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[MinermanNC]

Knight has a more sniper like approach to the trolls where I just go in Guns a blazin.

I think we have the amount of badges though

Btw Terrahash pays me in trident layers.

Are you on the dole from Terrahash KL? who would have thunk...lol

[zurg]

Knight has a more sniper like approach to the trolls where I just go in Guns a blazin.

I think we have the amount of badges though

Btw Terrahash pays me in trident layers.

Are you on the dole from Terrahash KL? who would have thunk...lol

Hmm, and I thought I was the only one here on TH's payroll. Darn.

[brambi1]

All who paid with CC and want to do a chargeback , better check with your banks as I did just few minutes ago. My bank deadline for opening dispute is 60 days, it means that I have 3 days left to do it. I was optimistic until yesterday, now lost my faith. Send few tickets to Terrahash with questions not related to refund but never got answer. Last ticket about refund remains unanswered too. That overfilled my patience. If chips will not show up in 2 days I will open a dispute in bank to get my money back. It was only small order in first batch but it took all my savings.

[Bitcoinorama]

All who paid with CC and want to do a chargeback , better check with your banks as I did just few minutes ago. My bank deadline for opening dispute is 60 days, it means that I have 3 days left to do it. I was optimistic until yesterday, now lost my faith. Send few tickets to Terrahash with questions not related to refund but never got answer. Last ticket about refund remains unanswered too. That overfilled my patience. If chips will not show up in 2 days I will open a dispute in bank to get my money back. It was only small order in first batch but it took all my savings.

That is understandable and you played a sensible hand. You for all intents and purposes are not doing this to rock the boat, but because the chips were not delivered on time for your participation in this entire to continue due to the fat you were sensible enough to pay with consumer protection in place.

[Vigil]

I don't want to leave TH hanging but I do want them to prove to me that they are making attempts in cooperation with the other group buys to get Yifu to explain the facts of what has been happening, where the chips are and when they are coming, and how he is going to compensate the end users for violating his 9-10 week contract.

[bsuperior2]

All who paid with CC and want to do a chargeback , better check with your banks as I did just few minutes ago. My bank deadline for opening dispute is 60 days, it means that I have 3 days left to do it. I was optimistic until yesterday, now lost my faith. Send few tickets to Terrahash with questions not related to refund but never got answer. Last ticket about refund remains unanswered too. That overfilled my patience. If chips will not show up in 2 days I will open a dispute in bank to get my money back. It was only small order in first batch but it took all my savings.

Supposedly capital one will do 180 days from the date of purchase.

[MinermanNC]

Anyone bank with BB&T in here, I called my bank customer service just find out the poilicy in case?. They refered me just to call the credit card department. So I will a little later when I have time. WHERE IS OUR CHIPS! Much rather have the boards...

[kendog77]

Supposedly AMEX allows users to open a dispute within 60 days of promised delivery.

https://twitter.com/AskAmex/status/105337964913111041

I guess the "promised delivery" is late July, so there should be a bit of time left for AMEX payers to dispute.

https://terrahash.com/faq/

[MinermanNC]

Here we go! don't see bitsyncom mentioned.... Bloomberg: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-08-12/new-york-subpoenas-bitcoin-firms-in-probe-over-criminal-risk


In addition to BitInstant, Dwolla and Coinsetter, the regulator sent subpoenas to the following service providers: BitPay, Coinabul, Coinbase Inc., CoinLab, eCoin Cashier, Payward, Inc., TrustCash Holdings Inc. and ZipZap, the person said.

Butterfly Labs, a technology company, also received a subpoena, according to the person familiar with the matter.

Christina Hirsch, a spokeswoman for Winklevoss, declined to comment. Margit Wennmachers, a spokeswoman for Andreessen Horowitz, said the firm did not receive a subpoena. Bloomberg LP is an investor in Andreessen Horowitz.

In addition to Winklevoss Capital and Andreessen Horowitz, DFS sent subpoenas to the following investor groups: Bitcoin Opportunity Fund, Boost VC Bitcoin Fund, Founders Fund, Google Ventures, Lightspeed Venture Partners, Tribeca Venture Partners, Tropos Funds and Union Square Ventures, the person said.

Reeling in all the big names?

Always a chance this could be good for BTC....I hope

[Bitcoinorama]

Here we go! don't see bitsyncom mentioned.... Bloomberg: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-08-12/new-york-subpoenas-bitcoin-firms-in-probe-over-criminal-risk


In addition to BitInstant, Dwolla and Coinsetter, the regulator sent subpoenas to the following service providers: BitPay, Coinabul, Coinbase Inc., CoinLab, eCoin Cashier, Payward, Inc., TrustCash Holdings Inc. and ZipZap, the person said.

Butterfly Labs, a technology company, also received a subpoena, according to the person familiar with the matter.

Christina Hirsch, a spokeswoman for Winklevoss, declined to comment. Margit Wennmachers, a spokeswoman for Andreessen Horowitz, said the firm did not receive a subpoena. Bloomberg LP is an investor in Andreessen Horowitz.

In addition to Winklevoss Capital and Andreessen Horowitz, DFS sent subpoenas to the following investor groups: Bitcoin Opportunity Fund, Boost VC Bitcoin Fund, Founders Fund, Google Ventures, Lightspeed Venture Partners, Tribeca Venture Partners, Tropos Funds and Union Square Ventures, the person said.

Reeling in all the big names?

Always a chance this could be good for BTC....I hope

When you copied and pasted that, did you happen to notice the company now highlighted?

[MinermanNC]

Here we go! don't see bitsyncom mentioned.... Bloomberg: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-08-12/new-york-subpoenas-bitcoin-firms-in-probe-over-criminal-risk


In addition to BitInstant, Dwolla and Coinsetter, the regulator sent subpoenas to the following service providers: BitPay, Coinabul, Coinbase Inc., CoinLab, eCoin Cashier, Payward, Inc., TrustCash Holdings Inc. and ZipZap, the person said.

Butterfly Labs, a technology company, also received a subpoena, according to the person familiar with the matter.

Christina Hirsch, a spokeswoman for Winklevoss, declined to comment. Margit Wennmachers, a spokeswoman for Andreessen Horowitz, said the firm did not receive a subpoena. Bloomberg LP is an investor in Andreessen Horowitz.

In addition to Winklevoss Capital and Andreessen Horowitz, DFS sent subpoenas to the following investor groups: Bitcoin Opportunity Fund, Boost VC Bitcoin Fund, Founders Fund, Google Ventures, Lightspeed Venture Partners, Tribeca Venture Partners, Tropos Funds and Union Square Ventures, the person said.

Reeling in all the big names?

Always a chance this could be good for BTC....I hope

When you copied and pasted that, did you happen to notice the company now highlighted?

lol,,,i sure do now! thx man

[knightlife999]

On Steamboat's thread, a different group buyer reported to have received his sample chips and there was no update on his Avalon order page. That means that Avalon is shipping things out to people without tracking numbers. Not stellar news, but at least there is some movement. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192916.msg2923161#msg2923161

Marto's first batch was ordered on June 17th. If the 30 sample chips he just received were the standard test batch sent for orders, then they had to be for his order placed on 6/17. My point is, if they are starting preliminary fulfillment of June orders, the May orders should be coming very quickly. I'll keep my ear to the ground.  

[tarmi]

On Steamboat's thread, a different group buyer reported to have received his sample chips and there was no update on his Avalon order page. That means that Avalon is shipping things out to people without tracking numbers. Not stellar news, but at least there is some movement. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192916.msg2923161#msg2923161

Marto's first batch was ordered on June 17th. If the 30 sample chips he just received were the standard test batch sent for orders, then they had to be for his order placed on 6/17. My point is, if they are starting preliminary fulfillment of June orders, the May orders should be coming very quickly. I'll keep my ear to the ground.  

may orders? lol

still waiting for an april order!

[WastedLTC]

This is a very tough spot for TH and customers.   If they do a charge back, they are hurting Terahash not Avalon. 

sad.

[bearsworth]

Terahash needs to speak up to avalon IMO. As a seller of goods if you can't sell the product because parts didn't come in on time its up to you and not customers.

[warhawk187]

Considering the difficulty JUST hit 50.8 Million just an hour ago, yes, a 35% increase in 2016 blocks, and its already estimated to hit 60M+ by next week because blocks are being solved every 5 minutes, I am considering asking for a refund. Chase says I have up to 120 days to dispute a charge. Paypal I think said 20 calendar days? I heard it was 45 in June...

I understand that this is all yifu's/bitsyncom's fuck up (or organized scam, seems more like it every day), but TH must understand that the same blind hope and risk we put into TH (and others), TH also put into Avalon. Avalon has hedged all of the risk to the talented DIY community, and left a void where accountability is to be expected. TSMC can't help, Yifu wont answer his damn phone, Group Buyers are silent til shipments arrive, and the DIY hard working engineers on this forum are getting the shaft all of because of Avalons lack of communication and at this point, integrity. They are starting to make BFL look GOOD now. That alone worries me.

This is why I used Paypal/CC to purchase 2 K64s just in case something like this happened. Its the SAME EXACT LOGIC yifu/bitsyncom used. Minimize risk WHENEVER POSSIBLE. Yifu made it seem like it would be a fun hobby when he announced chip sales with a 'No BS' terms of contract. So much for his 'word'. We are now 5 WEEKS late on chip shipments?! Difficulty alone has tripled since April, and all of us are gonna be lucky to see any decent ROI (if at all depending on who gets them 1st) with Avalon chips at this point. Oh and they still have to be mounted to boards, assembled, tested, and shipped. So unless they arrive within the next week or two, Yifu/bitsyncom just sold $14 millions dollars worth of bullshit.

<insert future comment: "But its strengthening the Bitcoin network!">

Yes, it is, but what good is a strong bitcoin network when one entity is fucking over a bunch of talented developers globally?

What the Bitcoin community needs right now is accountability. And it needs it now.

[massnerder]

<insert future comment: "But its strengthening the Bitcoin network!">

Yea, while we all want to better the bitcoin network let's get real, nobody wants to pay for a miner and run it at a loss to do so.  I am right there with you watching daily and if the chips don't show up real soon I will also have to go the chargeback route.  I don't want to and would rather have the boards but it does me no good to get them after they have little to no chance of breaking even.  Hopefully this clears up real quick, those with BTC orders basically have no choice but to wait and hope that the miners have more than historical value when/if they do arrive. 

[MinermanNC]

FYI BB&T bank policy for disputes: must be opened within 60 days of the closing statement date: I ordered on the 18th, closing date the 21st  lol, so i really have till friday to make that decision where is yifu and our freakn chips!!!!
 
Now on the otherhand, if TH put out a reassurance email, of guaranteeing a full refund should we never receive our product, then i might would be inclined to wait and see" on the chips,,, but we have nothing to go on at this point?

[atomicchaos]

Now on the otherhand, if TH put out a reassurance email, of guaranteeing a full refund should we never receive our product, then i might would be inclined to wait and see" on the chips,,, but we have nothing to go on at this point?

Miner, TH already covered this in his last message. You wouldn't get a full refund if Avalon chips don't show according to the below quote.

We have only ordered components that were either absolutely necessary for assembly (BOM components) or ones that had a big lead time (Cases, heat sinks, cables). Boards and PSUs, once ordered, can be delivered within 24-48 hours. The reason we did not spend money on these is, in case Avalon chips never show up, we would be able to refund some of our customers money.

Again, in case the chips never arrive, we might be able to return a portion of everybody's money. But if you insist, we will go ahead and order PSUs/PCBs etc and spend all that money. Your choice!

[bearsworth]

I would totally continue buying these if it weren't for my darn credit card fees. I charged the wrongs ones..