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June 02, 2016, 11:09:41 PM
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v16 rise ... 181 GH/s to 6,81 TH/s


French ... but not so much   ---===---   P2P ... it's people at the end   ---===---   P2Pool (10,9 GH/s).
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I understood how DAG and GHOST worked before you explained them. I am trying to point out that I think you are missing the bigger issue. Improving p2pool efficiency is a worthy objective and it even may convince some miners to switch to p2pool. However, if the entry barrier, i.e. the process of setting up a node and running a node, is too great for the general novice then they are simply going to take the easier route and point their miners at something like CKPool and forget about it.

Mining is industrialized now. The vast majority of mining is done in farms with more than 1 PH/s of mining power in each farm. If miners could save 3% or more on pool fees by switching to p2pool, they'd be willing to spend a few hours to set up a p2pool node.

Even if they weren't willing to spend that time, with a better DAG-based algorithm, network latency to the p2pool node wouldn't matter very much, and so you wouldn't need to have your own p2pool node. They could just point their miners at something like minefast.coincadence.com and forget about it.

The #1 reason that p2pool is so unpopular right now is that the frequent work switches cause (a) a 5-10% loss of hashrate in Antminers, (b) poor stability in Antminers, and (c) a chance of hardware damage in Antminers due to the fan control bug (the ASICs continue to generate heat for a few minutes after cgminer dies, but the fans stop immediately).

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June 06, 2016, 11:32:02 PM
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If miners could save 3% or more on pool fees by switching to p2pool
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That seems like a high number, who's ass did you pull that out of?

...
and so you wouldn't need to have your own p2pool node. They could just point their miners at something like minefast.coincadence.com and forget about it.
...
Decentralisation though centralisation ... right ... ... ...

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June 10, 2016, 05:57:03 AM
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Doing some short term testing of Bitmain's new Antminer S9 on our NastyPool p2pool node.  You can see the live chart below (no longer live).


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June 10, 2016, 07:06:56 AM
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If miners could save 3% or more on pool fees by switching to p2pool
That seems like a high number, who's ass did you pull that out of?

Wang Chun's ass: 4% (plus transaction fees). https://www.f2pool.com/help

Jihan's has something similar: Antpool is 2.5% plus tx fees. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_mining_pools

and so you wouldn't need to have your own p2pool node. They could just point their miners at something like minefast.coincadence.com and forget about it.
Decentralisation though centralisation ... right ... ... ...

I don't think Bitcoin's security would be threatened if we had 1000 miners spread out among 100 p2pool nodes.

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June 10, 2016, 07:11:05 AM
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Doing some short term testing of Bitmain's new Antminer S9 on our NastyPool p2pool node.  You can see the live chart below (click it if it doesn't update).
Any indication of whether the S9 loses hashrate on p2pool, like every non-modded Antminer before?

When I visited Bitmain HQ in December, I talked to two of their engineers about the p2pool performance problems, and pointed them at ckolivas's fixes. It sounded like they intended to do something about it, but I don't know if their intentions were ever translated into actions.

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June 10, 2016, 07:51:28 AM
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If miners could save 3% or more on pool fees by switching to p2pool
That seems like a high number, who's ass did you pull that out of?

Wang Chun's ass: 4% (plus transaction fees). https://www.f2pool.com/help

Jihan's has something similar: Antpool is 2.5% plus tx fees. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_mining_pools
Ah ok so you are yet another of the "we all mine on antpool and f2pool" goons.

Meanwhile on the best pool on the planet, the pool fees are 0.9% and the transaction fees more than reverse that with average 1.4% back to the miners.
My pool.

and so you wouldn't need to have your own p2pool node. They could just point their miners at something like minefast.coincadence.com and forget about it.
Decentralisation though centralisation ... right ... ... ...

I don't think Bitcoin's security would be threatened if we had 1000 miners spread out among 100 p2pool nodes.
Not relevant.
That's not decentralisation, that's centralisation.
Yes you can give excuses why you think centralisation of p2pool is ok, but it's still centralisation.
At least get forrestv to change the thread title.
This has already been going on for a long time anyway.

So you still don't understand one of the big problems with p2pool ...
The larger miners get a higher PPS% reward, taken from from the smaller miners.
Better setups get a higher PPS% reward, taken from crappy setups.
But yeah, push that line but pretend it doesn't exist ...

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June 10, 2016, 07:57:57 AM
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Doing some short term testing of Bitmain's new Antminer S9 on our NastyPool p2pool node.  You can see the live chart below (click it if it doesn't update).
Any indication of whether the S9 loses hashrate on p2pool, like every non-modded Antminer before?

When I visited Bitmain HQ in December, I talked to two of their engineers about the p2pool performance problems, and pointed them at ckolivas's fixes. It sounded like they intended to do something about it, but I don't know if their intentions were ever translated into actions.

Nope.  I would only be speculating.

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June 10, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
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Ah ok so you are yet another of the "we all mine on antpool and f2pool" goons.
No, I'm one of the "47% of us mine on antpool and f2pool" goons. Only the Sith deal in absolutes.

So you still don't understand one of the big problems with p2pool ...
The larger miners get a higher PPS% reward, taken from from the smaller miners.
Better setups get a higher PPS% reward, taken from crappy setups.
But yeah, push that line but pretend it doesn't exist ...
The DAG ideas I put forth earlier would fix those problems.

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Could someone explain to me what is the difference between running p2pool with port 8333 and 9333 open and close.

Please don't explain that "I help the bitcoin network by running full node with port 8333 open" or similar answer
or something like I couldn't create a block with port 8333 close -> does this mean I can never solved a block in p2pool if port 8333 close?

I would like to understand the difference between opening or closing port 8333 and 9333 when running p2pool.

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Could someone explain to me what is the difference between running p2pool with port 8333 and 9333 open and close.

In order to participate in the bitcoin and p2pool p2p networks, your node needs to make connections with other computers. These connections can either be outgoing (your computer initiates) or incoming (another computer initiates). If port 8333 and 9333 are closed, then your computer can only make outgoing connections.

Since there are a lot of computers that have closed ports, this means that there are more computers trying to make outgoing connections than there are computers that are able to receive them. As a result, if you have closed ports, your bitcoind and p2pool processes will make fewer total connections, and will not be able to propagate shares and blocks as well. You also make the issue worse of there being more outgoing connection attempts than there are recipients.

Port 8333 is for bitcoind's p2p communication. Port 9333 is for p2pool's p2p communication. Bitcoind's p2p communication is for transmitting blocks and transactions, and p2pool's p2p communication is for transmitting p2pool shares (and also some blocks). Port 9333 makes a much larger difference for p2pool's performance than 8333.

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Could someone explain to me what is the difference between running p2pool with port 8333 and 9333 open and close.

In order to participate in the bitcoin and p2pool p2p networks, your node needs to make connections with other computers. These connections can either be outgoing (your computer initiates) or incoming (another computer initiates). If port 8333 and 9333 are closed, then your computer can only make outgoing connections.

Since there are a lot of computers that have closed ports, this means that there are more computers trying to make outgoing connections than there are computers that are able to receive them. As a result, if you have closed ports, your bitcoind and p2pool processes will make fewer total connections, and will not be able to propagate shares and blocks as well. You also make the issue worse of there being more outgoing connection attempts than there are recipients.

Port 8333 is for bitcoind's p2p communication. Port 9333 is for p2pool's p2p communication. Bitcoind's p2p communication is for transmitting blocks and transactions, and p2pool's p2p communication is for transmitting p2pool shares (and also some blocks). Port 9333 makes a much larger difference for p2pool's performance than 8333.

Hi jtoonim,

thanks for the explaination.

from what I understand from your explaination, with port 8333 and 9333 closed about not able to propagate shares and blocks means I could solve a block but it just I will have to rely on someone else full node bitcoind and p2pool to propagate it to the network?

And if possible, I open both port. but if for some reason I couldn't, it will still be better open port 9333 than 8333 right?

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June 10, 2016, 05:30:20 PM
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Ah ok so you are yet another of the "we all mine on antpool and f2pool" goons.
No, I'm one of the "47% of us mine on antpool and f2pool" goons. Only the Sith deal in absolutes.
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You said 3% or more.
If you think 3 can sometimes not be absolutely 3 ... ... ... ...

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June 13, 2016, 04:06:01 AM
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You said 3% or more.

2.5% base fee plus 1-2% transaction fees > 3%.

I'm a little surprised you think this is worth arguing about.

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June 13, 2016, 04:58:13 AM
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You said 3% or more.

2.5% base fee plus 1-2% transaction fees > 3%.

I'm a little surprised you think this is worth arguing about.
Again quoting F2Pool or Bitmain.

Look around, there are plenty of other pools out there that make your 3% comment a major exaggeration.
You keep implying that it's all about F2Pool and Bitmain ... well it isn't, open your eyes.

Also mining on P2Pool doesn't mean high txn fees.
It depends on the average miner settings on P2Pool, which is not "full blocks", and the pool average is not 'high'
... also the fact that P2Pool produces empty blocks by design, with NO txn fees at all ... ... ...

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June 13, 2016, 05:59:23 AM
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Im just getting back into mining and i picked up two cheap S4s (i get free electricity) and from the pools that i looked at to go into, 3% does seem really high to me.
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June 13, 2016, 09:33:35 AM
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Im just getting back into mining and i picked up two cheap S4s (i get free electricity) and from the pools that i looked at to go into, 3% does seem really high to me.

It is not hard to get a better rate than 3%.

https://kano.is/ is 0.9%
https://bitminter.com/ is 1%
https://slushpool.com/ is 2%

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June 13, 2016, 02:22:35 PM
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It is not hard to get a better rate than 3%.

https://kano.is/ is 0.9%
https://bitminter.com/ is 1%
https://slushpool.com/ is 2%

LMFTFY Wink

P2Pool is 0% with transaction fees paid to miners.

And as a side note, Kano has managed to change this into a thread for promoting his pool AGAIN....

This thread is about P2Pool, lets please keep it focused.

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June 13, 2016, 02:40:01 PM
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It is not hard to get a better rate than 3%.

https://kano.is/ is 0.9%
https://bitminter.com/ is 1%
https://slushpool.com/ is 2%

LMFTFY Wink

P2Pool is 0% with transaction fees paid to miners.

And as a side note, Kano has managed to change this into a thread for promoting his pool AGAIN....

This thread is about P2Pool, lets please keep it focused.
What? Not willing to actually say what the average P2Pool Txn fees have been for the last 100 blocks?
Would be rather odd to be saying ... "Rewards are better here coz you expect to be paid less ..."

At least quote the numbers that are relevant: 0% fee, X% txn fees, Y% orphans
Or is that not gonna give you the answer you want to tell everyone?

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