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November 15, 2018, 07:44:24 PM
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BCH ABC looks like in better position already by taking lead in hashpower. Spam attack on BCH ABC is on going but that has been over apparently what was dangerous and decisive. I hope Roger Ver and company will learn many things from all this through what they and their supporters went. Cooperation and no direct attack on others to create a more favorable coexisting atmosphere ahead.


sv getting the boot  Cheesy

A false sense of security where do you think all the hash power SV had went? did it just disappear no it's shadow mining on ABC and sometime maybe 24H later they will release all those empty blocks and rewrite the whole ABC chain since the fork and delete every transaction that has taken place.

If you or anyone else has purchased any ABC coin since the fork then it's not yours you will lose it
Hi tekster, its been a while , hope all is well.

I traded a bit of sv and bchabc on first few days of futures, then got out early.
I hold 0futures.

Even if sv is shadowing, the damage to their rep is done.
Not only in the crypto world, but in the financial world too.
They have shown themselves to be bad actors with a terrible attitude towards all.

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November 15, 2018, 07:52:30 PM
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SV is quiet, a little TOO quiet
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November 15, 2018, 08:56:37 PM
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Why are Bitcoin SV blocks way bigger in kB than in Bincoin ABC as reported on coin dance?  Smiley

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November 15, 2018, 09:05:59 PM
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Sorry maybe i will make a question that has been asked yet: if i have my bch in my trezor, after the fork i will have both of the forked coins?

https://blog.trezor.io/bitcoin-cash-november-2018-hard-fork-advisory-ee2a444f5a21
I still do not understand, you can say more clearly. I have 100 BCH in Trezor purse. After falling 3, what will I get?


if i've understood well the previous kind replies, you will have, after the fork, 100 BCH abc and 100 BCH BSV (Bitcoin Satoshi's Vision)
Anyway, too many fork in my hopinion Sad
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November 15, 2018, 09:25:52 PM
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Sorry maybe i will make a question that has been asked yet: if i have my bch in my trezor, after the fork i will have both of the forked coins?

https://blog.trezor.io/bitcoin-cash-november-2018-hard-fork-advisory-ee2a444f5a21
I still do not understand, you can say more clearly. I have 100 BCH in Trezor purse. After falling 3, what will I get?


if i've understood well the previous kind replies, you will have, after the fork, 100 BCH abc and 100 BCH BSV (Bitcoin Satoshi's Vision)
Anyway, too many fork in my hopinion Sad

This is part that I am not certain about, if he/she has before the fork 100 bch then after the fork would he have 100 bchabc, 100 bchsv and 100 bch or would he have just 100 bchabc and 100 bchsv and bch no longer exists.
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November 15, 2018, 09:46:38 PM
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BCH ABC looks like in better position already by taking lead in hashpower. Spam attack on BCH ABC is on going but that has been over apparently what was dangerous and decisive. I hope Roger Ver and company will learn many things from all this through what they and their supporters went. Cooperation and no direct attack on others to create a more favorable coexisting atmosphere ahead.


sv getting the boot  Cheesy

A false sense of security where do you think all the hash power SV had went? did it just disappear no it's shadow mining on ABC and sometime maybe 24H later they will release all those empty blocks and rewrite the whole ABC chain since the fork and delete every transaction that has taken place.

If you or anyone else has purchased any ABC coin since the fork then it's not yours you will lose it
Hi tekster, its been a while , hope all is well.

I traded a bit of sv and bchabc on first few days of futures, then got out early.
I hold 0futures.

Even if sv is shadowing, the damage to their rep is done.
Not only in the crypto world, but in the financial world too.
They have shown themselves to be bad actors with a terrible attitude towards all.

I'm doing good but don't get your hopes up or me returning and no I've not left the space just can't be bothered here there are more than enough members trying to help out

As for the shadow mining if nchain are doing so which is highly likely due to missing hash power and openly saying they will I would expect it to come after around 90 or so blocks to invalidate every coinbase transaction since the miners have to wait for 100 blocks before they can be moved
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November 15, 2018, 10:10:22 PM
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I have amount of BCH in my blockchain account . After hardfork will I get same amount of other new crypto or not.
and if yes how would I can claim it.

You dont claim it exactly, theres two blockchains and after the fork in that previous path now you can use your key on both of these blockchains.    As soon as you do this you should move the value from BCH wallet as well as your new wallet for the new split blockchain.

The thing I wonder about is the people with keys (cold wallets) from prior to the original BTC and BCH split, would they also be able to use that original value from last summer on this new blockchain.  My guess is yes but its getting confusing at this point.


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November 15, 2018, 10:15:38 PM
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BCH ABC looks like in better position already by taking lead in hashpower. Spam attack on BCH ABC is on going but that has been over apparently what was dangerous and decisive. I hope Roger Ver and company will learn many things from all this through what they and their supporters went. Cooperation and no direct attack on others to create a more favorable coexisting atmosphere ahead.


sv getting the boot  Cheesy

A false sense of security where do you think all the hash power SV had went? did it just disappear no it's shadow mining on ABC and sometime maybe 24H later they will release all those empty blocks and rewrite the whole ABC chain since the fork and delete every transaction that has taken place.

If you or anyone else has purchased any ABC coin since the fork then it's not yours you will lose it
Hi tekster, its been a while , hope all is well.

I traded a bit of sv and bchabc on first few days of futures, then got out early.
I hold 0futures.

Even if sv is shadowing, the damage to their rep is done.
Not only in the crypto world, but in the financial world too.
They have shown themselves to be bad actors with a terrible attitude towards all.

I'm doing good but don't get your hopes up or me returning and no I've not left the space just can't be bothered here there are more than enough members trying to help out

As for the shadow mining if nchain are doing so which is highly likely due to missing hash power and openly saying they will I would expect it to come after around 90 or so blocks to invalidate every coinbase transaction since the miners have to wait for 100 blocks before they can be moved
Calm down, i wasn't missing you,lol, i was just wishing you well   Kiss

Its all good, as promised more hash will be coming towards bu/abc,
and more and more will keep coming now that we know what we need to do to protect ALL crypto holders from this bad actor group.
 long term this is very good for BCH.


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November 15, 2018, 10:50:57 PM
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The behavior of this coin surprised me. I was once again convinced that Bitcoin cash is a very unpredictable, but interesting coin.

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November 15, 2018, 10:53:01 PM
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Who knows, the site fork.lol now shows the correct statistics? Is there an analog with all chains (bct/and/sv)?
Coin.dance is nice, but it hasn't enough statistics for me Sad
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November 15, 2018, 10:55:06 PM
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We’ve finished converting all BCH balances to BCHABC and BCHSV. The BCH market is now disabled. BCHABC/BTC, BCHSV/BTC, BCHABC/USDC, and BCHSV/USDC markets are open. Deposits and withdrawals of BCHABC and BCHSV are still paused, and will remain paused until the networks stabilize.Posted by The Poloniex Team at 2018-11-15

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November 15, 2018, 10:57:08 PM
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I hope that after the fork this coin will become even stronger and more interesting. At the moment I consider this coin as a long-term investment.
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November 15, 2018, 11:57:57 PM
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I hope that after the fork this coin will become even stronger and more interesting. At the moment I consider this coin as a long-term investment.

why on hitbtc i can see bch 407 bch abc 313 and bchsv 96 dollars why is bch still trading any why dont we have three coins? do we still get the original bch coins from poloniex?
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November 16, 2018, 01:01:49 AM
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I hope that after the fork this coin will become even stronger and more interesting. At the moment I consider this coin as a long-term investment.

why on hitbtc i can see bch 407 bch abc 313 and bchsv 96 dollars why is bch still trading any why dont we have three coins? do we still get the original bch coins from poloniex?
original bch coins is bchabc Smiley
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November 16, 2018, 01:25:51 AM
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I hope that after the fork this coin will become even stronger and more interesting. At the moment I consider this coin as a long-term investment.

why on hitbtc i can see bch 407 bch abc 313 and bchsv 96 dollars why is bch still trading any why dont we have three coins? do we still get the original bch coins from poloniex?
original bch coins is bchabc Smiley

so why are two prices shown whose trading it i thought those coins were disabled
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November 16, 2018, 02:38:16 AM
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It is understandable that the BCH will soon die and give way to the other two coinage is ABC and SV. I think this will be a new choice for investors because I realize the potential for this success and we will certainly have a better name than Bitcoin Cash. Anyway congratulations on this process

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November 16, 2018, 02:41:57 AM
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Fascinating. Andreas Brekken just stated on livestream that the ABC team reached out some time ago to all exchanges, and pushed out a patch that invalidates deep reorgs. Further, that all exchanges will be implementing another patch that includes what he termed a centralized checkpoint. The net result of all this, if true, is that SV will be unable to reorg the ABC chain out of existence. No matter what the relative hashpower may be.

There had previously been a shared assumption that SV forces had dedicated a large chunk of hash power to mining a parallel secret chain of empty ABC blocks. One that they would later -- at a time of maximum disruption -- release this chain. This secretly mined empty block SV-ABC chain, being longer than the ABC-ABC chain, which would invalidate the ABC-ABC chain. This would have invalidated all the previous 'settled' ABC txs.

Assuming that ABC indeed has all the exchanges lined up, this attack is largely nullified.

The ABC-ers seem to celebrating what they are terming a win. I don't understand this, unless their concept of 'win' is 'unable to be reorged out of existence'. Certainly, this does not preclude SV existing into the future, or even still to become the preponderance of economic activity.

And I was so looking forward to seeing an actual hash war.

Though the future will still be quite fascinating regardless. I've not seen what SV's response will be.

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November 16, 2018, 02:54:45 AM
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Fascinating. Andreas Brekken just stated on livestream that the ABC team reached out some time ago to all exchanges, and pushed out a patch that invalidates deep reorgs. Further, that all exchanges will be implementing another patch that includes what he termed a centralized checkpoint. The net result of all this, if true, is that SV will be unable to reorg the ABC chain out of existence. No matter what the relative hashpower may be.

There had previously been a shared assumption that SV forces had dedicated a large chunk of hash power to mining a parallel secret chain of empty ABC blocks. One that they would later -- at a time of maximum disruption -- release this chain. This secretly mined empty block SV-ABC chain, being longer than the ABC-ABC chain, which would invalidate the ABC-ABC chain. This would have invalidated all the previous 'settled' ABC txs.

Assuming that ABC indeed has all the exchanges lined up, this attack is largely nullified.

The ABC-ers seem to celebrating what they are terming a win. I don't understand this, unless their concept of 'win' is 'unable to be reorged out of existence'. Certainly, this does not preclude SV existing into the future, or even still to become the preponderance of economic activity.

And I was so looking forward to seeing an actual hash war.

Though the future will still be quite fascinating regardless. I've not seen what SV's response will be.

So they just released a coded checkpoint in a program update or activated a checkpoint server?

Do you have any link with more details, about how deep of a reorg is allowed?

Did they release the new program to the public or just the exchanges?

TIA.  Smiley

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November 16, 2018, 03:04:45 AM
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Fascinating. Andreas Brekken just stated on livestream that the ABC team reached out some time ago to all exchanges, and pushed out a patch that invalidates deep reorgs. Further, that all exchanges will be implementing another patch that includes what he termed a centralized checkpoint. The net result of all this, if true, is that SV will be unable to reorg the ABC chain out of existence. No matter what the relative hashpower may be.

There had previously been a shared assumption that SV forces had dedicated a large chunk of hash power to mining a parallel secret chain of empty ABC blocks. One that they would later -- at a time of maximum disruption -- release this chain. This secretly mined empty block SV-ABC chain, being longer than the ABC-ABC chain, which would invalidate the ABC-ABC chain. This would have invalidated all the previous 'settled' ABC txs.

Assuming that ABC indeed has all the exchanges lined up, this attack is largely nullified.

The ABC-ers seem to celebrating what they are terming a win. I don't understand this, unless their concept of 'win' is 'unable to be reorged out of existence'. Certainly, this does not preclude SV existing into the future, or even still to become the preponderance of economic activity.

And I was so looking forward to seeing an actual hash war.

Though the future will still be quite fascinating regardless. I've not seen what SV's response will be.

So they just released a coded checkpoint in a program update or activated a checkpoint server?

Do you have any link with more details, about how deep of a reorg is allowed?

Did they release the new program to the public or just the exchanges?

TIA.  Smiley


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November 16, 2018, 04:00:36 AM
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The ABC-ers seem to celebrating what they are terming a win. I don't understand this, unless their concept of 'win' is 'unable to be reorged out of existence'. Certainly, this does not preclude SV existing into the future, or even still to become the preponderance of economic activity.

And I was so looking forward to seeing an actual hash war.

Though the future will still be quite fascinating regardless. I've not seen what SV's response will be.

Your fork is currently 40 blocks behind ABC. Doesn't matter how you were defeated, fact is, you were defeated. The polite thing to do would be to throw in the towel and admit defeat. Though I'm certain this is an impossibility for you.
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