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I should be more open minded by something in-between, like $35K to $40K "fair price" prior to a re-test of $25K or similar, but I simply don't buy it yet. It's what most are expecting.

I cannot really battle very much with anything that you are saying, even if I might frame some of the facts differently or describe some of the price ranges/timelines in different ways, but largely we are coming to similar conclusions that still causes me to want to highlight that many of us likely realize that we can describe most plausible theories and taking into account various dynamics that are caused when bears (for example) might run out of ammunition because they spend so much goddamned time defending $25k.. so they may well NOT have any (or enough) ammunition left to engage in any further defense, until the price moves UPpity for a while.. and so we can appreciate that those kinds of dynamics remain similar to a lot of markets that have a kind of "free market" battle while at the same time, not necessarily knowing that there could be some entities that might have some ace in the hole that they are not showing until such time that the know that it can be effectively played in order to make the less likely scenario to end up playing out.. even though that "less likely scenario" was starting to seem like it had a snowball chance in hell of happening. .and then it ends up happening.. surprise!!!!!! 

Did anyone know it or was it just a coincidence that the "ace in the hole" ended up working when the other three previous "aces in the hole" that had been played at earlier points had not been effective... so in that sense, many of us know (who have been watching this space for a while) likely realize that minority scenarios can end up playing out, even if they really were minority scenarios, and that is why we do not overly hedge or bet the farm on scenarios that we might even assign abrazingly high odds - if it is even possible to come up with something like 80% odds, the 4% scenario could still end up playing out and then the 4% scenario ends up becoming the 100% scenario because it had already happened.. when we thought it was almost a done deal that the 80% scenario was going to play out.

It's also too rational for my liking and suits the masses, whereas Bitcoin's price is a lot more irrational, especially when the trend reverses.

ditto dat.

In early 2019, the 200-Week moving average was in the lower $3ks, so we had not even breached below the 200-week moving average during that time.. even though we had touched upon it for several months.. .. so maybe a bit of different extreme.. even though maybe there still can be some solace in terms of where we are at now with in the ball park of 60% UPpity (seeming recovery) and seeming ongoing and continuous UPwards price pressures.. and/or failure/refusals to get any significant/meaningful corrections.. even though we did get a 12% correction last week and a bounce back this week...
In hindsight, the 200 Week MA has only ever been useful after a parabolic blow-off top within a 4 year cycle. It's the "return to the norm" you could say. Without that, I'd argue it doesn't serve much purpose apart from telling you what 4 years-ish of DCA would achieve. Also as a reminder, it didn't serve as support on the way down, nor resistance when reclaimed, so will it really act as resistance this time around?

Could be true... even though on a personal level I am still likely (or at least tending) going to be using that frame work as a working bottom for my own framing of how I want to treat my own portfolio.. and I don't make short term trading of these kinds of indicators/perceived dynamics anyhow except maybe coming to some realization that I might need to take money out of the (not for bitcoin cash funds) to buy more BTC.. even though I cannot really specify if the exact "new point," if any in which I might want to draw new lines for potential future crashes or if there might be some other portfolio management changes that I might want to make.. but I am not necessarily opposed to discounting the 200-week moving average based on some of the considerations that you mentioned, but I doubt that I am going to throw it out in any kind of meaningful way because there is a lot more data on the 200-week moving data at this point (even in other markets/asset classes), and so yeah, maybe there might be some value to use the 260 week moving average or the 312 week moving average, and I have almost no desires to plow new paths - since a lot of my own behaviors when it comes to bitcoin and portfolio management are largely ballpark plays kind of plays (or BIG swing kinds of plays) rather than anything in which I am (or anticipate that I would be) changing my own behaviors very much based on whether I might refer to some other longer moving average as an indicator.. and especially since I had not even considered tthe 200week moving average as inviolable either.. merely because I was referring to it as a bottom, I already appreciated that it was at best maybe a 70% bottom rather than 100%.. especially once we are there.. there may well be everyone and his grandma buying at that stage, but once you are there, it does not mean that it could not be penetrated merely because it had not penetrated it so far... blah blah blah.   

So one thing is if we are floating around the 100-week moving average for 6 months and then revisiting the 100 week moving average several times, then we might start to think that even that might not be violable to the downside. .and so at that point, going below the 200-week moving average might well look like a less than 20% odds when there are long term difficulties to get below the 100-week moving average.. but then when the BTC price penetrates the 100-week support and goes way below it .. it starts to approach the 200-week moving average and the odds change. .the closer we get to the 200-week moving average oin the way down then the less confidence that we should have that it will hold, even if we still consider the odds to be good that it will not get penetrated.. but surely nothing is 100%.. especially if there might even be some ways that seemingly "blackswans" could end up happening, and then why do we keep having "blackswans" every year?  They must not be "as black" as we had previously perceived/speculated them to have had been?

Personally I'd say the resistance is simply $25K. It's breaking the double top structure that is currently in play with a higher high. 200 Week MA is simply noise right now imo.

Could be.

Doesn't really matter that much to me.  I am going to keep referring to the 200 week moving average as a reference point until something else might seem to be better.  It is really easy to find various graphs about the 200 week moving average and it is also great to see some other analyst discuss it, and PlanB had been using it too.. so even if people do not like PlanB, I like some of his uses of the 200-week moving average, even though I used to criticize him too from tome to time in his acting as if some of his claims were inevitable (or at least seeming to assign too high of probabilities to them), but yeah, maybe even if PlanB or some variation of the Stock-To-Flow would need to come out to adjust the various curves downwardly, I think it is way fucking better to be attempting to work with existing historical frameworks rather than completely throwing out old frameworks merely because they have some short term violations of them that have not exactly been accounted for.. beyond just saying that none of the squigglies on chart are going to stop violations of the squigglies (whether the violations were purposeful or coincidental  and maybe just goes to show that there remains considerable weaknesses in placing 90% odds on scenarios that are ONLY 80%, if that.

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My only criticism is that  I'd get distracted while trying to concentrate on my peeing performance...

That's how I feel.  It's difficult to pee/piss when you are being watched, and in the modern world, and drug tests, many of us may have had to go through situations in which there need to be some live "verification" that you are really providing the sample.. so maybe the more that you do it, the easier it gets, and some guys do not have pee-problems...

So for some of us who might have some difficulties pee/piss - ing while being scrutinized, then we just have to drink more and more and more beverages to cause ourselves to nearly have exploding bladders before we are able to pee/piss while being scruitinized.
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China and Russia are going to be the 2 major whale producers in the coming bull run in my view even in the current market maximum manipulation of China favored them.

If you consider the current timeline China is going for quantitive easing not sure how the market will behave but it can impact Bitcoin investment capital directly as China is 3rd largest economy...
Some good vibes are coming from such rumors.
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put shots of men checking out womens genitals in a lady's toilet and you would get an international shitstorm of wokeness

Dude you are sounding like you are a woke masculinist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculism

When did the term "woke masculinist" get created? I hope you are being sarcastic, because that is one of the most idiotic terms I have ever heard. Imagine trying to insult a man by calling him masculine, lol.
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One thing almost no one is expecting:

In early-mid 2019 we did 4.45X from the low of $3.1K.
If the same repeats, 15.7KX4.45=69.89...boom, roughly equal to prior ATH....in 2023!

More realistically, 61.8% Fib recovery from 15.7K brings us to ((68.9-15.7)X0.618)+15.7=48.6K
Judging by current trajectory, I feel that 48.6K is more probable than not, and 68-69K-a long shot (in 2023).
In any case, it would probably decline somewhat from there and be at ~40K at the halving.

EDIT: Apparently, @dragonvslinux already posted these types of numbers on btctalk EARLIER (sorry, I did not check beforehand since i rarely look at the other threads these days):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440568.0
he also have a nice graph there...
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put shots of men checking out womens genitals in a lady's toilet and you would get an international shitstorm of wokeness

Dude you are sounding like you are a woke masculinist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculism

When did the term "woke masculinist" get created? I hope you are being sarcastic, because that is one of the most idiotic terms I have ever heard. Imagine trying to insult a man by calling him masculine, lol.

Dude it is the exact term as woke feminist.

Other than the gender of course.

Which was my point. Fuck both of them woke mother fuckers

male and female .
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put shots of men checking out womens genitals in a lady's toilet and you would get an international shitstorm of wokeness

Dude you are sounding like you are a woke masculinist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculism

When did the term "woke masculinist" get created? I hope you are being sarcastic, because that is one of the most idiotic terms I have ever heard. Imagine trying to insult a man by calling him masculine, lol.

Dude it is the exact term as woke feminist.

Other than the gender of course.

Which was my point. Fuck both of them woke mother fuckers

male and female .

Honestly, if i see something like this in a men's bathroom, I would just smile and move on, albeit it is a bit ridiculous.
BTW, did you know that penis size has recently increased (apparently 24% since 1942)?
Check out those Renaissance sculptures...not much 'equipment' to talk about.
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When did the term "woke masculinist" get created? I hope you are being sarcastic, because that is one of the most idiotic terms I have ever heard. Imagine trying to insult a man by calling him masculine, lol.

Well it makes it easy to figure out who the Misandrists are. Cheesy

Need do a new word for the woke man hater karen types, any suggestions?

I find when you laugh in their faces and then act as if they don't exist it pisses them off more than anything.



Dude it is the exact term as woke feminist.

Other than the gender of course.

Which was my point. Fuck both of them woke mother fuckers

male and female .

I have a whole problem with this "woke" terminology.

We always used Wake up and woke to mean realize that the Government has made you a wage slave.

Now they have redefined it to pit everyone against each other.

It never had any meaning about gender or social crap at all while I was growing up until recently when they started labeling liberals as woke.


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I think they intentionally tried to misdirect the term "WOKE" because too many were waking up and it scared the living fuck out of them so they twisted it to mean something else.



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One thing almost no one is expecting:
In early-mid 2019 we did 4.45X from the low of $3.1K.
If the same repeats, 15.7KX4.45=69.89...boom, roughly equal to prior ATH....in 2023!

More realistically, 61.8% Fib recovery from 15.7K brings us to ((68.9-15.7)X0.618)+15.7=48.6K
Judging by current trajectory, I feel that 48.6K is more probable than not, and 68-69K-a long shot (in 2023).
In any case, it would probably decline somewhat from there and be at ~40K at the halving.

I come to similar conclusions as you Biodom in terms of the upper bounds of an UPpity explosive move but for reasons that are a wee bit different than yours.  What else is new, right?

hahahahahaha

I would suggest that there could be a kind of upper bounds to this upward trend into the $45k to $55k price area partly based on changing dynamics that occur once BTC prices start to approach previous ATH arenas.. .. which has sometimes been referred to as no man's zone.. so there is a kind of range that might be between about $55k and $90k that encompass the previous ATH in which there is not very much resistance because of a kind of FOMO/momentum dynamic are however the fuck that we want to refer to that area in which the price becomes likely to easily pass through.. and sure, even having such historical dynamics in bitcoin, does not cause getting completely through no man's land to become "inevitable" because nothing is inevitable in bitcoin except perhaps price volatility.. but surely the direction of such volatility is not inevitable.

The closest thing that we have to inevitable in bitcoin remains its volatility with no guarantees of either direction.

We all already know that, right?  Except for the dimmed-witted twats - who also seem to suggest - that "stability" or "slow and gradually" applies to BTC prices, which it does not.  We likely realize that slow and gradually could still apply to how do we prepare ourselves in regards to the likely inevitable BTC price volatility, which is our own "stability" in our management of our BTC holdings and our own "slow and gradually" in terms of our own ongoing accumulation and maintenance of our BTC stash.  We should not be trying to manage our BTC stash with any kinds of levels of extremist behaviors - even if we know that the price dynamics aspects of the little bitch (aka my lil precious) is filled with such seeminlgy somewhat unpredictable and extremist behaviors.

Fuck both of them woke mother fuckers

male and female .

Wow!!!!

You sound bitter.

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Listen to/watch this little tune in order to cheer up ur moo.

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BTC can do anything as a boyfriend in love but check what happens next to it.
Haha On your side price dropping ohh noo but look at it here i am sure its quite hard to bear but there is no other option.
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much better! I like how you have the hair in front of the girl, not just a reverse image!.. I was going to the mention the legs should have been straighter, but that is fixed now!

maybe a Sparta outfit for the guy would also blend in nicely!

 Not a bad idea.


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