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June 04, 2018, 11:59:58 AM
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@Tizona I'm really sorry to hear that, if could you PM me your Cloudbet nickname I'll investigate the matter with our support teams.

I furthermore do not understand why customers have to come to a forum to probably get their issue resolved? What about all the other Cloudbet customers who are not aware about this thread Huh

We would always recommend that our players contact our support teams first, ideally through our 24/7 live chat or email support - it is the fastest way to resolve most issues.

I am always happy to discuss any problems with players on the forums and will strive to help speed a resolution wherever I can, but most of the time I will be working with support teams to solve any issues so they should definitely be your first point of contact.

Thanks very much,

Ronnie @ Cloudbet

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I am collecting evidence against them with my lawyers from montenegro as that is where their headquaters are.
Do you have documents or confirmation from authorities in Montenegro about their company registration in Podgorica?

https://www.cloudbet.com/en/license

Cloudbet is registered under company called TIGER TREE HOLDINGS with address in Cetinje, Montenegro - https://opencorporates.com/companies/me/50721755

Their licence issuer is E GABMLING MONTENEGRO, that company is actually holder of ONE SINGLE licence from Ministry of Monetenegro and they are reissuing their licence to bunch of turkish and asian scam bookies like cloudbet. E GAMBLING MONTENEGRO is selling their "licence" to these scammers for 30,000-40,000 euro, where actually regular gambling licence from Maltese gambling authorites costs around 400,000 euros.


Owner of TIGER TREE HOLDINGS is Julka Vucinic who was not aware that this company is opened up on her name (she is 68 years old) and she also filed this claim to the police department for identity theft and fraud. She lives in Podgorica, Montenegro.

Location of TIGER TREE HOLDINGS (company behind Cloudbet) in Cetinje is an empty shop with a sign - FOR RENT on it.


I will continue posting information about these FRAUDS until they pay out every single DIME they have stolen from its users.
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June 04, 2018, 02:12:35 PM
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@betcloud-is-a-scam/Kukulelema/betexpert2018/Kraac

Creating multiple accounts on Bitcoin Talk to make your claims and dispute the decision taken by the ADR will not result in any changes, they are an independent organisation that works to mediate these conflicts. We complied fully with their investigation and based on the evidence we provided they sided with Cloudbet in this instance.

For anyone keeping score, and without giving away private information, this is the same group of accounts that have been back and forth on the forums for the past week or so, who were caught deliberately breaking our terms and conditions and then threatened us with bad PR when action was taken against them.

We are here to help to rectify issues for our players, but cannot allow Cloudbet to be publicly attacked in this manner by fraudulent account holders.

Thanks very much,

Ronnie @ Cloudbet


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June 04, 2018, 02:43:21 PM
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@edwardsdav I've just had word from our payment teams that your withdrawal has been processed, please check and let me know if there are any problems. Sorry again for the delay, but now that you have provided verification you should be free of any of these kinds of delays in the future.

Have a great day!

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June 04, 2018, 02:51:51 PM
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@edwardsdav I've just had word from our payment teams that your withdrawal has been processed, please check and let me know if there are any problems. Sorry again for the delay, but now that you have provided verification you should be free of any of these kinds of delays in the future.

Have a great day!

Ronnie @ Cloudbet

Yes, I received payment. thanks for help!
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June 04, 2018, 04:04:38 PM
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@edwardsdav Glad to hear it, have a great day!  Smiley

@game-protect I responded to your question by pointing you in the direction of the information you requested, and as a 'game protection expert' you should be fully aware of how Alternative Dispute Resolution organisation works.

I'm not here to be drawn into an argument with you like so many other gambling operators and players have been across multiple Bitcoin Talk threads, I'm simply asking that you avoid posting your 'legal advice' on our main thread as we have players that are new to the BCT forums that wouldn't necessarily know to check for a user's trust scores or posting history.

Thanks very much,

Ronnie @ Cloudbet

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June 04, 2018, 04:26:22 PM
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@zcisive Apologies for this, I know how frustrating waiting on withdrawals can be. We do sometimes have higher levels of requests over our peak periods at weekends, but that wouldn't explain a delay of this long. 

I have responded to your PM and am in contact with our support teams to track down the cause of the delay, they should be in contact directly but if you experience any further delay then please PM me and I'll escalate the ticket.

@betcloud-is-a-scam Thanks for getting in touch, please PM me your Cloudbet nickname and I'll investigate the situation for you as a priority.

As we mentioned before, we always pay out our legitimate customers. In a small industry like crypto gambling then reputation is key, and no site would survive long by taking advantage of their playerbase.

Thanks very much,

Ronnie @ Cloudbet



@Ronnie - Thank you for looking into this for me. I will let you know if I dont hear back from the support team in the next 24 hours. I am now at just over the 1 week mark since my request was put in so hoping to have this resolved soon.
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June 04, 2018, 04:36:57 PM
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@betcloud-is-a-scam/Kukulelema/betexpert2018/Kraac

Creating multiple accounts on Bitcoin Talk to make your claims and dispute the decision taken by the ADR will not result in any changes, they are an independent organisation that works to mediate these conflicts. We complied fully with their investigation and based on the evidence we provided they sided with Cloudbet in this instance.

For anyone keeping score, and without giving away private information, this is the same group of accounts that have been back and forth on the forums for the past week or so, who were caught deliberately breaking our terms and conditions and then threatened us with bad PR when action was taken against them.

We are here to help to rectify issues for our players, but cannot allow Cloudbet to be publicly attacked in this manner by fraudulent account holders.

Thanks very much,

Ronnie @ Cloudbet



This absolutly not true.

With who you worked with? With some organization you just made up???

Provide me, or anyone else with valid evidence. You have not even replied to any of my emails!
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I see now the company registration info for Tiger Tree Holdings, but where is the company registration info for E-Gambling Montenegro d.o.o. in Podgorica?

If I put E-Gambling Montenegro d.o.o. or the registration number 5-0615951 into https://opencorporates.com/companies/me/50721755 it says found 0 companies!

Have you seen the license issued by the Ministry of Montenegro to E-Gambling Montenegro d.o.o.?


Cloudbet is registered under company called TIGER TREE HOLDINGS with address in Cetinje, Montenegro - https://opencorporates.com/companies/me/50721755
The company info does not state that Tiger Tree Holdings is operator of Cloudbet?

How do you know that Cloudbet is operated by Tiger Tree Holdings? Any documents confirming this?

I will provide information about E Gambling Montenegro tomorrow.

Here is the official document issued by Montenegro goverment. Please note that cloudbet is not among sites who have a valid licence from E Gambling Montenegro - page 2 of the document.


http://www.upravazaigrenasrecu.me/1/images/Ugovori/Internet/Egambling.pdf
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June 04, 2018, 10:12:41 PM
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@edwardsdav Glad to hear it, have a great day!  Smiley

@game-protect I responded to your question by pointing you in the direction of the information you requested, and as a 'game protection expert' you should be fully aware of how Alternative Dispute Resolution organisation works.

I'm not here to be drawn into an argument with you like so many other gambling operators and players have been across multiple Bitcoin Talk threads, I'm simply asking that you avoid posting your 'legal advice' on our main thread as we have players that are new to the BCT forums that wouldn't necessarily know to check for a user's trust scores or posting history.

Thanks very much,

Ronnie @ Cloudbet


Can you provide this IP, these mails, what decide ADR?? What is excatly ADR? This is nonsense. You can see many topics about Cloudbet. Cloudbet is scam. This case report by police and lawyers. Where is contact ADR? You havent any number on site.
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June 05, 2018, 07:19:39 AM
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I see now the company registration info for Tiger Tree Holdings, but where is the company registration info for E-Gambling Montenegro d.o.o. in Podgorica?

If I put E-Gambling Montenegro d.o.o. or the registration number 5-0615951 into https://opencorporates.com/companies/me/50721755 it says found 0 companies!

Have you seen the license issued by the Ministry of Montenegro to E-Gambling Montenegro d.o.o.?


Cloudbet is registered under company called TIGER TREE HOLDINGS with address in Cetinje, Montenegro - https://opencorporates.com/companies/me/50721755
The company info does not state that Tiger Tree Holdings is operator of Cloudbet?

How do you know that Cloudbet is operated by Tiger Tree Holdings? Any documents confirming this?

I will provide information about E Gambling Montenegro tomorrow.

Here is the official document issued by Montenegro goverment. Please note that cloudbet is not among sites who have a valid licence from E Gambling Montenegro - page 2 of the document.


http://www.upravazaigrenasrecu.me/1/images/Ugovori/Internet/Egambling.pdf
Thank you very much!

Is this the document the Government of Montenegro currently publicly states? Because this license is 3,5 years old!

http://www.upravazaigrenasrecu.me/1/index.php/en/

You can see in that link what is the purpose of this ministry.

Also, they were given licence back in 2015 and the duration of these licences are 3 years. Since the contract was signed 10th of February 2015. E gambling Montenegro lost its licence!
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June 05, 2018, 07:27:21 AM
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E Gambling Montenegro DOO owes Montenegro 213.872,79 EUROS for unpaid taxes.


139. place (13th page)

http://www.poreskauprava.gov.me/ResourceManager/FileDownload.aspx?rId=228069&rType=2
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June 05, 2018, 07:33:55 AM
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Location of Tiger Tree Holdings DOO (company that is behind Cloudbet) also the location of TWELVE (12) other companies on the same address:

http://www.vijesti.me/media/cache/26/56/265619756b44b0dd3db86071b8378de2.jpg

Njegoseva street, house number 97, Cetinje Montenegro
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June 05, 2018, 07:43:22 AM
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Everyone please be aware that @Cloudbet has never answered a single question with a FACT, he is mentioning some ADR but never stated who or what they are or even stated EVIDENCE for not paying out their players.

On the other hand Cloudbet as a provider of gambling services CAN NOT freeze players assets/funds or BTC in this case - that is also a FACT.
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June 05, 2018, 09:54:19 AM
Last edit: June 08, 2018, 03:56:56 AM by gge
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Hi,

I've been helping one of my mates who lost 15 bitcoins on cloudbet because they closed his account. I've been doing lot of research on e gambling and its ceo. Here are many useful links with addresses, phone numbers social media etc.

CEO of e-gambling: Endre Kodolanyi
Linkedin- https://www.linkedin.com/in/endrekodolanyi/
Facebook- https://www.facebook.com/kodolanyi.endre
Twitter- https://twitter.com/endrekod
Google- https://plus.google.com/118348730117503965647
Youtube- https://www.youtube.com/user/Kodesz007
Pipl- https://imgur.com/a/IRN48zE
Phone number (hungary)- +36-70-387-17-77
Phone number (montenegro)- +38268435480

E-Gambling:
Address- Moskovska 65 Podgorica 81000
Email- office@e-gambling.me
Facebook- https://www.facebook.com/pg/E-Gambling-Montenegro-283876904958424/about/?ref=page_internal
Twitter- https://twitter.com/egambling_mne
Registration- Registration number: 50615951 81000 Podgorica, Moskovska br. 65.

Webgarden: Endres other company
Registration- Reg Nr.: 090319000122 244 Fifth Avenue, New York NY 10001, USA
Office (hungary)- 1143 Budapest, Stefánia út 16.
Office (montenegro)- THE CAPITAL PLAZA - WebGarden Group 8100 Podgorica, Sheikh Zayed street, Diplomat Tower
    Tax number: 13799195-2-42
    Community tax number: HU13799195
    Cg.01-09-905976
    DUNS Number: 52-524-0953
    Bank account number (HUF): 10918001-00000048-55600002
    Bank account number (EUR): HU63 1091 8001 0000 0048 5560 0033
        SWIFT: BACXHUHB
        Bank name and address: UniCredit Bank Hungary Zrt.
        1054 Budapest, Szabadsag ter 5-6.

Cloudbet:
https://twitter.com/cloudbet
https://facebook.com/cloudbet (unavailable, i think it existed few months ago but now it doesnt exist)
- associated with E-Gambling and Tiger Tree Holdings

Here are also some gov.uk links:
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/jh9-oCv6kEjDrteuwApI90et_no/appointments
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/H4hjQNhKA_I4-DOVPxkWlMAQvhM/appointments

The complete files on him:
https://ghostbin.com/paste/sxecz
https://ghostbin.com/paste/q9rvp
https://ghostbin.com/paste/3mu8b
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@gge thank you for the information, please contact me via PM as you have disabled contact from "newbies"
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June 05, 2018, 10:22:46 AM
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LATEST INFORMATION:

Uprava za igre na sreću of Montenegro or in English authority for gambling and online gambling has revoked licence from E GAMBLING MONTENEGRO due to debts for taxes and because they did not connect to online surveliance of their business operatives in field of online gambling.


I will provide evidence for this with proper documentation very soon.



CLOUDBET HAS:

ABSOLUTLY NO LICENSE
OWNERS ARE BASED ON IDENTITY THEFT
AND THEIR LOCATION IN MONTENEGRO IS AN EMPTY STORE FRONT



THESE ARE FACTS!
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June 05, 2018, 10:45:58 AM
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@gge thank you for the information, please contact me via PM as you have disabled contact from "newbies"

I get the same thing when I PM you  Smiley. I disabled the setting on my account so you should be able to PM me now.
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June 05, 2018, 11:30:09 AM
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Copy paste from cloudbet.com website:

"Cloudbet is a licensed bitcoin betting site by E-Gambling Montenegro.

E Gambling Montenegro d.o.o (Podgorica, Moskovska br. 65., reg. no. 5-0615951) hereby certifies that under the concession (serial no. AA 001588, numeric no. 133-01/15 5A i 1ERR) and approval (no. 02/02-118/4), organize and operate games of chance in Montenegro on website  in accordance with the Agreement on management and financial cooperation, concluded between E Gambling Montenegro d.o.o. and TIGER TREE HOLDINGS do.o.o (Cetinje, Njegoseva br. 97., reg. no. 50721755) TIN: 03035166 on 5 March, 2015 which is valid from 05 March, 2017 until 05 September 2018."


Cloudbet.com facts and figures:

  • Cloudbet.com has no license whatsoever
    E Gambling Montenegro has no licence - it was revoked from them last year. E gambling Montenegro by the law CAN NOT give gambling licenses to other companies.
    Company that is behind Cloudbet.com is Tiger Tree Holding DOO which is opened up on stolen ID and it is a case of Identity theft
    Tiger Tree Holdings DOO location is an empty store front in Cetinje, Montenegro. Also on this address there are 12 more other companies registered - also frauds.


THESE ARE FACTS!
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June 05, 2018, 11:56:50 AM
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@betcloud-is-a-scam/Kukulelema/betexpert2018/Kraac

Creating multiple accounts on Bitcoin Talk to make your claims and dispute the decision taken by the ADR will not result in any changes, they are an independent organisation that works to mediate these conflicts. We complied fully with their investigation and based on the evidence we provided they sided with Cloudbet in this instance.

For anyone keeping score, and without giving away private information, this is the same group of accounts that have been back and forth on the forums for the past week or so, who were caught deliberately breaking our terms and conditions and then threatened us with bad PR when action was taken against them.

We are here to help to rectify issues for our players, but cannot allow Cloudbet to be publicly attacked in this manner by fraudulent account holders.

Thanks very much,

Ronnie @ Cloudbet



I would be REALLY careful if I were you.

Because everything you wrote is a LIE and your lack of evidence providing any kind of proof for accusations will help every single one of your users leave you.

You are closing accounts just because they are making profit.

ANOTHER FACT: cloudbet.com or any other gambling company CAN NOT obtain players funds and are obligated to pay out, otherwise you are making a felony which is classic case of THEFT.
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