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July 29, 2011, 02:10:26 AM
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@backburn: I also would like to hear what you say to hopping in on a long block to help out. I wouldn't mind "giving back" in a time of need.

I'd also like to get your opinion.  I've brought up the question in the triplemining pool thread, since they are currently on a 7 million share block from hell

I think that would be an excellent gesture of good will. We had a 6+ mill block when we were first getting started; it really hurts Sad
Thanks to the great majority of users sticking through, it eventually ended and let the good blocks roll. However, helping them gives you another hop target, which is sorta selfish in a way.

I know everyone is just trying to make a buck. Just remember, in the end patience pays off steady dividends and community is everything. The more pools that are out there, the better it is for bitcoins. As long as you can push a block a day, variance is not enough to worry about. I mean, we're all in this for the long run right?


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July 29, 2011, 02:19:47 AM
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@backburn: I also would like to hear what you say to hopping in on a long block to help out. I wouldn't mind "giving back" in a time of need.

I'd also like to get your opinion.  I've brought up the question in the triplemining pool thread, since they are currently on a 7 million share block from hell

I think that would be an excellent gesture of good will. We had a 6+ mill block when we were first getting started; it really hurts Sad
Thanks to the great majority of users sticking through, it eventually ended and let the good blocks roll. However, helping them gives you another hop target, which is sorta selfish in a way.

I know everyone is just trying to make a buck. Just remember, in the end patience pays off steady dividends and community is everything. The more pools that are out there, the better it is for bitcoins. As long as you can push a block a day, variance is not enough to worry about. I mean, we're all in this for the long run right?





If the hopping client were to implement such an algorithm, and you could count on the hoppers to jump in to help out on your worst blocks, would you still penalize hoppers?

My thinking is that hoppers bring a certain value to the pools.  We represent about 200 MH/s additional speed to a pool.  On average, we are there for 40% of a block (probably closer to 45% of a block with this algorithm), and thus we would be equivalent to 90 MH/s steady users.  That is useful, and I would think pools would be open to it.  If we give in on our position a little lower our profits a little, more pools might be open to running prop and it wouldn't be as much a game of cat and mouse.

On a side note, I'll probably get a lot of hoppers hating me for this, but what if you offered "priority QoS" access for 1% donors?
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July 29, 2011, 02:34:53 AM
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the ethical hopping was discussed and if that happen on certain situation can be more profitable that mining on backup pools

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July 29, 2011, 02:37:21 AM
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This thread is being trolled big time (my opinion)

@gnaget I'm not gonna hate you or something like that, you are free to do whatever you want in the bitcoin ecosystem like all of us. I'm definitely in to this for making some money. Helping the pools you say ? They implement obscure algorithms to make your work useless, hide fast blocks and not sharing them when they have the opportunity, advocate protecting miners from hoppers, who in fact are normal miners after all, and claim they break unknown rules, etc. I have an edge and I'm gonna use it.

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July 29, 2011, 02:48:09 AM
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However, helping them gives you another hop target, which is sorta selfish in a way.

I think we call that a win / win.  Smiley and a lot of do hoppers donate to the pools they hop, also.

I would like to +1 this feature. How hard would it be to set an option / role to help hopper friendly pools get over the hump?
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July 29, 2011, 02:54:29 AM
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This thread is being trolled big time (my opinion)

@gnaget I'm not gonna hate you or something like that, you are free to do whatever you want in the bitcoin ecosystem like all of us. I'm definitely in to this for making some money. Helping the pools you say ? They implement obscure algorithms to make your work useless, hide fast blocks and not sharing them when they have the opportunity, advocate protecting miners from hoppers, who in fact are normal miners after all, and claim they break unknown rules, etc. I have an edge and I'm gonna use it.

I'm definitely not trying to help the above mentioned pools. I'm talking about an option to help the pools that are polar opposite of what you say, that "allow" hopping and our increased profits. I feel like we are misunderstood in the community and a little positive outreach would help, optional of course.
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July 29, 2011, 02:56:46 AM
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Just code it in (or offer a bounty, if you can't code) and create a patch/pull request.

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July 29, 2011, 02:59:13 AM
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getting loads of errors.

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July 29, 2011, 02:59:19 AM
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They implement obscure algorithms to make your work useless, hide fast blocks and not sharing them when they have the opportunity, advocate protecting miners from hoppers, who in fact are normal miners after all, and claim they break unknown rules, etc. I have an edge and I'm gonna use it.

I'm not trolling any one, I see the benefit of hopping, and I see the benefit hoppers can bring.  My point is to help the pools that DON'T obscure their algorithms, or delay, or in any other way hamper hoppers.  I'm saying working together to the benefit of everyone.  We get more pools to hop on == win.  They get our help when they need it the most == win.

Look at backburn, he came in here pissed at us, and even he acknowledges it would be an "excellent gesture".  Look at tripplemining, they are planning on moving from a prop scoring method, and maybe if we jump in and help them, and promise to continue to help them, they won't, and we won't lose the pool.
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July 29, 2011, 03:01:30 AM
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getting loads of errors.



you got banned

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July 29, 2011, 03:02:18 AM
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Just code it in (or offer a bounty, if you can't code) and create a patch/pull request.

I'm willing to do so, but I want to make sure it will be utilized.  I'm pretty busy with my rigs already, and I don't want to waste my time.
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July 29, 2011, 03:03:52 AM
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However, helping them gives you another hop target, which is sorta selfish in a way.

I think we call that a win / win.  Smiley and a lot of do hoppers donate to the pools they hop, also.

I would like to +1 this feature. How hard would it be to set an option / role to help hopper friendly pools get over the hump?

You realise it will cost you coinage? Shares submitted to a prop pool with more than <diff> total shares will always have a lower value than shares submitted to a XXPPS pool. I understand your willingness to help, but the amount you lose is not going to be the same as any improvement during the first 42% of the round  due to changes bitclockers may or may not make to your account.

I think if hoppers are going to be penalised systematically, there should be some mention of it in their terms of service. Otherwise they're just ripping us off because they feel like it. If they'd mentioned in their TOS "Thou Shalt not Hop" I wouldn't have.

@Backburn - I won't hop if your rules explicitly state I have to stay there for the whole round. But you make no mention of this being an issue and then without even contacting us (you have our email addresses if you know which workers were hopping) you penalise our accounts - by half my hashrate in my case. Your actions cause more stales/incorrect/corrupt, for me 2 to 3 times any other pool.  You've treated us poorly by any standard and all you had to was put up a rule against leaving the round early. When most businesses do poorly by consumers they offer them something.  Wink

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July 29, 2011, 03:06:42 AM
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They implement obscure algorithms to make your work useless, hide fast blocks and not sharing them when they have the opportunity, advocate protecting miners from hoppers, who in fact are normal miners after all, and claim they break unknown rules, etc. I have an edge and I'm gonna use it.

I'm not trolling any one, I see the benefit of hopping, and I see the benefit hoppers can bring.  My point is to help the pools that DON'T obscure their algorithms, or delay, or in any other way hamper hoppers.  I'm saying working together to the benefit of everyone.  We get more pools to hop on == win.  They get our help when they need it the most == win.

Look at backburn, he came in here pissed at us, and even he acknowledges it would be an "excellent gesture".  Look at tripplemining, they are planning on moving from a prop scoring method, and maybe if we jump in and help them, and promise to continue to help them, they won't, and we won't lose the pool.

I wont help prop pools. That goes against hopper math and common goal: make pools change to a fair system (let them take the risk)
Ask c00w to implement it if he wants and go help pools as you wish

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July 29, 2011, 03:09:30 AM
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getting loads of errors.



you got banned

Same here, hes on a rampage.

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July 29, 2011, 03:13:34 AM
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Anyone feel like coding up and automatic getwork requester? That way I can go on requesting work from bitclockers and having it refused while I actually go to mine elsewhere. At least I would still feel connected to them. *snigger*

Actually on second thoughts ignore that. It'd be mean.

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July 29, 2011, 03:14:33 AM
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I've given up on them a week ago for the massive stale shares and dashboard errors not reporting them correctly. I still have 2 bitcoins in there (an error I think) hehe

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July 29, 2011, 03:15:17 AM
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Anyone feel like coding up and automatic getwork requester? That way I can go on requesting work from bitclockers and having it refused while I actually go to mine elsewhere. At least I would still feel connected to them. *snigger*

Actually on second thoughts ignore that. It'd be mean.

No, it would be fair.  He has no posted rules against hopping yet he sabotages his users, then let his users sabotage him back.

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July 29, 2011, 03:21:57 AM
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Just code it in (or offer a bounty, if you can't code) and create a patch/pull request.

I think I may have misunderstood the purpose of this discussion. I was under the assumption that this is a discussion about the development of bitHopper. In the spirit of the above assumption, I am sharing my opinions on said development, trying to foster discussion about the future of this software. I appreciate the great commitment that the devs have made and their decision to share with us. Of course they deserve compensation for their efforts, and I have donated and will do so again. If I am wrong in my assumption or my opinions are not appreciated by the members of this community, I would love to know.

That being said, my comment was strictly meant to inform the devs that I, too, would appreciate the option to help those pools that help me.
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July 29, 2011, 03:22:22 AM
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i am still able to log on to the pool account, though. and i have my BTC... but... i have 0.0988411 BTC confirmed and there's this rule: "Minimum amount for instant payment: 0.10 BTC"

btw, how can i be sure it's bitclockers pool i'm banned from?

EDIT: also, how do i fix stuff like this from happening all the time?

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July 29, 2011, 03:26:10 AM
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Just code it in (or offer a bounty, if you can't code) and create a patch/pull request.

I think I may have misunderstood the purpose of this discussion. I was under the assumption that this is a discussion about the development of bitHopper. In the spirit of the above assumption, I am sharing my opinions on said development, trying to foster discussion about the future of this software. I appreciate the great commitment that the devs have made and their decision to share with us. Of course they deserve compensation for their efforts, and I have donated and will do so again. If I am wrong in my assumption or my opinions are not appreciated by the members of this community, I would love to know.

That being said, my comment was strictly meant to inform the devs that I, too, would appreciate the option to help those pools that help me.


I assumed that was targeted to me.  There are many versions of bitHopper, with many devs, and they get merged together.  c00w is more or less the default fork
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