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Author Topic: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees  (Read 651562 times)
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January 04, 2019, 06:38:03 PM
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BCash is having some extreme issues this sort of asset can fall to really new lowest because it cannot get any support from lightning network.

You need to rethink your assumptions. Bitcoin Cash -- neither ABC nor SV -- want anything to do with LN. However, if they did, it would be a simple matter to add support for 'Lightning Cash Network'. But what would be the point? What with LN currently unable to transact in anything more meaningful than a bumper sticker.

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Roger Ver has been rejected for the support from the opennode

Support? You really do have a simplistic view of the world, don't you? Turns out Roger's offer of $1.25M USD (or whatever the sum) was insufficient for OpenNode to totally scrap their business plan, and revector entirely to a different infrastructure layer. Oh well.

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this asset is next to 0

Especially funny given your username. Bitcoin Cash is not the market cap leader at the moment. But it certainly is not 'next to 0'. You know what it's next to? At #4, it is next to #3 -- XRP -- which really isn't even a cryptocurrency in the true definition of the word. So it's kind of next to #2 Ethereum - which having an unbounded supply, also fails the 'money' test. Which kind of makes it #2, which would be kind of next to Bitcoin Segwit.

You know what Bitcoin Cash is not 'next to'? Bitcoin Cash is not 'next to' Bitcoin Diamond, which seems destined to always be a fourth-rate also-ran.

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roger ver has even sold most of the BCash

I would like to see evidence of that assertion. That is, if you're not just pulling shit out of your ass and throwing it. Just stop. It's unsanitary, and it just stinks up the place. Of course, that's obviously your intent.

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January 04, 2019, 06:59:47 PM
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Is the war has been over between ABC and SV? I converted my coins into ABC which looking more strong and now from last few days ABC is still head and in more strong position which is so relaxed for me.
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January 04, 2019, 07:20:09 PM
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It can still go either way.  It's a matter of time until we find this out.
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January 04, 2019, 08:40:31 PM
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January 05, 2019, 05:03:09 AM
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It's amusing that grin is going to out-cash BCH, using real science instead of dumb parameter fiddling. grin can scale costlessly, and it's also reasonably private like physical cash.

In the far future, I see either a BTC-only ecosystem using various off-chain systems to scale (maybe a grin sidechain), or BTC as digital gold and grin as cash. But there's really no place for BCH's strictly inferior tech.

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January 05, 2019, 05:24:54 AM
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^ is this another alt that has no unmoderated thread on Bitcointalk, so it was posted here instead lol

(wait it does have its own thread ...lol)
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January 05, 2019, 05:59:49 AM
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roger ver has even sold most of the BCash

I would like to see evidence of that assertion. That is, if you're not just pulling shit out of your ass and throwing it. Just stop. It's unsanitary, and it just stinks up the place. Of course, that's obviously your intent.

Never stopped you, did it??  Cheesy

If anything I think Ver sold his BTC for BCH, as did CSW sell whatever BTC he had to buy SV. Both are now sitting on tremendous losses in their war for ego dominance. What a shitshow. There were no winners, only losers.

It's amusing that grin is going to out-cash BCH, using real science instead of dumb parameter fiddling. grin can scale costlessly, and it's also reasonably private like physical cash.

In the far future, I see either a BTC-only ecosystem using various off-chain systems to scale (maybe a grin sidechain), or BTC as digital gold and grin as cash. But there's really no place for BCH's strictly inferior tech.


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January 05, 2019, 06:39:11 AM
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Damn! this thread is full of controversial post Shocked  the argument is endless in here, how long will this pointless argument go on for?
BCH came will huge bag of confusion, disagreement and argument Undecided
what is the point of trying to prove a point about a technology that pave the way for other egocentric project - BCH to exist Huh,
Blockchain is big enough to accommodate all sort Roll Eyes no need to claim supreme or try to put another down simply because of personal selfish interest,
there is room for all to grow, no need to try and paint btc bad now, already to late for that Undecided
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January 05, 2019, 06:30:29 PM
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BCH is a great addition to bitcoin, but not a replacement. No need to compete with Washington, you just have to take your place in new York. You can not sell Washington and Buy new York, in this case, both will depreciate
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January 05, 2019, 07:41:47 PM
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Damn! this thread is full of controversial post Shocked  the argument is endless in here, how long will this pointless argument go on for?

Until 2 of the following chains are dead: BTC , BCH , BSV .

On the technical front BCH & BSV are Superior to BTC in ONCHAIN Technology. (Higher Transaction Capacity)

Meaning for BTC to hold Market Hype, the btc supporters constantly use propaganda techniques to fool the ignorant.
Which is why you see an insane amount of trolling in this forum.

Any 3rd party offchain scaling claims have always been nonsense, because technically nothing stops any chain from scaling offchain using 3rd parties.

No one has to infect their chain with segwit, as any exchange can provide 3rd party offchain scaling now at price much cheaper and faster and simpler than LN.


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January 05, 2019, 07:47:08 PM
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It's amusing that grin is going to out-cash BCH, using real science instead of dumb parameter fiddling. grin can scale costlessly, and it's also reasonably private like physical cash.

In the far future, I see either a BTC-only ecosystem using various off-chain systems to scale (maybe a grin sidechain), or BTC as digital gold and grin as cash. But there's really no place for BCH's strictly inferior tech.

It would take few more time when this community will learn this what is the real thing in this ecosystem. There is no doubt BTC will remain most popular and the community coin.
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January 06, 2019, 01:16:24 AM
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It's amusing that grin is going to out-cash BCH, using real science instead of dumb parameter fiddling. grin can scale costlessly, and it's also reasonably private like physical cash.

Best wishes for grin. Seriously.

Of course, it is not yet a Bitcoin reality.

In the meanwhile 'dumb parameter fiddling' -- as you so eloquently put it -- would have been the smart choice.

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January 06, 2019, 01:18:49 AM
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roger ver has even sold most of the BCash

I would like to see evidence of that assertion.

If anything I think Ver sold his BTC for BCH, as did CSW sell whatever BTC he had to buy SV.

At least you properly identified your statement as speculative.

Any defense by bitcoin_diamond on their rather stupid statement?

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January 06, 2019, 06:07:46 AM
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In the meanwhile 'dumb parameter fiddling' -- as you so eloquently put it -- would have been the smart choice.

What's your evidence for this statement? BCH transactions aren't exactly on the rise.

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin%20cash-transactions.html

Neither are its popularity, price, utility or adoption.

Meanwhile, BTC transactions have been steadily rising since July:

https://www.blockchain.com/charts/n-transactions

We already have one bitcoin and its doing just fine.

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January 06, 2019, 06:24:16 AM
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We already have one bitcoin and its doing just fine.

That is a falsehood, had BTC actually been doing fine, there would never had been a BCH.

Short term memory ?
$20 & higher transaction fees with days to weeks before transaction were accepted because btc was incapable of meeting ONCHAIN transaction volume.

Also had the BCH Community never split off from BTC,
the segwit so necessary for LN would never have achieved over 35% consensus and thus never activated, as soft forks require 90%.

Without the BCH community coming to life and quit blocking segwit adoption, your precious LN would not have been possible.   Cheesy

* Also who in their right mind considers at over 80% loss in price per bitcoin  , [just fine].  Tongue


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January 06, 2019, 06:40:52 AM
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* Also who in their right mind considers at over 80% loss in price per bitcoin  , [just fine].  

Frankly, I do.

Let's be real. BTC has lost 80% of value because FOMO got ahead of itself and we had a spectacular blowoff top. If you'd have polled even the Bitcoin faithful three years ago as to whether BTC would be comfortably above $3500 at the start of 2019, few would have put money on that notion.

A successive series of blowoff tops may be normal for price discovery for such a radically new form of asset.

So an 80% price drop is noise. It's the market dominance drop that signals danger.

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January 06, 2019, 06:51:44 AM
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* Also who in their right mind considers at over 80% loss in price per bitcoin  , [just fine].  

Frankly, I do.

Let's be real. BTC has lost 80% of value because FOMO got ahead of itself and we had a spectacular blowoff top. If you'd have polled even the Bitcoin faithful three years ago as to whether BTC would be comfortably above $3500 at the start of 2019, few would have put money on that notion.

A successive series of blowoff tops may be normal for price discovery for such a radically new form of asset.

So an 80% price drop is noise. It's the market dominance drop that signals danger.

I am assuming you were in BTC, years before the drop, so it's effect on your finances was not a major issue,
as your entry point provided a large cushion.

For others unlucky enough to join at the high, it was a most unfortunate event and 80% has proven to be intolerable for many of them.

Sorry, 80% losses are never just fine.


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For others unlucky enough to join at the high, it was a most unfortunate event and 80% has proven to be intolerable for many of them.

Sorry, 80% losses are never just fine.

It was a risk assumed by those willing to invest in something up over 1000% in the last 2 years. Despite 2018's heavy decline BTC is still up 320% over the last 2 years, making it one of the best performing asset categories within the same time frame.

Besides, compared to all other cryptocurrencies, BTC is kicking butt. None of your altcoins have performed better.

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January 06, 2019, 08:51:41 AM
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For others unlucky enough to join at the high, it was a most unfortunate event and 80% has proven to be intolerable for many of them.

Sorry, 80% losses are never just fine.

It was a risk assumed by those willing to invest in something up over 1000% in the last 2 years. Despite 2018's heavy decline BTC is still up 320% over the last 2 years, making it one of the best performing asset categories within the same time frame.

Besides, compared to all other cryptocurrencies, BTC is kicking butt. None of your altcoins have performed better.


And yet , it is mostly the BTC miners declaring bankruptcy.
It is kicking the miners butt all the way to the poor house.  Wink

Many Altcoin stakers are able to weather their price drops without declaring bankruptcy.   Smiley
Imagine that. Sustainability , input costs matter.

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For others unlucky enough to join at the high, it was a most unfortunate event and 80% has proven to be intolerable for many of them.

Sorry, 80% losses are never just fine.

It was a risk assumed by those willing to invest in something up over 1000% in the last 2 years. Despite 2018's heavy decline BTC is still up 320% over the last 2 years, making it one of the best performing asset categories within the same time frame.

Besides, compared to all other cryptocurrencies, BTC is kicking butt. None of your altcoins have performed better.


And yet , it is mostly the BTC miners declaring bankruptcy.
It is kicking the miners butt all the way to the poor house.  Wink

Many Altcoin stakers are able to weather their price drops without declaring bankruptcy.   Smiley
Imagine that. Sustainability , input costs matter.

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I keep proving you wrong, you keep shifting the goalposts. Nobody said anything about BTC miners but you. I don't care about the bankruptcy of BTC miners and I sincerely doubt you do either.

Many altcoin stakers saw the value of their stake plummet 95%... If you want to earn via PoS you have to have a fat share of immovable coins. Not sure where you're going with this...

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