Magyar (Hungarian)

[bitart]

Láttam a postot a metában, én is támogatnám. Igény valóban lenne rá, mivel a bitcoin.hu-n kívül nincs semmi hasonló (az is halott), jó lenne ha lenne valami communitynk nekünk is. Jó lenne ha láthatnánk magyarra fordított ANN-okat stb. Én személy szerint szívesen csinálnék fordításokat ilyen esetben.

bitcoin.hu fórum oldala él, mostanában nagyon is aktív.

Az ottani közösségi tagok most egy új magyar oldal létrehozásán dolgoznak - cryptovilag.com
Megvenni nem sikerült a bitcoin.hu domain-t, ezért az új oldal; erős háttérrel, sok hozzáértővel.
Még nem él, de hamarosan üzembe helyezik, a fórumon lehet jelentkezni segítőnek is.

Kb. innentől érdekes a dolog:
https://bitcoin.hu/forum/index.php/topic,2962.30.html

Na, ezt nem tudtam, köszi az infót.

Valaki írja be légyszi oda, hogy engem is érdekel, mert próbálok regisztrálni, de nem kapok aktivációs kódot, pedig nagyon sokat próbáltam...
Fordítás + cikkírás, meg ami jólesik
Megnéztem a spam mappát is, ott se semmi, normál beérkezőben sem, nekem gyanús, hogy mostanában már ez a funkciója se megy nagyon az oldalnak.
Néztem az új oldalt, a cryptovilag-ot, de még nem megy, gondoltam ott is lehet majd jelentkezni, de még semmi.

[hannusolo]

Az biztos, hogy az elmúlt egy két hónapban új lendületet vett az egész crypto üzletág, és kezd Mo.-n is terjedni az egész híre. Érdemes megnézni, hogy mekkora hiány van a bányászásra alkalmas kártyákból AMD oldalon a Polarisokból, nV oldalon leginkább a 1070-ből az országban (mondjuk az egész világban is), hardverapro.hu-n drágábban mennek el a használt RX480-ok, mint az újkori beszerzési áruk...

Magyar szekció nyitását pedig persze támogatom!

[cryptme]

Nem rossz a bitcoin.hu, főleg a portál része tetszik. A forumot illetően én inkább a bitcointalk híve vagyok, jobban örülnék ha itt pörögne fel a felhaszálók száma.
A bitcoin.hu-t illetően illene vásárolni egy SSL-t a weboldalhoz, a legtöbb hosting ingyen adja. Ha venni kell akkor szóljanak, szerintem szívesen összekalapozzzuk az árát.

[huntalan81]

Nem rossz a bitcoin.hu, főleg a portál része tetszik. A forumot illetően én inkább a bitcointalk híve vagyok, jobban örülnék ha itt pörögne fel a felhaszálók száma.
A bitcoin.hu-t illetően illene vásárolni egy SSL-t a weboldalhoz, a legtöbb hosting ingyen adja. Ha venni kell akkor szóljanak, szerintem szívesen összekalapozzzuk az árát.

Tudtommal maga a "tulaj" nem elérhető, hosszú ideje, ezért nem is tudják megvenni s ezért az új oldal.
cryptovilag.com

[gallianooo]

Good afternoon,

Sorry, i don't speak hungarian so I will write in English.

I haven't found any information about the taxation of the capital gain with Bitcoin & the cryptocurrency in general in Hungary ?

Is there any law for the moment ? Or someone has a competent perso on this subject ?

Thank you

[flekkelek]

Good afternoon,

Sorry, i don't speak hungarian so I will write in English.

I haven't found any information about the taxation of the capital gain with Bitcoin & the cryptocurrency in general in Hungary ?

Is there any law for the moment ? Or someone has a competent perso on this subject ?

Thank you

Theorically you have to pay tax after it as any other product you sell, and you even have to pay taxes for mining. So it's not a specific law, it's the same like you get incomes from any other business or undertaking. Yeah, shitty, but you can avoid it if you withdraw less than 1 million Forints in a specific time, so you can fly under the radar. But a lawyer should know the details.

[gallianooo]

Good afternoon,

Sorry, i don't speak hungarian so I will write in English.

I haven't found any information about the taxation of the capital gain with Bitcoin & the cryptocurrency in general in Hungary ?

Is there any law for the moment ? Or someone has a competent perso on this subject ?

Thank you

Theorically you have to pay tax after it as any other product you sell, and you even have to pay taxes for mining. So it's not a specific law, it's the same like you get incomes from any other business or undertaking. Yeah, shitty, but you can avoid it if you withdraw less than 1 million Forints in a specific time, so you can fly under the radar. But a lawyer should know the details.

I think it's more complicated. And i have real doubt if there is a competent lawyer in Hungary, specialized in the cryptocurrencies.

Ok in US, everybody will pay tax (capital gain if you buy and sell cryptocurrency with profit,  or income issued from the mining).

In Europe, there is nothing for the moment, no law, no jurisprudence, not considered like a currency, 0 information from the NAV, it's seems a grey zone.

Only Denmark in EU, formalized a real status for Bitcoin, with 0 tax.

[flekkelek]

Good afternoon,

Sorry, i don't speak hungarian so I will write in English.

I haven't found any information about the taxation of the capital gain with Bitcoin & the cryptocurrency in general in Hungary ?

Is there any law for the moment ? Or someone has a competent perso on this subject ?

Thank you

Theorically you have to pay tax after it as any other product you sell, and you even have to pay taxes for mining. So it's not a specific law, it's the same like you get incomes from any other business or undertaking. Yeah, shitty, but you can avoid it if you withdraw less than 1 million Forints in a specific time, so you can fly under the radar. But a lawyer should know the details.

I think it's more complicated. And i have real doubt if there is a competent lawyer in Hungary, specialized in the cryptocurrencies.

Ok in US, everybody will pay tax (capital gain if you buy and sell cryptocurrency with profit,  or income issued from the mining).

In Europe, there is nothing for the moment, no law, no jurisprudence, not considered like a currency, 0 information from the NAV, it's seems a grey zone.

Only Denmark in EU, formalized a real status for Bitcoin, with 0 tax.

Yes there is no specific law, that's why you have to pay after it like every other income. It's not a currency but a porduct.
Tbh I was into this problem a year ago, maybe they changed something about it since then, but I highly doubt.

[gallianooo]

Good afternoon,

Sorry, i don't speak hungarian so I will write in English.

I haven't found any information about the taxation of the capital gain with Bitcoin & the cryptocurrency in general in Hungary ?

Is there any law for the moment ? Or someone has a competent perso on this subject ?

Thank you

Theorically you have to pay tax after it as any other product you sell, and you even have to pay taxes for mining. So it's not a specific law, it's the same like you get incomes from any other business or undertaking. Yeah, shitty, but you can avoid it if you withdraw less than 1 million Forints in a specific time, so you can fly under the radar. But a lawyer should know the details.

I think it's more complicated. And i have real doubt if there is a competent lawyer in Hungary, specialized in the cryptocurrencies.

Ok in US, everybody will pay tax (capital gain if you buy and sell cryptocurrency with profit,  or income issued from the mining).

In Europe, there is nothing for the moment, no law, no jurisprudence, not considered like a currency, 0 information from the NAV, it's seems a grey zone.

Only Denmark in EU, formalized a real status for Bitcoin, with 0 tax.

Yes there is no specific law, that's why you have to pay after it like every other income. It's not a currency but a porduct.
Tbh I was into this problem a year ago, maybe they changed something about it since then, but I highly doubt.

Thanks for your feedback. So in your case, you paid last year 15% of your profit, without any deduction?

[flekkelek]

Good afternoon,

Sorry, i don't speak hungarian so I will write in English.

I haven't found any information about the taxation of the capital gain with Bitcoin & the cryptocurrency in general in Hungary ?

Is there any law for the moment ? Or someone has a competent perso on this subject ?

Thank you

Theorically you have to pay tax after it as any other product you sell, and you even have to pay taxes for mining. So it's not a specific law, it's the same like you get incomes from any other business or undertaking. Yeah, shitty, but you can avoid it if you withdraw less than 1 million Forints in a specific time, so you can fly under the radar. But a lawyer should know the details.

I think it's more complicated. And i have real doubt if there is a competent lawyer in Hungary, specialized in the cryptocurrencies.

Ok in US, everybody will pay tax (capital gain if you buy and sell cryptocurrency with profit,  or income issued from the mining).

In Europe, there is nothing for the moment, no law, no jurisprudence, not considered like a currency, 0 information from the NAV, it's seems a grey zone.

Only Denmark in EU, formalized a real status for Bitcoin, with 0 tax.

Yes there is no specific law, that's why you have to pay after it like every other income. It's not a currency but a porduct.
Tbh I was into this problem a year ago, maybe they changed something about it since then, but I highly doubt.

Thanks for your feedback. So in your case, you paid last year 15% of your profit, without any deduction?

I guess it shoud happen that way, but it's more like 27% (VAT), but I haven't sold what I earned or invested last year. Not to mention in laws I found only the term "bitcoin" but no mentions about altcoins or something, so it used to be a way to manuever between these laws. I can't find any new article or relevant information about it, even on our national bank's website. But as I know our politicans and lawmakers they have no idea how cryptoworld works. 

[gallianooo]

Yes i Think you are right on this point. Politicians / banks and cie don't know the cryptocurrency world.

About the VAT, it's not possible. Union European Court said "No" to the application of the VAT on Bitcoin

http://www.coindesk.com/european-exchanges-react-to-bitcoin-vat-exemption/

[flekkelek]

Yes i Think you are right on this point. Politicians / banks and cie don't know the cryptocurrency world.

About the VAT, it's not possible. Union European Court said "No" to the application of the VAT on Bitcoin

http://www.coindesk.com/european-exchanges-react-to-bitcoin-vat-exemption/

Yes, you are right, I found an arcticle about it, it's 15% now. And also this 15% is to be applied when you sell it to fiat.

[gallianooo]

Also a link for many countries (last update 05/2017)

Nothing special for Hungary for the moment

https://www.perkinscoie.com/en/news-insights/digital-currencies-international-actions-and-regulations.html

[huntalan81]

What do you want in Hungary?

[bitart]

Yes i Think you are right on this point. Politicians / banks and cie don't know the cryptocurrency world.

About the VAT, it's not possible. Union European Court said "No" to the application of the VAT on Bitcoin

http://www.coindesk.com/european-exchanges-react-to-bitcoin-vat-exemption/

Yes, you are right, I found an arcticle about it, it's 15% now. And also this 15% is to be applied when you sell it to fiat.

There should be main difference if you are an induvidual or a company. Regulations are totally different. If you are an induvidual, and not resident, there are countries where the double taxation convention exists, that could also change the rate of the applied tax. If you are a company, small and medium companies pay 9% tax only applied for the earning before taxes.

[flekkelek]

Yes i Think you are right on this point. Politicians / banks and cie don't know the cryptocurrency world.

About the VAT, it's not possible. Union European Court said "No" to the application of the VAT on Bitcoin

http://www.coindesk.com/european-exchanges-react-to-bitcoin-vat-exemption/

Yes, you are right, I found an arcticle about it, it's 15% now. And also this 15% is to be applied when you sell it to fiat.

There should be main difference if you are an induvidual or a company. Regulations are totally different. If you are an induvidual, and not resident, there are countries where the double taxation convention exists, that could also change the rate of the applied tax. If you are a company, small and medium companies pays 9% tax only applied for the earning before taxes.

Azon gondolkodtam, hogy ha mondjuk katás vagyok és tfh ez még belefér a 6millióba, akkor ennek az adója is vajon letudható a havi fix katás adóval? Mert gondolom az "Egyéb informatikai tevékenységbe" ez is beletartozik.

[slonopotam]

Hi everyone.
I'm sorry, I don't speak Hungarian either. Where do you guys buy risers in Budapest (if it's even possible)? Or you order from some EU-based company that ships fast?

Same Q for mobos/CPUs/RAM: any good trusted store that usually have everything in stock? (I specially don't ask about GPUs, as seems noone has them just as everywhere).

Thanks much for any adivse.

[madpapa]

Hi everyone.
I'm sorry, I don't speak Hungarian either. Where do you guys buy risers in Budapest (if it's even possible)? Or you order from some EU-based company that ships fast?

Same Q for mobos/CPUs/RAM: any good trusted store that usually have everything in stock? (I specially don't ask about GPUs, as seems noone has them just as everywhere).

Thanks much for any adivse.

What would you like to buy? Maybe I can help you :-)

[huntalan81]

Bitcoin.hu fórum oldalra állítólag gmail-es címmel lehet regelni.

[gallianooo]

Yes i Think you are right on this point. Politicians / banks and cie don't know the cryptocurrency world.

About the VAT, it's not possible. Union European Court said "No" to the application of the VAT on Bitcoin

http://www.coindesk.com/european-exchanges-react-to-bitcoin-vat-exemption/

Yes, you are right, I found an arcticle about it, it's 15% now. And also this 15% is to be applied when you sell it to fiat.

There should be main difference if you are an induvidual or a company. Regulations are totally different. If you are an induvidual, and not resident, there are countries where the double taxation convention exists, that could also change the rate of the applied tax. If you are a company, small and medium companies pay 9% tax only applied for the earning before taxes.

Yes yes I know the difference between individual (15%) and company (9%) from this year. I live in Hungary and i have a company here.

The problem is that it's still a grey zone about BTC and cryptocurrencies in Europe, and especially in the central - Est Europe countries.

Currently, there is no law, no jurisprudence, no recommandation about the hungarian state or NAV. So nothing can be sure at 100% for the moment.

And as we talked previously with flekkelek, we have a real doubt about the competence and the skills of the NAV, politicians (and Cie) about the cryptocurrencies world and how it's considered, because there is nothing about that now.

It's like the online professionnal poker player, no law, no statut, no rules, nothing in lot of countries.