Real Story Behind Mysterious Bitcoin Creator Satoshi Nakamoto” written by Ivy McLemore was released in June 2022.

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The book gives readers the unique opportunity to join a reporter on the search of a lifetime for the creator of the world’s best-performing investment. It looks at 40 candidates and leads to a little-known, under-the-radar suspect with stunning, previously untold secrets only Bitcoin’s creator could know.

Regardless what you believe about Satoshi’s real-life identity, Finding Satoshi gives readers 42 specific points to ponder.

https://news.bitcoin.com/a-newly-published-book-claims-to-tell-the-real-story-behind-mysterious-bitcoin-creator/

It’s listed on Amazon

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It looks like it Happens every four years if BTC Follow the previous two. Then good Luck For 2023.
I believe Hodlers will never be upset, and they will try to accumulate more BTC If BTC hits the $20K-$25 Range or lower.
But, If BTC doesn't follow previous yearly patterns, It will put a smile on many people's faces. But, Holders will surely wait for some dips to make their DCA Cheaper.

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