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December 18, 2017, 04:03:37 PM
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asked this above but it remained unanswered so I'm repeating :


Rob ,  is there a way to track all the history of MN winners from the very beginning using CLI ?

 "masternode winners"  outputs just a sliding 30 blocks window.


Dash has an excellent site for this purpose : https://www.dashninja.pl/

do we plan to have a similar service ?

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December 18, 2017, 04:18:43 PM
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touché, I am profit driven as well Smiley
I volunteered with the expectation that I would not necessarily be rewarded financially and I viewed it as a learning experience.
I will be happy to be paid for past work, but if not, that is okay as well Cool

That does bring up proposals!
Now that Masternodes are good, we have a Budget Proposal System:

http://wiki.biblepay.org/Create_Sanctuary_2#SUBMIT_PROPOSAL

Anyone can offer work and be paid in BBP coins from the new budget,
so anyone who was interested in bounties/rewards for work can now create budget proposals
and sanctuaries can vote to approve or deny the proposals

Block Reward Breakdown:
10% Charity
5% IT
2.5% PR (Public Relation campaigns)
2.5% P2P (orphan letter writing, Pay To Preach, Pay to be a Priest, FAQ writers, Social Media functions)
40% Miners
40% Sanctuaries (Masternodes)

Emission Schedule: http://wiki.biblepay.org/Emission_Schedule
For Example, assuming 70 million BBP coins are minted January 2018, there will be:
7 million BBP for Charity fund
3.5 million BBP for IT fund
1.75 million BBP for PR fund
1.75 million BBP for P2P fund

We dont have any best practices yet, this is all very new, and Im curious to see what ideas and proposals people come up with!
and Im curious to see how this whole system evolves!


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December 18, 2017, 04:30:46 PM
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touché, I am profit driven as well Smiley
I volunteered with the expectation that I would not necessarily be rewarded financially and I viewed it as a learning experience.
I will be happy to be paid for past work, but if not, that is okay as well Cool

That does bring up proposals!
Now that Masternodes are good, we have a Budget Proposal System:

http://wiki.biblepay.org/Create_Sanctuary_2#SUBMIT_PROPOSAL

Anyone can offer work and be paid in BBP coins from the new budget,
so anyone who was interested in bounties/rewards for work can now create budget proposals
and sanctuaries can vote to approve or deny the proposals

Block Reward Breakdown:
10% Charity
5% IT
2.5% PR (Public Relation campaigns)
2.5% P2P (orphan letter writing, Pay To Preach, Pay to be a Priest, FAQ writers, Social Media functions)
40% Miners
40% Sanctuaries (Masternodes)

Emission Schedule: http://wiki.biblepay.org/Emission_Schedule
For Example, assuming 70 million BBP coins are minted January 2018, there will be:
7 million BBP for Charity fund
3.5 million BBP for IT fund
1.75 million BBP for PR fund
1.75 million BBP for P2P fund

We dont have any best practices yet, this is all very new, and Im curious to see what ideas and proposals people come up with!
and Im curious to see how this whole system evolves!



Yes Togo def deserves his rewards now. Lets be honest, who here has not read his installation guides?  Everyone has!

I think the IT budget should be bigger. Like 10%.
Or devs will devalue their time to compete for smaller and smaller left overs.

(IT dept always needs a bigger budget lol)
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December 18, 2017, 04:36:52 PM
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Dont be sorry Rob!, Only a few awesome volunteers helped test things in testnet while the rest chased profits Cheesy


You did it for profits too! You ask for money as I check the proposal. So you are not a volunteer.

Wait, lets stop here for a minute, I just want to stick up for Togo.  He had the intention of doing this for free even if we did not have a proposal budget.

He probably puts in a few hours a day manning all of our social media services and does not charge us for that.

Alex stayed up all night last night analyzing payments and prior blocks and does not charge for that.

I dont charge for being in slack and debugging with the devs.

But my point is, I do want our budgets to be strong enough to pay a team of developers, especially if our price rises.

So hopefully you wont consider me greedy (and no longer a volunteer) when I add a proposal for 40 hours of work.

 
I dont think we should be labeled as "greedy" as soon as we ask for something back, thats all.

You probably didnt even intend it that way either!

Just for transparency sake, Im going to eventually be adding proposals for 40 hour payroll every 2 weeks.  All the other time is pretty much volunteered- time spent answering emails for the pool, maintaining the pool, etc.

If we can make this a consistent business, our coin will thrive and grow forever!

Long live BiblePay!  All Grace to God, the Highest God, Yeshua.



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December 18, 2017, 04:44:48 PM
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Dont be sorry Rob!, Only a few awesome volunteers helped test things in testnet while the rest chased profits Cheesy


You did it for profits too! You ask for money as I check the proposal. So you are not a volunteer.

Wait, lets stop here for a minute, I just want to stick up for Togo.  He had the intention of doing this for free even if we did not have a proposal budget.

He probably puts in a few hours a day manning all of our social media services and does not charge us for that.

Alex stayed up all night last night analyzing payments and prior blocks and does not charge for that.

I dont charge for being in slack and debugging with the devs.

But my point is, I do want our budgets to be strong enough to pay a team of developers, especially if our price rises.

So hopefully you wont consider me greedy (and no longer a volunteer) when I add a proposal for 40 hours of work.

 
I dont think we should be labeled as "greedy" as soon as we ask for something back, thats all.

You probably didnt even intend it that way either!

Just for transparency sake, Im going to eventually be adding proposals for 40 hour payroll every 2 weeks.  All the other time is pretty much volunteered- time spent answering emails for the pool, maintaining the pool, etc.

If we can make this a consistent business, our coin will thrive and grow forever!

Long live BiblePay!  All Grace to God, the Highest God, Yeshua.




Don't take me wrong but, if youre doing/analyzing all this things so maybe somone will tell us why pool have again such big HPS2 per one rig? Is it a nod to big miners? because earlier it was big issue on the pool and bible_pay try to fight with it...
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December 18, 2017, 04:53:50 PM
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I am OK with the budget paid for work. But do not say "while the rest chased profits" since togo is also chasing profit. I knew he did a lot of work and deserve some compensation. But he should just propose one or two proposals.  

I suggest maybe there should be some restriction on proposal, like one or two in one week for each masternode?
Also, togo can propose some campaign like who has top 3 twitter likes will win some portion from the budget. This way he can easily be in the top 3.
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December 18, 2017, 05:04:28 PM
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So let me get this straight? BBP is now favoring big mining ops over everyone else?

Before that it was an arbitrary limitation that could be bypassed by running multiple instances.

So honest people with strong CPUs would get significantly less than people who were using the bypass.
I gotta admit that I simply couldn't be bothered to set up multiple clients.

Now it just takes your raw CPU power again.
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December 18, 2017, 05:20:44 PM
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So is 1.0.6.9 working?

it's working

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December 18, 2017, 05:20:53 PM
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So let me get this straight? BBP is now favoring big mining ops over everyone else?

Before that it was an arbitrary limitation that could be bypassed by running multiple instances.

So honest people with strong CPUs would get significantly less than people who were using the bypass.
I gotta admit that I simply couldn't be bothered to set up multiple clients.

Now it just takes your raw CPU power again.

When it works. I haven't been able to mine since Thursday. That's my biggest issue right now. Seems everyone is getting to mine, albeit in small chunks, while I can't get biblepay-master to mine anything. Can't even get my wallet to synch properly. Left my box compiling 1.0.6.9 and it will be that way until I get home. And then, it may or may not work and I'll have to d/l n compile ANOTHER mandantory update that may or may not work. Then, have to d/l another, etc. etc . If all I'm doing is d/ling updates and never getting to actually mine anything  while others are is quite frustrating. But I understand ur interest is with the big mining rigs becuz thats where profit is.

The interest isn't with the big mining rigs. I've been mining with a couple of 6+ year old shitty PC's for months and have nothing to complain about. I also think that people have been trying to help you all they can. Yes, it's frustrating when something doesn't work, but are you sure you did the following:

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- Delete blocks and chainstate folders, delete banlist, fee_estimates, governance, mncache, netfulfiled and peers

And then did a reindex?

1.0.6.9 is working fine for me btw Smiley

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December 18, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
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So let me get this straight? BBP is now favoring big mining ops over everyone else?

Before that it was an arbitrary limitation that could be bypassed by running multiple instances.

So honest people with strong CPUs would get significantly less than people who were using the bypass.
I gotta admit that I simply couldn't be bothered to set up multiple clients.

Now it just takes your raw CPU power again.

When it works. I haven't been able to mine since Thursday. That's my biggest issue right now. Seems everyone is getting to mine, albeit in small chunks, while I can't get biblepay-master to mine anything. Can't even get my wallet to synch properly. Left my box compiling 1.0.6.9 and it will be that way until I get home. And then, it may or may not work and I'll have to d/l n compile ANOTHER mandantory update that may or may not work. Then, have to d/l another, etc. etc . If all I'm doing is d/ling updates and never getting to actually mine anything  while others are is quite frustrating. But I understand ur interest is with the big mining rigs becuz thats where profit is.


pm me if you need help with linux install

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December 18, 2017, 05:54:36 PM
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Nerf herder, you should start providing screenshots of some sort, it seems to be only you having problems.

Not everyone, especially not the lead dev, can be there to baby spoon feed you how to fix your client.
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December 18, 2017, 05:57:20 PM
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Thats great!  I have a little more insight.  The Diff went up because Dark Gravity wave bases it on the last period, so it could take a few more blocks before the diff drops drastically.  I think its going to drop drastically because only half have upgraded. 

Additionally the non 1065 users only have a banscore of 5 per bad submitted block, so it will take a while for them to drop off your nodes.  They are now mining on a fork.

After diff drops below 5000 or so, more BBP should roll in for the earlybirds.
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December 18, 2017, 05:58:11 PM
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Nerf herder, you should start providing screenshots of some sort, it seems to be only you having problems.

Not everyone, especially not the lead dev, can be there to baby spoon feed you how to fix your client.

seems like he's having fun trolling here.   his pm wasn't about anything specific either

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December 18, 2017, 06:00:22 PM
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So let me get this straight? BBP is now favoring big mining ops over everyone else?

Before that it was an arbitrary limitation that could be bypassed by running multiple instances.

So honest people with strong CPUs would get significantly less than people who were using the bypass.
I gotta admit that I simply couldn't be bothered to set up multiple clients.

Now it just takes your raw CPU power again.

When it works. I haven't been able to mine since Thursday. That's my biggest issue right now. Seems everyone is getting to mine, albeit in small chunks, while I can't get biblepay-master to mine anything. Can't even get my wallet to synch properly. Left my box compiling 1.0.6.9 and it will be that way until I get home. And then, it may or may not work and I'll have to d/l n compile ANOTHER mandantory update that may or may not work. Then, have to d/l another, etc. etc . If all I'm doing is d/ling updates and never getting to actually mine anything  while others are is quite frustrating. But I understand ur interest is with the big mining rigs becuz thats where profit is.

The interest isn't with the big mining rigs. I've been mining with a couple of 6+ year old shitty PC's for months and have nothing to complain about. I also think that people have been trying to help you all they can. Yes, it's frustrating when something doesn't work, but are you sure you did the following:

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- Delete blocks and chainstate folders, delete banlist, fee_estimates, governance, mncache, netfulfiled and peers

And then did a reindex?

1.0.6.9 is working fine for me btw Smiley

For the Love of God, I have repeated this process like 5 times already today. So y do uy insist on continually telling me to do this? Yes, I deleted everything
Yes, I reindexed
yes, to whatever ur next stupid suggestion is. I have already done it. Can we try something different?

Wont b able to see 1.0.6.9 works or not until much later today, possibly could be next week b4 I have access to the machine again.
Don't even know if the code finished compiling at this point. I just know it was compiling b4 I left.

And what if this doesn't work? What then, after that I am just going to assume that you all are just keeping me from participating on purpose. Seems so odd that everyone else is getting to mine, but not me.

And if u think that that is Christian in any way shape or form, u guys really don't understand Jesus or what He was saying.

You could try reinstalling your OS to start completely afresh. No one else seems to be having your issue of hanging blocks anymore, so i don't think there is something wrong with the clean wallet itself in this department.

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December 18, 2017, 06:02:37 PM
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Nerf herder, you should start providing screenshots of some sort, it seems to be only you having problems.

Not everyone, especially not the lead dev, can be there to baby spoon feed you how to fix your client.

JC ,   can you help with this question ?

>> is there a way to track all the history of MN winners from the very beginning using CLI or anything else ?

>> "masternode winners"  outputs just a sliding 30 blocks window.

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December 18, 2017, 06:04:06 PM
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BBP will reach 10$ soon. as per christamas and other new projects charity
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December 18, 2017, 06:08:57 PM
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Nerf, Tiras is our Linux install guru, I'm pretty savvy at it to, PM the both of us if you need to.

Since you're having such major issues that no one else is reporting, I would do one of two things.  If this is a dedicated BBP mining box, the reinstall Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, then run the BBP install guide again from start to finish.  My guess is there is some sort of system conflict you're experiencing and a fresh install should do the trick.  If it's not a dedicate BBP mining box, then sudo apt-get remove some of the components listed in the guide, then start from the beginning of the Linux install guide.  My second guess would be an issue with where the Berkeley DB wound up.

Make sure you
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sudo apt-get upgrade
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

After you get to the step that reads something like this:
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sudo chmod 777 autogen.sh

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./configure LDFLAGS="-L${path_to_berkeley_db}/lib/" CPPFLAGS="-I${BDB_PREFIX}/include/ -march=native" --without-gui

Follow the rest of the guide.  Note any errors.  Let me or Tiras know, screenshots would be handy for me, can't speak for others.

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December 18, 2017, 06:13:35 PM
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Nerf herder, you should start providing screenshots of some sort, it seems to be only you having problems.

Not everyone, especially not the lead dev, can be there to baby spoon feed you how to fix your client.

JC ,   can you help with this question ?

>> is there a way to track all the history of MN winners from the very beginning using CLI or anything else ?

>> "masternode winners"  outputs just a sliding 30 blocks window.

Unfortunately no, I dont have the knowledge to assist there. Ive just experimented with other masternode coins in the past as an investor.
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December 18, 2017, 06:15:24 PM
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Nerf herder, you should start providing screenshots of some sort, it seems to be only you having problems.

Not everyone, especially not the lead dev, can be there to baby spoon feed you how to fix your client.

JC ,   can you help with this question ?

>> is there a way to track all the history of MN winners from the very beginning using CLI or anything else ?

>> "masternode winners"  outputs just a sliding 30 blocks window.

Unfortunately no, I dont have the knowledge to assist there. Ive just experimented with other masternode coins in the past as an investor.

hope Rob can clarify this

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December 18, 2017, 06:24:54 PM
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BiblePay - 1.0.6.9
Mandatory Upgrade


- Enable superblocks and masternode payments at block #21710

** Note: This is the linux upgrade.  Windows will be ready in 3 hours **



What happens to pool miners that don't upgrade by block #21710 .. do they get ignored or rejected by the pool?
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