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You know, one of the main reasons why mindrust pulled out was greed. He aimed at some high amount of $ per BTC, he said he would never sell below that. When he was about x10 from his entry price he feared to lose more, so he sold everything but 1 BTC (IIRC, which i often doubt, hence my meaningful nickname).
This sets you apart from mindrust, though, only if the (true) motivation for your leveraged long position wasn't greed.

Some derivatives and tools of the financial markets are tempting because powerful if used successfully, but i think Satoshi was very much against them, as parts of the system, so he propagated HODL. This is what you should have done, but it's hard to do follow advice if you only trust in your own judgement. In reality, we are so weak and full of error...

Good luck and act accordingly  Smiley

I agree, mindrust's goal was always to increase his fiat stash and that is the trap he fell into.

He fell for the astrology of Masterluc and thought he could rebuy at $1500 IIRC.

He over exposed himself with his buy gamble (effective long) and was terrified of losing fiat value.

He forgot 1 BTC = 1 BTC and for that he will always be a cautioning tale.
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People already eat snails and sea "bugs" like shrimp. They eat filter feeders like crayfish and mussels, which feed on the dirtiest, nastiest shit ever. Are land bugs that much worse though?

The problem is that the food industry has an allowed "earthen" percentage for shit like cockroaches and rats and now that they are allowed a certain amount they have decided to use that for profits rather than the tolerance that was gifted to them.
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You know, one of the main reasons why mindrust pulled out was greed. He aimed at some high amount of $ per BTC, he said he would never sell below that. When he was about x10 from his entry price he feared to lose more, so he sold everything but 1 BTC (IIRC, which i often doubt, hence my meaningful nickname).
This sets you apart from mindrust, though, only if the (true) motivation for your leveraged long position wasn't greed.

Some derivatives and tools of the financial markets are tempting because powerful if used successfully, but i think Satoshi was very much against them, as parts of the system, so he propagated HODL. This is what you should have done, but it's hard to do follow advice if you only trust in your own judgement. In reality, we are so weak and full of error...

Good luck and act accordingly  Smiley

I agree, mindrust's goal was always to increase his fiat stash and that is the trap he fell into.

He fell for the astrology of Masterluc and thought he could rebuy at $1500 IIRC.

He over exposed himself with his buy gamble (effective long) and was terrified of losing fiat value.

He forgot 1 BTC = 1 BTC and for that he will always be a cautioning tale.

I agree.
Additionally, having some of your stash on exchanges during stress can cause an ''itchy fingers" phenomenon.
It happened to me in 2017, but I sold a small fraction (was listening to Vinny Lingham too much) during the fork debacle.
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OT: Oh look, another WEF conspiracy theory becomes reality.

Leave it to Canada to lead the charge. Color me shocked.

https://i.redd.it/473mmkjdiw691.jpg
https://twitter.com/EllisDon/status/1535293162221998083?cxt=HHwWhsCgheW_us4qAAAA
How is this relevant to the thread at all?
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Leave it to Canada to lead the charge. Color me shocked.

https://i.redd.it/473mmkjdiw691.jpg
https://twitter.com/EllisDon/status/1535293162221998083?cxt=HHwWhsCgheW_us4qAAAA
How is this relevant to the thread at all?

more than endless bloviation from certain individuals (or entities).
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OT: Oh look, another WEF conspiracy theory becomes reality.



People already eat snails and sea "bugs" like shrimp. They eat filter feeders like crayfish and mussels, which feed on the dirtiest, nastiest shit ever. Are land bugs that much worse though?

The problem is that the food industry has an allowed "earthen" percentage for shit like cockroaches and rats and now that they are allowed a certain amount they have decided to use that for profits rather than the tolerance that was gifted to them.

exactly!
we probably eat some insects inadvertently, but I surely don't want to have an insect "dish".
A thought occurred: if we, humans, would kill most of the 'world' at some point, the surviving species would most likely be birds.
I recently found that grackles (prominent here, looking very intense) are actually fully omnivorous creatures. Seem to be quite 'smart' as well.
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Bro got lyrical r@ped. I don't care what you and JJG think about someone's abilities.
Just shut the F up and clean the thread for others to enjoy. Enough of your "WHO WILL POST THE LONGER PARAGRAPHS" competition.
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You're not the only Hi-Q on WO for sure, but the only one bragging. Hi-Q, as some of us here are gifted with, needs according ethics to meet the social responsability which comes with it. Don't you agree?

Have you read the post that you quoted? Roll Eyes

Save your lecture for ImThour.  He is asking for this:  His forum account personal text absurdly insults the IQ of anyone who sees TA for what it is.  In case he ever changes his personal text, I snapshotted it with archive(dot)ph to record the context of my posts on this subject.  See above—there can be no question of my intentions.

ImThour is textbook Dunning-Kruger, plus remarkably rude.  I am just rubbing it in his face that someone smart says he’s full of nonsense.  Turnabout is fair play.

I disagree with your opinion of ethics and social responsibility.  However, I think that bragging about one’s IQ is gauche—and it reveals that there is not much to brag about.  By analogy, from the perspective of those who are >= 4 S.D. above mean, those who habitually brag about being in MENSA (>= ~2 S.D.) are like parvenus:  They boast of their millions in the presence of billionaires.

Billionaires don’t brag about their own wealth.  And I must note, I did not speak of my own intelligence:  It speaks for itself.

Sometimes, billionaires must swat down an uppity millionaire—or perhaps in this case a wannabe-millionaire.
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You're not the only Hi-Q on WO for sure, but the only one bragging. Hi-Q, as some of us here are gifted with, needs according ethics to meet the social responsability which comes with it. Don't you agree?

Have you read the post that you quoted? Roll Eyes

Save your lecture for ImThour.  He is asking for this:  His forum account personal text absurdly insults the IQ of anyone who sees TA for what it is.  He is textbook Dunning-Kruger, plus remarkably rude.  I am just rubbing it in his face that someone smart says he’s full of nonsense.  Turnabout is fair play.

I disagree with your opinion of ethics and social responsibility.  However, I think that bragging about one’s IQ is gauche—and it reveals that there is not much to brag about.  By analogy, from the perspective of those who are >= 4 S.D. above mean, those who habitually brag about being in MENSA (>= ~2 S.D.) are like parvenus:  They boast of their millions in the presence of billionaires.

Billionaires don’t show off being rich—except sometimes to swat down an uppity millionaire, or perhaps in this case a wannabe-millionaire.

Yeah.
You're not bragging directly, but "inverse" (repeatedly pointing at "low-IQ's"), as you used to do as your old avatar.
Following your example, like some richies constantly pointing at "low-earners" or "the poor".
Now you should know what i meant.

However, i respect any form of intelligence, but higher figures go along with responsibility, especially regarding humans, IMHO.

EDIT: Gotta run, tryin to catch some shots of the (famous) "north america nebula", as the cloudy sky seems to be clearing up RN.

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People already eat snails and sea "bugs" like shrimp. They eat filter feeders like crayfish and mussels, which feed on the dirtiest, nastiest shit ever. Are land bugs that much worse though?

The problem is that the food industry has an allowed "earthen" percentage for shit like cockroaches and rats and now that they are allowed a certain amount they have decided to use that for profits rather than the tolerance that was gifted to them.

exactly!
we probably eat some insects inadvertently, but I surely don't want to have an insect "dish".



We already eat food coloring made from insects, the food manufacturers just keep quiet about it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43786055

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If you are horrified by the thought of eating insects, the bad news is that you have probably done so many, many times.

This is because one of the most widely used red food colourings - carmine - is made from crushed up bugs.

The insects used to make carmine are called cochineal, and are native to Latin America where they live on cacti.

Now farmed mainly in Peru, millions of the tiny insects are harvested every year to produce the colouring.

A staple of the global food industry, carmine is added to everything from yoghurts and ice creams, to fruit pies, soft drinks, cupcakes and donuts.

It is also used extensively in the cosmetics industry and is found in many lipsticks.

However, eating "crunchy critters" is a step too far for me.

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OT: Oh look, another WEF conspiracy theory becomes reality.



People already eat snails and sea "bugs" like shrimp. They eat filter feeders like crayfish and mussels, which feed on the dirtiest, nastiest shit ever. Are land bugs that much worse though?

The problem is that the food industry has an allowed "earthen" percentage for shit like cockroaches and rats and now that they are allowed a certain amount they have decided to use that for profits rather than the tolerance that was gifted to them.

exactly!
we probably eat some insects inadvertently, but I surely don't want to have an insect "dish".
A thought occurred: if we, humans, would kill most of the 'world' at some point, the surviving species would most likely be birds.
I recently found that grackles (prominent here, looking very intense) are actually fully omnivorous creatures. Seem to be quite 'smart' as well.


We already eat food coloring made from insects, the food manufacturers just keep quiet about it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43786055

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If you are horrified by the thought of eating insects, the bad news is that you have probably done so many, many times.

This is because one of the most widely used red food colourings - carmine - is made from crushed up bugs.

The insects used to make carmine are called cochineal, and are native to Latin America where they live on cacti.

Now farmed mainly in Peru, millions of the tiny insects are harvested every year to produce the colouring.

A staple of the global food industry, carmine is added to everything from yoghurts and ice creams, to fruit pies, soft drinks, cupcakes and donuts.

It is also used extensively in the cosmetics industry and is found in many lipsticks.

yick, Thanks!
In my mind it is somehow different from getting a dish made of crickets, though.
Objectively, not much difference, perhaps.
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However, eating "crunchy critters" is a step too far for me.

It would take some getting used to but considering where most of our food (particularly animal-based) originates, this seems quite benign. You're getting pretty much what the package says, not a mix of giblets and dead rats masquerading as "meat product".
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If bugs were giant, like 2+ meters tall. Would we still be squeamish about eating them? Or would we hold them like farm animals?
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When he was about x10 from his entry price he feared to lose more, so he sold everything but 1 BTC (IIRC, which i often doubt, hence my meaningful nickname).

At the time, mindrust said that he dumped all of his BTC.  All!  He explicitly called himself a nocoiner.

I jinxed myself by quoting this the day before I suffered my second and third liquidations.

I am out of my position from 4550USD.

Few moments later it went from 4000 to 4800 after I sold.

I am a nocoiner now.

Only lost $2k from my initial investment but who knows how much I lost from my future profits.

I just deleted every signature gain, every fork gain I got.


Some worthy ethics there? I guess so. I hope they didn't vanish over time.
You know, one of the main reasons why mindrust pulled out was greed. He aimed at some high amount of $ per BTC, he said he would never sell below that. [...addressed above...]
This sets you apart from mindrust, though, only if the (true) motivation for your leveraged long position wasn't greed.
I agree, mindrust's goal was always to increase his fiat stash and that is the trap he fell into.

[...]

He forgot 1 BTC = 1 BTC and for that he will always be a cautioning tale.

My motive was greed:  Greed for BTC, not for fiat!  How many times need I say that I calculate PnL in BTC?  (Do the TA-junkie wannabe pro traders in WO know what PnL is? Roll Eyes)

One of my favourite price sites, which I have linked several times, is this:  https://usdsat.com/

The inviolate rule of my life is that 1 BTC = 1 BTC.  I have kept that rule sacred.  My problem is that I shorted the dollar; and in the liquidator bot’s opinion, dollars have recently increased in value against BTC.

I have never bought BTC with the intention of “aiming at some high amount of $ per BTC”.  Never!

When I first came to Bitcoin, it was for pure idealism.  I didn’t even want to have money that increased in value—just as long as it didn’t decrease in value like inflationary fiat scrip.  I idealize price-stable money:  My ideal money lets you work for an amount that would buy one loaf of bread today, put the money in your wallet, and then spend it for one loaf of bread next year—or in ten years.  Want more?  Work more.

I did not come to Bitcoin to get rich.  If I had been thinking that way, I would now be rich:  I could have bought a whale-sized chunk for a song, (undisclosed) years ago!

OOM, your lectures on “ethics” are presumptuous.  Thanks duly for your well-wishes, but I am not subject to your judgment.  You are prating with sanctimonious drivel to someone who has repeatedly lost or rejected financial opportunities by being too principled.  My whole life, I have been like that.  Recently, in the past few years, I have been slowly trying to change:  To become a “ruthless mercenary capitalist”, as I called it in a recent post here.  For it is awful to lack for money—you do not know how bad it is, unless you have personally experienced severe poverty and privation.  Hunger is the best teacher of selfishness.  Now, I want to get rich!  With no shame and no apologies, I have been trying bit by bit to embrace rational self-interest.  Finally.  Alas, in this most recent episode, I have been spectacularly untalented at exercising my newfound greed.

In the same vein, I was holding BTC for years before perpetually experiencing its “number go up” properties finally seduced me into a desire for “number go up”.  BTC is infectious that way.  At that point, it was way too late for me to get “Bitcoin rich” for cheap.  Before that, I was basically just using a BTC wallet as an ordinary checking/savings account—not even thinking about it as an investment.  Before that, I used this forum for years without ever venturing into the Speculation board (let alone WO).

Even after Bitcoin effectually corrupted my morals to start speculating on its future value, my intention is and consistently has been to accumulate BTC, hold it, use it as money, invest BTC to make more BTC, and maybe someday exchange a portion for gold.  Gold, yes—central bank shitcoins, no.  I do not want so-called “profit” in fiat currencies that I despise in principle—not any more than I need to maintain my very simple lifestyle, with which I am content.  I do not want a Lambo.  If I ever feel like I have an excess of spending money, then I should like to upgrade my computers, and perhaps buy some more books.  When I have recuperated enough BTC to regain financial security, I will thenceforth continue accumulating BTC as an end in itself—for the love of Bitcoin.  Obviously, if I love it, I should want more of it for myself.  My previous errors on that point have been corrected by watching traders, moonboys, and degens have more BTC than I do.

Some of those here who are equating me to mindrust seem to have missed most of my posts; no one has an obligation to read my long posts, but one should read before opining.  Others may be passively-aggressively insulting me.

The only logical point of comparison between mindrust and me is that we both lost BTC in a crash:  He threw his away, while I clung to mine for dear life as the liquidator bot closed in.  I foredoomed myself to that with some foolish choices a few months ago, but I certainly did not voluntarily choose it.
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If bugs were giant, like 2+ meters tall. Would we still be squeamish about eating them? Or would we hold them like farm animals?

It would be just another cow, prime meat. Anything 2 meters tall would have its muscle structure like any other mammal. Yummy.
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I agree, mindrust's goal was always to increase his fiat stash and that is the trap he fell into.

[...]

He forgot 1 BTC = 1 BTC and for that he will always be a cautioning tale.

My motive was greed:  Greed for BTC, not for fiat!  How many times need I say that I calculate PnL in BTC?  (Do the TA-junkie wannabe pro traders in WO know what PnL is? Roll Eyes)

One of my favourite price sites, which I have linked several times, is this:  https://usdsat.com/

The inviolate rule of my life is that 1 BTC = 1 BTC.  I have kept that rule sacred.  My problem is that I shorted the dollar; and in the liquidator bot’s opinion, dollars have recently increased in value against BTC.

I have never bought BTC with the intention of “aiming at some high amount of $ per BTC”.  Never!

When I first came to Bitcoin, it was for pure idealism.  I didn’t even want to have money that increased in value—just as long as it didn’t decrease in value like inflationary fiat scrip.  I idealize price-stable money:  My ideal money lets you work for an amount that would buy one loaf of bread today, put the money in your wallet, and then spend it for one loaf of bread next year—or in ten years.  Want more?  Work more.

I did not come to Bitcoin to get rich.  If I had been thinking that way, I would now be rich:  I could have bought a whale-sized chunk for a song, (undisclosed) years ago!






Jesus Christ man take a step back from that fucking keyboard!

Where the fuck in my post did I mention YOU!!!
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If bugs were giant, like 2+ meters tall. Would we still be squeamish about eating them? Or would we hold them like farm animals?

Lobster’s the size of cadillacs comes to mind.😀
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