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Author Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool  (Read 2030073 times)
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March 25, 2016, 03:33:35 PM
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Hi, kids!
Are you ready to rock&roll?

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March 26, 2016, 06:43:49 AM
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Sorry for this noob question.
I've been reading about this p2pool difficulty scaling issue. It said the more hash power being put in, the more harder it gets and by the time it is high enough, it will be like solo mining.

If this is the case, is there really nothing that could be done ?

It would be nice if there's a fix to this problem and maybe one day we can see p2pool global hashrate can reach maybe 100-200 Ph/s across all available node.

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March 26, 2016, 07:29:53 AM
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If you want to be a businessman you have to make a business. All of us have to put all his power to p2pool NOW! When you deside to connect to p2pool may be late. Time is very quickly thing.

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March 26, 2016, 07:58:57 AM
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I've been reading about this p2pool difficulty scaling issue. It said the more hash power being put in, the more harder it gets and by the time it is high enough, it will be like solo mining.
This applies to any variant of mining, including a solo.

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March 26, 2016, 08:37:10 AM
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I've been reading about this p2pool difficulty scaling issue. It said the more hash power being put in, the more harder it gets and by the time it is high enough, it will be like solo mining.
This applies to any variant of mining, including a solo.
Nonsense. Pooled mining is nothing like that, except in the case of p2pool.

Primary developer/maintainer for cgminer and ckpool/ckproxy.
Pooled mine at kano.is, solo mine at solo.ckpool.org
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March 26, 2016, 08:50:56 AM
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I've been reading about this p2pool difficulty scaling issue. It said the more hash power being put in, the more harder it gets and by the time it is high enough, it will be like solo mining.
This applies to any variant of mining, including a solo.
Nonsense. Pooled mining is nothing like that, except in the case of p2pool.

ck, could you kind enough to explain to me about this scaling issue, preferably in noob wording lol...

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March 26, 2016, 09:24:36 AM
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ck, could you kind enough to explain to me about this scaling issue, preferably in noob wording lol...
In a regular pool, the more hashrate the pool has, the less variation there is in each miner's payouts. In p2pool it is biphasic. Initially as the hashrate of the pool increases your variation decreases, and then as the hashrate gets larger again, variation starts increasing again. If all miners were on p2pool, it'd be like they were solo mining at 1/20th of the current network diff which would be horrific variation. It's one of the limitations of the p2pool design that's been talked about, thrashed out and debated about for years on end without a solution.

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Pooled mine at kano.is, solo mine at solo.ckpool.org
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March 26, 2016, 11:08:09 AM
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I have question to all forum member.
Why do you use p2pool if you don't want to make efforts.
Everyone knows that to be successful you need the power, but nobody wants to give. We have collected more 200Th, and you are left with p2pool. Look at the graph of power pool!
What happend? Tell me please!

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March 26, 2016, 11:36:20 AM
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I have question to all forum member.
Why do you use p2pool if you don't want to make efforts.
Everyone knows that to be successful you need the power, but nobody wants to give. We have collected more 200Th, and you are left with p2pool. Look at the graph of power pool!
What happend? Tell me please!

Don't you think it is better to ask your group first before you ask here lol?
the one that you list going to contribute around 1000 th/s ?

I've been seeing the p2pool hash is always around 500 - 1000 th/s for quite sometime even before you post this.
there's a spike of hash power increase yesterday but only like 12 hour duration and it drop again like usual. So where is this hash power that you are talking about.
Don't u think the global p2pool hash should be 1500++ th/s if its all goes to p2pool ?

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March 26, 2016, 01:25:03 PM
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Don't you think it is better to ask your group first before you ask here lol?
the one that you list going to contribute around 1000 th/s?

I've been seeing the p2pool hash is always around 500 - 1000 th/s for quite sometime even before you post this.
there's a spike of hash power increase yesterday but only like 12 hour duration and it drop again like usual. So where is this hash power that you are talking about.
Don't u think the global p2pool hash should be 1500++ th/s if its all goes to p2pool ?
On the forum, except some enthusiasts, the same talkers as here.
Goodbye.

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March 26, 2016, 01:41:18 PM
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I've been reading about this p2pool difficulty scaling issue. It said the more hash power being put in, the more harder it gets and by the time it is high enough, it will be like solo mining.
This applies to any variant of mining, including a solo.
Nonsense. Pooled mining is nothing like that, except in the case of p2pool.
What nonsense? Difficulty is increased not by all miners, but only by those who added the extra power. With increasing difficulty of the coin in any type of the pool, those who did not extend their power will receive a smaller payment.
And this situation is both in p2pools and in the regular pools and in solo mode. If you want to get more benefits or to stay in the same level - increase the power of your equipment.

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March 26, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
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ck, could you kind enough to explain to me about this scaling issue, preferably in noob wording lol...
In a regular pool, the more hashrate the pool has, the less variation there is in each miner's payouts. In p2pool it is biphasic. Initially as the hashrate of the pool increases your variation decreases, and then as the hashrate gets larger again, variation starts increasing again. If all miners were on p2pool, it'd be like they were solo mining at 1/20th of the current network diff which would be horrific variation. It's one of the limitations of the p2pool design that's been talked about, thrashed out and debated about for years on end without a solution.
Oh, how skillfully you mislead people. This statement is false, because those miners who did not increase their capacity with the increasing of the total power of the pool, will get fewer benefits in any system of charges.
At very high magnification power of a regular pool, there is a possibility that the weak miners (those who do not increase capacity) did not receive payments.
For example, if I will mine on your CKPool with the usual CPU this is the same thing as I tried solo mining.

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March 26, 2016, 02:06:40 PM
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ck, could you kind enough to explain to me about this scaling issue, preferably in noob wording lol...
In a regular pool, the more hashrate the pool has, the less variation there is in each miner's payouts. In p2pool it is biphasic. Initially as the hashrate of the pool increases your variation decreases, and then as the hashrate gets larger again, variation starts increasing again. If all miners were on p2pool, it'd be like they were solo mining at 1/20th of the current network diff which would be horrific variation. It's one of the limitations of the p2pool design that's been talked about, thrashed out and debated about for years on end without a solution.
Oh, how skillfully you mislead people. This statement is false, because those miners who did not increase their capacity with the increasing of the total power of the pool, will get fewer benefits in any system of charges.
At very high magnification power of a regular pool, there is a possibility that the weak miners (those who do not increase capacity) did not receive payments.
For example, if I will mine on your CKPool with the usual CPU this is the same thing as I tried solo mining.
Excuse me, but basically you seem to have no idea what you're talking about and it's hard to know if it's a language problem, ignorance or a combination of both. The solo pool I run is not regular pooled mining so it's pointless bringing that into the discussion. You asked for a simple explanation of why there's a scaling issue and I gave you the simplest possible explanation of what's wrong without describing at depth why. If you wish to understand further, please feel free to understand how pooled mining at other pools and p2pool work before arguing with me. I will not argue this further with you so feel free to have the final word which will make you feel like you've won the argument... until you educate yourself.

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March 26, 2016, 06:38:48 PM
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I've been reading about this p2pool difficulty scaling issue. It said the more hash power being put in, the more harder it gets and by the time it is high enough, it will be like solo mining.
This applies to any variant of mining, including a solo.
Nonsense. Pooled mining is nothing like that, except in the case of p2pool.
What nonsense? Difficulty is increased not by all miners, but only by those who added the extra power. With increasing difficulty of the coin in any type of the pool, those who did not extend their power will receive a smaller payment.
And this situation is both in p2pools and in the regular pools and in solo mode. If you want to get more benefits or to stay in the same level - increase the power of your equipment.
Your statements about rising difficulty decreasing your expected earnings are accurate.  However, what you are missing is that because of the design of p2pool, the higher the hashrate of the pool, the more variance you as a miner will experience.  This is completely the opposite of what happens in a more "traditional" pool.

The formula for finding a share on p2pool follows exactly the same probabilisitic distribution as solving a block of bitcoin.  The simplified version of the formula is:
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Difficulty * 2^32 / hashrate = time
As you can see, the higher the difficulty, the longer it's going to take you to find a share if your hash rate remains a constant.  This translates directly into you as a miner seeing higher variance because it becomes harder and harder for you to find a share.

As Con correctly points out, if every single miner in the world suddenly started mining on p2pool then it would be very similar to each miner solo mining a coin roughly 1/20 the difficulty of Bitcoin.

Jonny's Pool - Mine with us and help us grow!  Support a pool that supports Bitcoin, not a hardware manufacturer's pockets!  No SPV cheats.  No empty blocks.
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March 27, 2016, 01:29:05 AM
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In p2pool it is biphasic. Initially as the hashrate of the pool increases your variation decreases, and then as the hashrate gets larger again, variation starts increasing again

Thanks ck (and Cortana)! I learned a new word today. Tongue


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March 27, 2016, 08:54:13 PM
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Hello to all miner.  New p2pool in New York at http://prbitcoin.com:9332/static/  by ME  Jose Luis Ocaña from Puerto Rico

Let me know any information to make it better.

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March 28, 2016, 02:22:22 AM
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Hi, i'm from venezuela and i have a large farm. But really i don't understand how can i mine with p2pool, i need to know if you can help me with my problem. I want mine with my own p2pool node but i need an interface for stats. I researched but do not quite understand how. someone you could guide me ?
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March 28, 2016, 10:31:18 AM
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Hi, i'm from venezuela and i have a large farm. But really i don't understand how can i mine with p2pool, i need to know if you can help me with my problem. I want mine with my own p2pool node but i need an interface for stats. I researched but do not quite understand how. someone you could guide me ?
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hey mate

contact me via skype darkblade2k73 and i will try to get you settled in to the p2pool

with kind regards,

rudolf

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March 28, 2016, 06:54:13 PM
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Hi, i'm from venezuela and i have a large farm. But really i don't understand how can i mine with p2pool, i need to know if you can help me with my problem. I want mine with my own p2pool node but i need an interface for stats. I researched but do not quite understand how. someone you could guide me ?
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tutorial (sorry in french) : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1114415.0
i mine on my own P2Pool server since 2 years.

French ... but not so much   ---===---   P2P ... it's people at the end   ---===---   P2Pool (10,9 GH/s).
Comment miner des bitcoins ? Un tutoriel est là : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1114415.0
Bitcoin change everything ... an explain of this fact : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joITmEr4SjY
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March 29, 2016, 12:22:48 PM
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Hi, i'm from venezuela and i have a large farm. But really i don't understand how can i mine with p2pool, i need to know if you can help me with my problem. I want mine with my own p2pool node but i need an interface for stats. I researched but do not quite understand how. someone you could guide me ?
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Hi. First of all try this:
1. https://forum.bits.media/index.php?/blog/194/entry-338-sozdanie-sobstvennoi-nody-p2pool-bitcoin-s-obedinennym-ma/
2. https://forum.bits.media/index.php?/blog/213/entry-381-ispolzovanie-ckproxy-v-sviazke-s-sobstvennoi-nodoi-p2pool/
https://translate.google.com/ will help you!

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