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August 01, 2011, 04:04:37 PM
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Do you haveby chance monte carlo sims with prop pools to be hopped and scored (ideally) or at least PPLNS pools as backup_latehop (on backup pools, select the one with the most shares currently)?

Even though I should know better, it still "feels" to bring potentially more output if you jump in on long rounds in these payout methods, as at least scored pays for sure more if you get in late (though you never know when "late" happens).

I wrote the sims from scratch to make 2 and 3d graphs of hop on v hop off v efficiency, so it's not modular. The reason i wrote them was to show that late hop on always reduces efficiency to below 1.0 . No one was following the math and everyone follows charts!

So I could write a sim for pplns to provide a similar graph of  hop on v hop off v efficiency if people want one, but for scored pools I'd need the algo for weighting shares and I don't think slush will make that happen in a hurry.

BTW, for me slush pays out well if you start at 0 and leave v early.

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August 01, 2011, 04:23:13 PM
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Slush is known to be broken, Meni's scoring claims to be hopping proof though. No worries, it's not that urgent and theoretically you should anyways just find out that it really only gives an expected value of 100%.

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August 01, 2011, 04:28:59 PM
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Slush is known to be broken

...and thats why i'd love to get my hands on his algo so i can find the max efficiency hop on/off points accurately.

I won't bother with Meni's. All those zeros would have my little macbook air churning for months! Plus I have no idea how to access opencl in R. But pplns might hold a few interesting surprises.

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August 01, 2011, 04:34:44 PM
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what exactly does mine_slush do? should I be mining them? I seem to be doing well with slush, but I know this could be luck.

Yeha the more I thought about mine_charity the more I thought it was the exact opposite of hopping and could possible lead to eff below 100%, I'm glad someone else did the math.

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August 01, 2011, 04:37:31 PM
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what exactly does mine_slush do? should I be mining them? I seem to be doing well with slush, but I know this could be luck.

Yeha the more I thought about mine_charity the more I thought it was the exact opposite of hopping and could possible lead to eff below 100%, I'm glad someone else did the math.

mine_slush hops on at 0 and off at 10%. My stats are broken atm, what are yours? (efficiency and shares submitted)

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August 01, 2011, 05:00:41 PM
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Slush is known to be broken
...and thats why i'd love to get my hands on his algo so i can find the max efficiency hop on/off points accurately.
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August 01, 2011, 05:08:13 PM
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mine_slush hops on at 0 and off at 10%. My stats are broken atm, what are yours? (efficiency and shares submitted)

Has the 10% figure been arrived at mathematically or is it just someone's best guess? I currently have slush disabled because I can't bear to watch the balance keep going down after leaving.
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August 01, 2011, 05:11:53 PM
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mine_slush hops on at 0 and off at 10%. My stats are broken atm, what are yours? (efficiency and shares submitted)

Has the 10% figure been arrived at mathematically or is it just someone's best guess? I currently have slush disabled because I can't bear to watch the balance keep going down after leaving.
Well, I remember reading somewhere something about a number in the 10-15% range that should be optimal for slush, so it can't be that bad.

Btw. I make more than 170% of expected value, these 0 rounds are just higher variance...

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August 01, 2011, 05:15:06 PM
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mine_slush hops on at 0 and off at 10%. My stats are broken atm, what are yours? (efficiency and shares submitted)

Has the 10% figure been arrived at mathematically or is it just someone's best guess? I currently have slush disabled because I can't bear to watch the balance keep going down after leaving.

Doesn't balance from every pool keep going down after you leave?

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August 01, 2011, 05:19:29 PM
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not exponentially Wink

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August 01, 2011, 05:20:47 PM
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mine_slush hops on at 0 and off at 10%. My stats are broken atm, what are yours? (efficiency and shares submitted)

Has the 10% figure been arrived at mathematically or is it just someone's best guess? I currently have slush disabled because I can't bear to watch the balance keep going down after leaving.

I was the same way until I figured it out.  Make sure that the role for slush is "mine_slush" and not just "mine".  Basically what happens is that on rounds less than 10 minutes you make a MASSIVE reward for the number of shares you submit (3-400% efficiency range) and on rounds longer than like 30 minutes you basically get nothing.  It works out to between 100-200% efficiency.  Been running it for a day myself and I am currently at over 150% efficiency.    Believe me, it works.  

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August 01, 2011, 05:27:33 PM
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what is "mine_friendly" and how it works?

While reading what I wrote, use the most friendliest and relaxing voice in your head.
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August 01, 2011, 05:39:34 PM
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It kills your hopping income by hopping back into long rounds of prop pools instead of mining at a proper backup pool.

We really should rename it "mine_charity"... You only risk being tagged by the pool as hopper and still loosing massive on long rounds, there is no reason other than charity to use this method.

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August 01, 2011, 05:40:52 PM
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api_key: <br/>Round Shares:([ 0-9]+)<br/>

For BTCPool24.com

Missing the "/" after "br"...
Adding them fixed it.
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August 01, 2011, 05:46:10 PM
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what is "mine_friendly" and how it works?


It is a way to mine hopper friendly pools, in hopes that it'll give hoppers a bad name.  Some people are more interested in squeezing every last percent of efficiency more than being good community members.  What it does is hop the pool normally, leaving after 43%, but when they have particularity bad blocks (> 200% difficulty) and there is nowhere to hop, it jumps to them to help get a new block. 
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August 01, 2011, 05:48:21 PM
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@MaGNeT:
Weird, I got the (badly translated...) german version and it reads
Code:
<span style="position: absolute; left: 318px; width: 190px; top: 44px; height: 49px;">
Aktueller Block: 139170<br>Aktuelle Difficulty: 1888786.71<br>PPS BTC/Share: 0.00002647<br>Runden Shares: 4687996<br><br></span>
Also you seem to have brackets () there?!

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August 01, 2011, 05:51:00 PM
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@MaGNeT:
Weird, I got the (badly translated...) german version and it reads
Code:
<span style="position: absolute; left: 318px; width: 190px; top: 44px; height: 49px;">
Aktueller Block: 139170<br>Aktuelle Difficulty: 1888786.71<br>PPS BTC/Share: 0.00002647<br>Runden Shares: 4687996<br><br></span>
Also you seem to have brackets () there?!

Maybe it depends on your IP?
I'm in the Netherlands, next to Germany so you would expect... German... But the stats page is English when I look at it Tongue
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August 01, 2011, 05:51:32 PM
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seem like bmunion's owner doesn't like the "attention" he's getting




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August 01, 2011, 05:52:27 PM
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seem like bmunion's owner doesn't like the "attention" he's getting





Or the pool just broke down a bit...
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August 01, 2011, 05:56:10 PM
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Oh well, fantastic choice to put pool.cfg in the repository after it was used as a custom user configuration. I had several customized pool configurations there, not to mention all the usernames and passwords. Now everything is lost during the pull.

A warning to everyone: backup your pool.cfg before pulling or commit it to the repository and merge, otherwise it's los!
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