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That reminds me.. has anyone heard of TrustedBitcoiner?
Should I of heard of them? Who or what is trustedbitcoiner?

I would suggest that TrustedBitcoiner has a decent number of characteristics as a disingenuine troll; however, he had also provided some seemingly personal information that suggested that he might actually be engaging in the BTC trades that he claims to be engaging in.  You should be able to see most of his post history in this thread, unless he deletes some or all of his posts, then you would have to go by the various points in which his posts were quoted by other members.

I suppose that he became a bit more irritating and outwardly self-righteous towards the beginning of the year when he said that he had shorted a little over $17k and suggested that it was a "sure bet" blah blah blah down before up bullshit, and at first, he said that he was expecting the BTC price to go down to unspecified points, but then he said that he was going to re-enter the trade around $16.7k.. and then when the trade did not seem to be going his way, he said that he would reenter at $16.9k.. and then thereafter the BTC price kept going up, and he kept asserting (whether true or not) that he kept entering shorts because for sure the BTC price would go down at some point.. blah blah blah.. famous last words, no?

I doubt that he is going to go away, because at some point (perhaps when the BTC price dips 10% or something.. if it does) that dweeb is likely to come back in and say "I told you so." I made a killing and blah blah blah, you should have listened to me.

Don't get me wrong.. I am not completely against trading, but I find it a bit irritating when guys seem to be talking their book. .and assigning way higher odds to one direction over another that does not really seem to be based on much beyond either their books or perhaps a feeling they have or some nonsense that they might have gotten from some other supposed expert.

There surely are some guys/gal in here who may well assign seemingly higher than reasonable odds to one direction or another, and when either they admit that they are personally biased or that are not overly arrogant about their approach, then it is less annoying for me, and I don't even necessarily need to agree with some of the guys/gal, and surely, any of us can have our ego get in the way or that we might go overboard in some of our criticisms of the approach of other members. and some members are able to discuss through their approach, and sometimes even if we disagree, there are some members who are stubborn as fuck, and if they are actually following the approach that they advocate, at least it becomes harder to proclaim that they are being disingenuine... or that they are not a real person, so I don't really have as much problem when guys are merely stubborn.... and maybe TrustedBitcoiner might reform his ways.. I am not completely sure.. cannot really know.. I mean there are members who I have come to appreciate their point of view, and the points that they raise, even when I don't agree but I get the sense that they are either genuinely working through their approach and sometimes tweaking their approach or even admitting that they had overly allocated towards a position that might have been gambling rather than investing.. and sure if you admit that you are gambling, then don't be trying to present it as if it is broadly applicable..because that is irritating to be seeing those kinds of presentations that seem to likely fit better in shitcoiner-world or the delusional aspects of fiatlandia..

Many of us make several mistakes, misjudge the direction or the degree of the price moves in bitcoin, and sometimes might even have some poor security practices, and hopefully, we are still able to figure out ways to share and/or to debate information because admittedly it sometimes can take a while to change some of our practices, and there are changes in the industry too... or some kinds of developments in which some of us might not have realized how much risks we had been taking or maybe even how some of the risks of people in our lives, relationships we have or even business partners might end up dragging us into situations in which we had not realized how many risks that we were taking..

Let's say for example that in early 2021 I have $12k that I could either invest into bitcoin (or maybe I already have the $12k in bitcoin) or I could lend it to a friend (relative) or someone I thought was responsible... and I know that the person already has something like 4 BTC, they showed me there various "account balances," and I have no reason not to trust the person to be good for their word.. and they have good reasons for the loan such as wanting to make home improvements and not wanting to sell their BTC while the price is down.. and they would rather go through me than to go through a bank for convenience.. and because they have other assets and enough cashflow to service any loan that I would give them, even if I were to loan them twice as much... at the time that we are discussing the loan the BTC price is $40k, and the equity in their various assets are worth around similar amounts of maybe $120k or more...and I conclude that the best way to manage my own liquidity and balances is to sell some of my BTC so that I can give the loan.

Thus, I feel that I am going to be nice, and then I am ONLY going to charge 6% interest on the loan. or maybe even lower.. and spread the payments over 4-5 years ..and the person tells me that they likely will pay me back more quickly than the period of the loan... .. so maybe a year goes by and the person is making regular payments and there are no surprises or red flags, and then one day the friend, tells me that all of their BTC accounts had blown up, so they no longer have any BTC because they were earning yield on FTX and some other places that were even less reliable than FTX and they made some other mistakes too that caused their BTC balances to go to zero with little likelihood of recovery, and then I realize that there is almost no way I am getting the remainder of that loan money back because that person has hardly any way to pay based on current circumstances -  especially when they are inside of such difficulties and maybe even some of their cashflow is not working out so well either, and sure they might get some of their BTC back down the road.. and things were looking all rosy at the time that I had lent the money.. and then I also might realize that I gave the person too much of a pass.. and maybe I should have been more careful or I should have taken some BTC collateral.. so mistakes can be made in terms of whether to take collateral or how to manage or assess or own risks.
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The EU has legalized putting these bugs in foods:



https://www.bvl.bund.de/SharedDocs/Fachmeldungen/01_lebensmittel/2023/2023_01_25_Fa_Getreideschimmelkaefer.html

They need to be listed on the ingredients so that people allergic to it can avoid them.
Better get yourself a looking glass to read the 4pt fineprint on your next trip to the grocery.

* psycodad heads back to his mealworm yoghurt, sipping on his cricket tea and celebrating the great advance we make in fighting climate change...




By the way your strawberry flavored yoghurt has probably already got insects in it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-43786055

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If you are horrified by the thought of eating insects, the bad news is that you have probably done so many, many times.

This is because one of the most widely used red food colourings - carmine - is made from crushed up bugs.

The insects used to make carmine are called cochineal, and are native to Latin America where they live on cacti.

Now farmed mainly in Peru, millions of the tiny insects are harvested every year to produce the colouring.

A staple of the global food industry, carmine is added to everything from yoghurts and ice creams, to fruit pies, soft drinks, cupcakes and donuts.

It is also used extensively in the cosmetics industry and is found in many lipsticks.
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Getting closer to next fed bump.

It is due on Jan 31 - Feb 1.  Tues or Weds next week.

I have to think we get the 25 point bump.

Should be interesting to see next few days and the current 23k number.
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That reminds me.. has anyone heard of TrustedBitcoiner?
Should I of heard of them? Who or what is trustedbitcoiner?

I would suggest that TrustedBitcoiner has a decent number of characteristics as a disingenuine troll; however, he had also provided some seemingly personal information that suggested that he might actually be engaging in the BTC trades that he claims to be engaging in.  You should be able to see most of his post history in this thread, unless he deletes some or all of his posts, then you would have to go by the various points in which his posts were quoted by other members.

I suppose that he became a bit more irritating and outwardly self-righteous towards the beginning of the year when he said that he had shorted a little over $17k and suggested that it was a "sure bet" blah blah blah down before up bullshit, and at first, he said that he was expecting the BTC price to go down to unspecified points, but then he said that he was going to re-enter the trade around $16.7k.. and then when the trade did not seem to be going his way, he said that he would reenter at $16.9k.. and then thereafter the BTC price kept going up, and he kept asserting (whether true or not) that he kept entering shorts because for sure the BTC price would go down at some point.. blah blah blah.. famous last words, no?

Countinual dumb ass actions.

selling BTC near the bottom to buy back lower is a very risky strategy.... if you can even call it that...
...especially if you won't buy back in again at higher prices should they come

I learned my lesson in 2015

just remember that even small amounts you lose today could be a small fortune in 8-10 years



Guaranteed this account will be abandoned and he'll be broke within the year.
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What about your recommendation for d_eddie?  D_eddie told us to HODL...

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* psycodad ... celebrating the great advance we make in fighting climate change...


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Is that how they make Grolsch? Always tasted like metallic piss to me.




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Is that how they make Grolsch? Always tasted like metallic piss to me.

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I myself have never tasted metallic piss before, but I’ll take your word for it… Wink
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Interesting that you mention this.  Actually, I only registered to this forum to write my opinion on the fork, in 2017.
....guess who was the guy posting right after me.. you  Cheesy

Before that I was just reading the WO, for years.
But in 2017 the times were crazy, and for the first time I felt the urge to share my opinion fwiw.

Well that's a pretty decent first post, even though I might not have had completely agreed with your tone of "let the best fork win," "no BIG deal tone," even though ultimately it is not really incorrect... and there surely were BTC HODLers who were panicking way more then either you or me at the time... .. and some BTC HODLers were betting quite BIG on the other horse.. and some were just nervous... which surely, I am not going to proclaim that I was not nervous, even though I largely did not change too much in what I was doing in terms of my strategy to attempt to continue to prepare myself financially and psychologically for either price direction.

By the way, it can take a while for any of the somewhat potential histories of the various members to kind of form a picture in terms of what was their personal journey, which surely causes me to consider that I am going to have some better ideas regarding who's Island that I might want to request visiting, when my 0.21 BTC is able to buy me a yacht.. hahahaha..

And, by the way, my picture of you in my head is still kind of formulated by some of the seeming panicking that you had been doing from time to time, and even seeming bearish and pessimistic outlook that stuck in my head in regards to "why is that guy whining so much about the BTC price?.. it is what it is.. and why he does he keep 'overly assigning visions' of down that might or might not happen?"  I remember those kind of interactions with you... during some portions of the 2018 correction and maybe even during the corrections that were happening in late 2019, too... just caused me to consider that you might have weak hands, whether you were directly saying otherwise or not.


I just corrected my 1st post to avoid dreams of islands...
Not every early one became a Croesus. Just ask philipma1957 (if we can take his word for granted)

Why should I have panicked about forks?  They are an essential part of the functionality of BTC and a kind of democratic safety mechanism.
Yes, my 1st post comes off very laid back, because I think the community heavily lacked some ease back then, and I felt the need to share some of my relaxed view.

Regarding your "picture of me in your head" and "my" negativity in 2018 or 2019, you are surely confusing me with somebody else, because I wasn't active in the forum in the three years between 2017 and 2021 (apart from one single post about Karpeles)

The small negativity I might have in bear markets, is due to the fact that I'm weak to paper losses.  But I clearly don't have weak hands:  the last time I sold BTC was in 2015.  
After that I merely sold free forks and airdrops.
... I can only hope that dumb people pump forks and airdrops again like back in 2017/18...  nothing more yummy than free money  Grin




It's a common journey for a lot of newbies to get caught up in that kind of a reasoning.  I remember in early 2021, I was talking to this girl/young lady who had a decent job (not really paid the greatest, but what else is new?, she had some decent education and smarts about the world and seemed to be interested in the kinds of bitcoin-related things that I was talking about with her) in her mid-to-late 20s about bitcoin over several months and she seemed to be getting what is bitcoin and understanding the investment thesis and how bitcoin was different from other projects/coins, and then I had not seen her or talked with her for several months.. except maybe superficially sharing some texts.. but nothing too deeply involved or related to bitcoin... and then at some point, maybe something like mid 2021.. she was all of a sudden deeply down the path of Chia mining or something like that... I mean holy shit.. she just went off the deep end fairly quickly, and I kind of lost touch with her somewhere in that process in which she was not hearing/listening to anything that I said because she seemed to have had developed her own decently strong point of view that was not making a lot of sense to me and seemed like she might had gotten involved in somethings related to that.. I am not really sure.. I lost touch.. and sometimes, I cannot bring myself to reach out and check.. and she is not reaching out to me.. so it is hard to know how things play out sometimes with some people that we might meet or talk with within a certain kind of context.. .


maybe just contact her... from what I read she's much younger than you.  
And right after a bear markets carnage it seems to be an appropriate time to check and ask everyone if they are doing ok, no?




I am sure that I have influences over people too.. but surely there is variance in terms of what kind of influences, and sometimes where any of us might be in our lives in terms of our situation and if our audience might be able to relate their situation to our situation.  I have a lot of folks telling me how great I am in regards to bitcoin, and they should have listened to me at various points in history... and then I tell them, well get the fuck started now,  bitcoin's investment thesis is not weaker now as compared to when we spoke earlier (several years ago or whatever), and so many people are just talk...in terms of saying "I should have listened to you," and there have been several times that I cannot even remember the conversation, so we spend a decent amount of time to pinpoint memories as to when I would have said the thing about bitcoin to them that they remember... so yeah, I had an influence upon them remembering that they should have listened to me, but whatever I had said did not cause them to act in the direction that I had suggested which largely has not changed over the years.. which largely can be summarized as: "get the fuck started, sooner rather than later."... of course, some nuances, but that's the general punchline.. also "The choice and the way you go about it is ultimately yours and don't come crying to me if you lose money...". hahahahahaha


Most people interested into Bitcoin I dealt with already had the feeling of needing BTC in one way or the other.  I think that helps big time.
Also when talking to peeps I learned not to tell them "you can (still) buy", or something similar.  It's seems to be very important not to give many hints or even ideas on what they should do with their money.  Such ideas have to come entirely from them.
Much on the contrary, it is sometimes even accelerates the conversion, if you try to talk them out of investing in BTC   Grin

 


Let's just face it.   The punchline is that either you are just more successful in converting peeps than this here cat, or you have different perspective of the world and the receptivities of the normies (including your supposed success rate) as compared to my perspective...

I am not suggesting that I am giving up merely because I hardly seem to have any success rate, and a bunch of folks diverge off into shitcoins or do dumb shit that is no where even close to what I had been suggesting that they do or how they approach lillie fiends... and ultimately I know that there are some folks in the real world who are more receptive than others in terms of sometimes they might already be inclined towards bitcoin when I meet them or find out about their interests in bitcoin, so I am not going to necessarily rule out the fact that some folks might end up tipping into bitcoin because of some interactions that they had with me in the real world.

That reminds me that I bumped into this guy in the street a couple of days ago, and I did not know him prior to that, but he surely was talkative.  He was probably in his late 60s and did not seem to be very rich or anything (so maybe a kind of early pensioner? or living off of social security? I did not ask).. and he was saying somethings that I did not completely agree with, but I was not finding him offensive or anything, and mostly I listened to a variety of his gripes, and I probably ended up talking with the guy for an hour or so.  The topic of bitcoin did not come up, and I was thinking that there could have been various places in our back and forth about living, family relations, politics, how expensive things were, government bureaucrats... blah blah blah..  that I might have mentioned bitcoin to him and then took the conversation in that direction to at least find out if he had ever heard of bitcoin and how it relates (or fixes) some of his concerns... but then I did not raise the topic.. and so in that sense, I was not influential in the bitcoin sense.. except for the fact that the guy started asking me a whole lot of somewhat personal questions, which caused me to believe that he liked me and he was being influenced by the way that I was responding to some of his ways of presenting topics... Towards the end of our conversation when I said I better get going because the sun is going down, he even asked me what kind of car he should buy (as a replacement to his current car).. hahahahaha?.. so we had a bit of back and forth about that topic, as a kind of bonus conversation topper part of our seemingly influential-potential discussion.


Maybe you are just not so vocal about you owning BTC  ....which is not the worst idea security-wise, depending on where you live and who is around you.
I only talk to people I feel secure around to talk to.  Principally I don't interact much with people with whom I sense the need for being cautious, as that's very exhausting energy-wise.
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that reminded me of this awful classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUtc4vcPfMk
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Morning WOers!

Speaking of nocoiner --> coiner conversions, y'day I was having dinner with an old friend (nocoiner). He asked me about the B-word and I jumped at the opportunity to educate him. I knew I had a chance when we got past the "too expensive" barrier. I think a new coiner is in the making--probably for the wrong reasons (i.e., trusting me, instead of understanding the beast), but he said he will work on that (ordered one of Antonopoulos' books right there in front of me). He is tech-literate, so he can do code and algorithms and stuff.

Guys and gals. We are all blessed. There's no need for toxicity and bitterness in WO. Enjoy you corn, do your DCA/BTFD, have fun, have lots of sex, spread the love (but always be OPSEC-aware).

Back to the Matrix...


nothing to blame though.. it can, and often will, take years to understand the "beast" ... not everyone is a M. Saylor
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that reminded me of this awful classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUtc4vcPfMk

Priceless! Lol
That dude looked about as dumb as a bag of hammers,
but he gave me my therapeutic chuckle for the day, so there is that.
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