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[jaapgvk]

The previous work should be rewarded. But you need to figure out a reasonable amount. It may take 10 hours for you to do that work. But it may take other 1 hour to do the same work. It depends on the experience and how your proposal can convince other people.

Also, we all benefit from the price increase recently.

@Rob and Togo. You've made some really valid points here. And I agree that I don't want to bog down progress by taking a 'bureaucratic route'. But I also don't want people turning sour because they don't get payed after putting in many hours in a side-project that just isn't 'it' for Biblepay.

And I'd like to add that I haven't voted 'no' on any of the proposals yet (including nananaminers), I just voted 'yes' on the ones I absolutely agree with. For the rest of the proposals, I'd rather have a dialogue about pro's and con's before commiting. But as I said: you've made some excellent points, and I really like your spirit Togo, and I absolutely see the value you have added to this project.

Seekselince1's point was also in the back of my mind. I just want this project to get the right exposure and development, and for that, we need the right people in the right place. And I'm trying to determine what that means, that's all

[bible_pay]

I just added Vote For Proposal and Vote Against proposal in the right click of the proposal and made it a little nicer.

I was wondering in what situations should the "abstain" vote be made? If you don't have a strong opinion either way, is it better to vote "abstain" or just to ignore a proposal?

By the way, copying to clipboard does not seem to work for me (Windows 10 Chrome). Not important, just wanted to inform you. And yes, the popup content definitely looks nicer now!

With abstain we can chart community vote coverage, if people ignore, we cant.

The copy to clipboard function behind the scenes is there and works in ie and firefox, but there is an issue in Chrome in the forums, something about security and its currently too convoluted to implement, so Im waiting to see if any updates fix it, or if we need to download a helper class for chrome.

[noloco]

Coinmarket still redirecting to LTC trading when following the link for BPP. Any update on new exchanges/fix to current ones?

[616westwarmoth]

Again, this is not a knock on anyone.  But people volunteered their skills to make this coin a success.  I am a little if-fy on a few parts of one of Togo's proposals, but since he's shown to be such a vital asset to the community with his PR activities I think he needs rewarded.  Writing a script to install, which was likely based on Togo's guide?  Good but I don't really see that as such monumental contribution (although I have yet to vote on it and will likely vote yes).  And this is coming from me, I spent nearly $450 on the logo contest and got donations worth about half that.  I haven't made a bit deal about that because, again, it was done prior to their being a budget and done with the knowledge that it was how "I could help" the coin.

In general, I feel that work done prior to budgets should have been done with the understanding it was for the community.  I would feel a lot different if the script was submitted to the main branch and added to the main branch.  But I also have to applaud the user for doing something for the community and more importantly, not being the one to complain or criticize the community for not saying yes.  That's probably the main reason I will vote yes on a proposal I am undecided about, has the user been valuable to the community?  Do I want to encourage future value from them?

I agree with Togo's point of work that work done in advance is in many cases ideal (since motivation or opportunity strikes at odd times, and if the work is done, there's no chance the proposal won't be followed up with).  However, I would say if it's not time sensitive, asking before doing would be preferred in my book.

On the subject of abstain, I've done that on a few proposals.  To me it's a sign that yes, I read and just couldn't decide how to vote, versus the chance a non-vote would be seen as apathy.

[tiras]

all MNs except for 3 are in WATCHDOG_EXPIRED" status !!


sorry for bolding, but it's kinda urgent .   
Can somebody shed some light ?

[webster22]

[New Proposal Added]

I don't have a sanctuary yet since my coins are stuck in C-Cex, but testing out the proposals in the meantime. (Thanks Togo for the nudge)
Here's my proposal for my auto pool mining script back in October.

http://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=56.msg920#msg920


Feel free to vote yes or no.
Cheers,

I believe we should reward people for previous work,

Let's step through the opposite scenario:
I don't do any work for the project, I just now make forum proposals,
I wait 2 weeks while we debate, my proposals get approved and budgeted,
and then January 1st, 2018 I start the Twitter, Reddit, Advertising/Marketing, Technical Writing, Testing and Documentation.

Would this have been best for the project?
Would the project have grown as much? and been as successful as quickly?

===

Maybe Im a bit of a wildcard, Im not a fan of the waterfall method, bureaucracy and red tape,
I strike while the iron is hot, while Im passionate (motivated),
I take risks, I jump into unknowns and am willing to be uncomfortable,
I love the agile method, throwing paint on the wall and seeing what sticks, the creative process.

To me this is a startup company and time is of the essence.
Rob can have a fantastic product, which he does, but if no one knows about it than its not worth much.
I stepped up and filled in the missing gaps and did my best to complement my skills to Robs.

===

A large risk/downfall of the propose and wait scenario,
someone could propose that they will do X, Y, Z, we pay them, and then they take the money and run,

in these back pay scenarios, we already see that the work is done and the value the work has broughten
(so the person doing the work took on the risk and sanctuary owners didnt take on any risk)

I was willing to take the risk.

===

I want everyone to be rewarded for their work. I encourage that we back pay to people who already did work.

Im with Togo on this one. I share his same spirit of innovation and the startup romanticism of have a spark at 11:30PM and hacking away till the early morning. That is where the real juice comes out. It is discouraging to have an idea, share it in a proposal, then find out no one wants it done. Like Togo said Agile over waterfall and red tape.

Take a risk! Believe! Look how far this project has come with Rob's initial "I wonder if we could hash the Bible....". Imagine if he had to go to a bank for a loan, write up a grant proposal, etc, etc. No he sat down, and did it, and now here we are!

I vote for innovation and 'crazy what ifs' all day everyday

[togoshigekata]

The previous work should be rewarded. But you need to figure out a reasonable amount. It may take 10 hours for you to do that work. But it may take other 1 hour to do the same work. It depends on the experience and how your proposal can convince other people.

Also, we all benefit from the price increase recently.

@Rob and Togo. You've made some really valid points here. And I agree that I don't want to bog down progress by taking a 'bureaucratic route'. But I also don't want people turning sour because they don't get payed after putting in many hours in a side-project that just isn't 'it' for Biblepay.

And I'd like to add that I haven't voted 'no' on any of the proposals yet (including nananaminers), I just voted 'yes' on the ones I absolutely agree with. For the rest of the proposals, I'd rather have a dialogue about pro's and con's before commiting. But as I said: you've made some excellent points, and I really like your spirit Togo, and I absolutely see the value you have added to this project.

Seekselince1's point was also in the back of my mind. I just want this project to get the right exposure and development, and for that, we need the right people in the right place. And I'm trying to determine what that means, that's all

I totally understand yalls viewpoints and concerns, I share the same, and I hope our different perspectives/beliefs/experiences will balance each other out

===

In hindsight I was kind of "bad" and didnt leave my proposals open for discussion before submitting them,
for any future proposals I will try to leave them open for at least a week or two.

===

> "I also don't want people turning sour because they don't get payed after putting in many hours in a side-project that just isn't 'it' for Biblepay."

If the person takes the risk of doing something that may not be approved, thats on them, Im okay with it,
and if we don't want to pay them or pay them less for their work because it is lower quality work or not worth what they proposed, than that is what we should do.
Its up to each person to decide how much risk they want to take. And its up to Sanctuary owners to decide what is worth what, what should be approved, what should be prioritized.

===

Again, this is not a knock on anyone.  But people volunteered their skills to make this coin a success.  I am a little if-fy on a few parts of one of Togo's proposals, but since he's shown to be such a vital asset to the community with his PR activities I think he needs rewarded.  Writing a script to install, which was likely based on Togo's guide?  Good but I don't really see that as such monumental contribution (although I have yet to vote on it and will likely vote yes).  And this is coming from me, I spent nearly $450 on the logo contest and got donations worth about half that.  I haven't made a bit deal about that because, again, it was done prior to their being a budget and done with the knowledge that it was how "I could help" the coin.

In general, I feel that work done prior to budgets should have been done with the understanding it was for the community.  I would feel a lot different if the script was submitted to the main branch and added to the main branch.  But I also have to applaud the user for doing something for the community and more importantly, not being the one to complain or criticize the community for not saying yes.  That's probably the main reason I will vote yes on a proposal I am undecided about, has the user been valuable to the community?  Do I want to encourage future value from them?

I agree with Togo's point of work that work done in advance is in many cases ideal (since motivation or opportunity strikes at odd times, and if the work is done, there's no chance the proposal won't be followed up with).  However, I would say if it's not time sensitive, asking before doing would be preferred in my book.

On the subject of abstain, I've done that on a few proposals.  To me it's a sign that yes, I read and just couldn't decide how to vote, versus the chance a non-vote would be seen as apathy.

616west I think you should be rewarded for the logo contest! This is your chance now!,
I would vote right away for a proposal for you to be back paid on the cost plus work you did based on a way lower BBP price, you deserve it!
I wasnt a fan of the logo the first week but its really grown on me and makes us look very professional.

There is still 200k+ BBP not requested for yet in the P2P fund
(EDIT: I spoke too soon, masternodes.online proposal will potentially eat up the remaining of that, there is still 600k in the PR fund, I would totally vote to use some of the PR fund for the logo since we have no PR people (yet)[I believe April might be writing up a PR proposal, I didnt want to speak for her, but she has done cryptocurrency PR for Factom in the past])

===

> "In general, I feel that work done prior to budgets should have been done with the understanding it was for the community"'

I disagree with this, I wouldnt have worked as hard if there was not going to be a potential reward,
I would have let others do the "free" work while my coins grow in value from their work while I contribute very little.
And I would have put my time and energy into other side projects.
I had at least somewhat of an expectation that I would be somewhat rewarded, whether that expectation was right or wrong, we shall see LOL.

This is the problem with other coins, they do not have a governance model / budget proposal system,
There is very little to no incentive for anyone to do any work, everyone wants to hold onto their coins.
Most people are profit driven, whether someone thinks its moral/right or not, profits get me going, its what motivates me to work hard.
(If anyone wants to do free work for me I am hiring LOL )

===

> "I am a little if-fy on a few parts of one of Togo's proposals"

If there is anything concerning please let me know! I will do my best to give more details or change things based on feedback.

[ferohers]

Again, this is not a knock on anyone.  But people volunteered their skills to make this coin a success.  I am a little if-fy on a few parts of one of Togo's proposals, but since he's shown to be such a vital asset to the community with his PR activities I think he needs rewarded.  Writing a script to install, which was likely based on Togo's guide?  Good but I don't really see that as such monumental contribution (although I have yet to vote on it and will likely vote yes).  And this is coming from me, I spent nearly $450 on the logo contest and got donations worth about half that.  I haven't made a bit deal about that because, again, it was done prior to their being a budget and done with the knowledge that it was how "I could help" the coin.

In general, I feel that work done prior to budgets should have been done with the understanding it was for the community.  I would feel a lot different if the script was submitted to the main branch and added to the main branch.  But I also have to applaud the user for doing something for the community and more importantly, not being the one to complain or criticize the community for not saying yes.  That's probably the main reason I will vote yes on a proposal I am undecided about, has the user been valuable to the community?  Do I want to encourage future value from them?

I agree with Togo's point of work that work done in advance is in many cases ideal (since motivation or opportunity strikes at odd times, and if the work is done, there's no chance the proposal won't be followed up with).  However, I would say if it's not time sensitive, asking before doing would be preferred in my book.

On the subject of abstain, I've done that on a few proposals.  To me it's a sign that yes, I read and just couldn't decide how to vote, versus the chance a non-vote would be seen as apathy.

Wish I could vote for you. I also think you should be rewarded.

[webster22]

Just another quick thought on this proposal re hours / past work / etc

Keep in mind anyone who works for BBP (and any other crypto) is taking a bigger risk than normal. Why?

1- Price of BTC could crash
2- Price of BBP could crash
3- Risk in cashing out ... some banks are seeing incoming fiat from coinbase as 'suspect'
4- Taxes (very murky area - is it an asset? a currency? etc)

Anyone working an hourly wage is taking a big risk that the coin may have no value or much less value when they get to the time of actually paying their bills in the real world.

On the other hand, of course, there is potential great reward. Prices of BBP/BTC could explode.

Just something to keep in mind. Working for crypto is much riskier than a real world job. So the pricing model in proposals should reflect this. I say let us be a bit lax and welcoming for the risk takers and past contributors so we encourage innovation and growth.

And its christmas remember ! 

[616westwarmoth]

The previous work should be rewarded. But you need to figure out a reasonable amount. It may take 10 hours for you to do that work. But it may take other 1 hour to do the same work. It depends on the experience and how your proposal can convince other people.

Also, we all benefit from the price increase recently.

@Rob and Togo. You've made some really valid points here. And I agree that I don't want to bog down progress by taking a 'bureaucratic route'. But I also don't want people turning sour because they don't get payed after putting in many hours in a side-project that just isn't 'it' for Biblepay.

And I'd like to add that I haven't voted 'no' on any of the proposals yet (including nananaminers), I just voted 'yes' on the ones I absolutely agree with. For the rest of the proposals, I'd rather have a dialogue about pro's and con's before commiting. But as I said: you've made some excellent points, and I really like your spirit Togo, and I absolutely see the value you have added to this project.

Seekselince1's point was also in the back of my mind. I just want this project to get the right exposure and development, and for that, we need the right people in the right place. And I'm trying to determine what that means, that's all

I totally understand yalls viewpoints and concerns, I share the same, and I hope our different perspectives/beliefs/experiences will balance each other out

===

In hindsight I was kind of "bad" and didnt leave my proposals open for discussion before submitting them,
for any future proposals I will try to leave them open for at least a week or two.

===

> "I also don't want people turning sour because they don't get payed after putting in many hours in a side-project that just isn't 'it' for Biblepay."

If the person takes the risk of doing something that may not be approved, thats on them, Im okay with it,
and if we don't want to pay them or pay them less for their work because it is lower quality work or not worth what they proposed, than that is what we should do.
Its up to each person to decide how much risk they want to take. And its up to Sanctuary owners to decide what is worth what, what should be approved, what should be prioritized.

===

Again, this is not a knock on anyone.  But people volunteered their skills to make this coin a success.  I am a little if-fy on a few parts of one of Togo's proposals, but since he's shown to be such a vital asset to the community with his PR activities I think he needs rewarded.  Writing a script to install, which was likely based on Togo's guide?  Good but I don't really see that as such monumental contribution (although I have yet to vote on it and will likely vote yes).  And this is coming from me, I spent nearly $450 on the logo contest and got donations worth about half that.  I haven't made a bit deal about that because, again, it was done prior to their being a budget and done with the knowledge that it was how "I could help" the coin.

In general, I feel that work done prior to budgets should have been done with the understanding it was for the community.  I would feel a lot different if the script was submitted to the main branch and added to the main branch.  But I also have to applaud the user for doing something for the community and more importantly, not being the one to complain or criticize the community for not saying yes.  That's probably the main reason I will vote yes on a proposal I am undecided about, has the user been valuable to the community?  Do I want to encourage future value from them?

I agree with Togo's point of work that work done in advance is in many cases ideal (since motivation or opportunity strikes at odd times, and if the work is done, there's no chance the proposal won't be followed up with).  However, I would say if it's not time sensitive, asking before doing would be preferred in my book.

On the subject of abstain, I've done that on a few proposals.  To me it's a sign that yes, I read and just couldn't decide how to vote, versus the chance a non-vote would be seen as apathy.

616west I think you should be rewarded for the logo contest! This is your chance now!,
I would vote right away for a proposal for you to be back paid on the cost plus work you did based on a way lower BBP price, you deserve it!
I wasnt a fan of the logo the first week but its really grown on me and makes us look very professional.

There is still 200k+ BBP not requested for yet in the P2P fund
(EDIT: I spoke too soon, masternodes.online proposal will potentially eat up the remaining of that, there is still 600k in the PR fund, I would totally vote to use some of the PR fund for the logo since we have no PR people (yet)[I believe April might be writing up a PR proposal, I didnt want to speak for her, but she has done cryptocurrency PR for Factom in the past])

===

> "In general, I feel that work done prior to budgets should have been done with the understanding it was for the community"'

I disagree with this, I wouldnt have worked as hard if there was not going to be a potential reward,
I would have let others do the "free" work while my coins grow in value from their work while I contribute very little.
And I would have put my time and energy into other side projects.
I had at least somewhat of an expectation that I would be somewhat rewarded, whether that expectation was right or wrong, we shall see LOL.

This is the problem with other coins, they do not have a governance model / budget proposal system,
There is very little to no incentive for anyone to do any work, everyone wants to hold onto their coins.
Most people are profit driven, whether someone thinks its moral/right or not, profits get me going, its what motivates me to work hard.
(If anyone wants to do free work for me I am hiring LOL )

===

> "I am a little if-fy on a few parts of one of Togo's proposals"

If there is anything concerning please let me know! I will do my best to give more details or change things based on feedback.

Just put in the proposal for the listing at Masternodes.online.  It's more expensive than .pro but has some good points (the biggest being they accept BBP).

Again, Togo, you've been awesome so I'm not trying to run you down.  I more or less just didn't grasp the Bloom proposal to it's fullest.

In the future, can we perhaps open the thread, discuss it for let's say five days and then put it up for vote?  I realize that may not always be practical, but that way if person "A" is thinking their work is worth $20/hr, and "B" thinks it's $15, it can be debated before submitting?

[bitstradescoin]

How it can beat market ?

[togoshigekata]

Again, Togo, you've been awesome so I'm not trying to run you down.  I more or less just didn't grasp the Bloom proposal to it's fullest.

In the future, can we perhaps open the thread, discuss it for let's say five days and then put it up for vote?  I realize that may not always be practical, but that way if person "A" is thinking their work is worth $20/hr, and "B" thinks it's $15, it can be debated before submitting?

I dont take it that way at all west, its good feedback! and good discussion! I hope I dont come off in any bad way, I like discussing

===

I raised my hourly rate based on the only money feedback I got from webster saying that my Sanctuary Guide was worth 3x more.

As a software developer in real life I make $30+/hour.
(I get paid quite a bit lower than what Im potentially worth as a dev,
but I traded pay for a smaller more laid back company and getting my own office )

Only after the fact of submitting all my proposals I finally looked up rates,
I found that technical writers get paid $20-25/hr bottom 10-25% https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes273042.htm
and that public relation specialists get paid $15-20/hr bottom 10-25% https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes273031.htm

So in the future I will try to reference data like this.

====

On the BLOOM PR proposal, its a potential double win,

April the Director of BLOOM (Be Loved! Orphan Outreach Missions) is comfortable with cryptocurrency,
so not only does BLOOM meet our 75% charity efficiency requirements, and is a christian nonprofit,
their director seems to be okay with being paid in BiblePay coins and submitting proposals herself.

Right now Rob handles all the Compassion stuff himself, I dont think anyone at Compassion knows about cryptocurrencies.
April and her team could pick up and do that same work that Rob currently does for Compassion.

But that's just win number one, win number two is that April has worked in PR firms
and has actually done PR for the cryptocurrency Factom 2 years ago and got them into Fortune, etc.
So this was also building a relationship with a PR person since we have no PR person yet.

I had some anxiety the whole time before meeting up with her,
Im your typical introverted/nerdy in the corner software developer who is a homebody hahaha,
so this was out of my comfort zone, and I had to represent us and sell BiblePay and answer lots of questions like Who is Rob? LOL

Ive emailed back with her a few more times after the fact explaining things and giving her more info,
Shes read the current proposals and I hope she submits a proposal because we could really use some PR
(I believe she will be submitting one, but we shall see).

There is still 600k BBP in our PR budget.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_relations

I dont want to speak too much for April or for BLOOM,
but I know I left out some details in the proposal that might help you understand the potential value here.

[togoshigekata]

Australian Pastor Steve Cioccolanti started a Crypto Christian Facebook Club: https://twitter.com/cioccolanti/status/943747394235023360
Anyone interested to join in?    https://www.facebook.com/21Million.Crypto.Christians

[tiras]

all MNs except for 3 are in WATCHDOG_EXPIRED" status !!


sorry for bolding, but it's kinda urgent .   
Can somebody shed some light ?

only 3 MNs are currently  enabled out of 51 .

can somebody explain what is happening with MNs ?

[616westwarmoth]

Thanks for talking more about Bloom.  That really helps to understand it.

One trap I think we risk falling into with comparing what we make in our normal jobs or what a pro makes is this.  If we compare what we "could" make in our normal job doing a non-related job, it compares apples to oranges.  So if a volunteer from a 3rd world country says they make $4/day and the job took 4 hours should we pay them $2?  Or if a pro athlete wanted to code for us, their time isn't really worth $50k/hour to do that coding.  Comparing to average wages is better, but the issue there is if I'm writing technical documents (which I think I write reasonably), I'm still probably not going to be as good as someone who does that for a living.  If we could hire a professional tech writer for $20-25/hr why would we pay the same for a non-tech writer to do the same?

I think over time we'll see some of this shake out and we'll start to see standard sorts of values be asked for.  But my opinion is our standard rate shouldn't be the same as the industry rate.  And certainly not if the person doing the work is not comparably trained/skilled to an industry professional.

[616westwarmoth]

all MNs except for 3 are in WATCHDOG_EXPIRED" status !!

sorry for bolding, but it's kinda urgent .   
Can somebody shed some light ?

only 3 MNs are currently  enabled out of 51 .

can somebody explain what is happening with MNs ?

Looking at masternode winners it looks like the Masternodes are still working (since there are ten different winners listed), it might be a reporting error.  However, the double winner issue is very apparent in the list.

[tiras]

all MNs except for 3 are in WATCHDOG_EXPIRED" status !!

sorry for bolding, but it's kinda urgent .   
Can somebody shed some light ?

only 3 MNs are currently  enabled out of 51 .

can somebody explain what is happening with MNs ?

Looking at masternode winners it looks like the Masternodes are still working (since there are ten different winners listed), it might be a reporting error.  However, the double winner issue is very apparent in the list.

watchman.py error:

Code:

 ./venv/bin/python bin/watchman.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/watchman.py", line 244, in <module>
    main()
  File "bin/watchman.py", line 191, in main
    perform_biblepayd_object_sync(biblepayd)
  File "bin/watchman.py", line 24, in perform_biblepayd_object_sync
    GovernanceObject.sync(biblepayd)
  File "lib/models.py", line 87, in sync
    (go, subobj) = self.import_gobject_from_biblepayd(biblepayd, item)
  File "lib/models.py", line 142, in import_gobject_from_biblepayd
    subobj, created = subclass.get_or_create(object_hash=object_hash, defaults=subdikt)
  File "/root/.biblepaycore/watchman/venv/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/peewee.py", line 4800, in get_or_create
    return query.get(), False
  File "/root/.biblepaycore/watchman/venv/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/peewee.py", line 3090, in get
    return next(clone.execute())
  File "/root/.biblepaycore/watchman/venv/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/peewee.py", line 2267, in next
    obj = self.iterate()
  File "/root/.biblepaycore/watchman/venv/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/peewee.py", line 2253, in iterate
    return self.process_row(row)
  File "/root/.biblepaycore/watchman/venv/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/peewee.py", line 2331, in process_row
    setattr(instance, column, func(row[i]))
  File "/root/.biblepaycore/watchman/venv/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/peewee.py", line 1072, in python_value
    return decimal.Decimal(str(value))
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/decimal.py", line 547, in __new__
    "Invalid literal for Decimal: %r" % value)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/decimal.py", line 3873, in _raise_error
    raise error(explanation)
decimal.InvalidOperation: Invalid literal for Decimal: '203,096'

[togoshigekata]

One trap I think we risk falling into with comparing what we make in our normal jobs or what a pro makes is this.  If we compare what we "could" make in our normal job doing a non-related job, it compares apples to oranges.  So if a volunteer from a 3rd world country says they make $4/day and the job took 4 hours should we pay them $2?  Or if a pro athlete wanted to code for us, their time isn't really worth $50k/hour to do that coding.  Comparing to average wages is better, but the issue there is if I'm writing technical documents (which I think I write reasonably), I'm still probably not going to be as good as someone who does that for a living.  If we could hire a professional tech writer for $20-25/hr why would we pay the same for a non-tech writer to do the same?

I think over time we'll see some of this shake out and we'll start to see standard sorts of values be asked for.  But my opinion is our standard rate shouldn't be the same as the industry rate.  And certainly not if the person doing the work is not comparably trained/skilled to an industry professional.

Understandably, but also there is a scarcity factor here, supply and demand,
how many Technical Writers and Public Relations people are also comfortable/knowledgeable about Cryptocurrency?
and also how many are specifically interested and knowledgeable about our project?

The U.S. vs the World pay rates is an interesting point, cryptocurrencies are a global currency,
most peoples pay is tied to where they live and the economic conditions and taxes/politics of where they live,
but since we all have internet access we can all work together, I wonder what the global payrate for work will be.

Id be interested on your thoughts on what you believe the different payscales and payrates for different jobs that have been proposed so far are.
And also what would be your payrate for researching, combining and publishing those results be?

[616westwarmoth]

Understandably, but also there is a scarcity factor here, supply and demand,
how many Technical Writers and Public Relations people are also comfortable/knowledgeable about Cryptocurrency?
and also how many are specifically interested and knowledgeable about our project?

The U.S. vs the World pay rates is an interesting point, cryptocurrencies are a global currency,
most peoples pay is tied to where they live and the economic conditions and taxes/politics of where they live,
but since we all have internet access we can all work together, I wonder what the global payrate for work will be.

Id be interested on your thoughts on what you believe the different payscales and payrates for different jobs that have been proposed so far are.
And also what would be your payrate for researching, combining and publishing those results be?

I agree that we probably get better content from our writers due to their knowledge and passion, but PR firms learn the jobs the cover as they cover them and I'd wager tech writers do to.  I'm not saying we should shop them out to "pros".

I'm not the best person to ask for a hard and fast number.  Because I believe that most of the work done should be below market rate because 1) It's a charitable cryptocurrency and 2) Most people doing the work are invested in the coin and benefit from the coin getting stronger.  That is not to say it should all be free, but if I so certain that something is good for the coin that I'm willing to spearhead the idea and make the proposal, I feel I should be willing to accept below market wages at this point since our shared believe is this coin will rise.

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I was really waiting for the launch of the masternode, you could not give me instructions on how to start, or how can I participate in the masternode?

http://wiki.biblepay.org/Create_Sanctuary
http://wiki.biblepay.org/Create_Sanctuary_2