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April 05, 2014, 03:50:01 PM
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happy to be on it if you're so blind that you cannot see the problem with this.

Don't get emotionally involved with your coin choice.

I actually agree with you. The built-in client can be confusing for people used to bitcoin and the it's clones. People don't read the dialog box at the login. You probably just hit entered without entering any passphrase. That client (which was supposed to be temporary) lasted way too long. It's sceduled to be replaced with this one in near future

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

Try that one and it won't let you make that mistake easily, as it will create the pass phrase for you.

Thank you for the non-insulting comment. Patience & tolerance seem to be lacking in this thread.

I think it's fair to say that if this client that I downloaded yesterday and ran on the most common os in mass use can screw up that badly at protecting me from myself then this coin is not for me and I will not bet on it's future adoption. Had this occurred late last year when this thing was new I could've excused this, but after months if this thing is still to dumb to protect people that re-use another's password then I have no hope for it.

That's a bit rich, you just ignore my questions when I keep trying to help you.

You don't seem to get it. I understand what happened now. I just think this thing is a dead end if it's not any smarter than that.
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April 05, 2014, 03:50:52 PM
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I will give @solarion the *benefit of the doubt* rather than just "shooting him down in flames".

Yes - it is unfortunate that the "default" client doesn't stop you from entering an "empty" password (or a non-secure one for that matter).

As has been mentioned this will be addressed when the "new" client becomes part of the Nxt standard software.

Understand that early Bitcoin versions had even worse problems (gmaxwell has mentioned some of those) so always when using "alpha" software *be very careful*.

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April 05, 2014, 03:51:28 PM
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1593 or 1592 less the nonsensical minimum transaction fee.

PM me your Nxt account # associated with YOUR password and I'll send you 1593 later, I think you should at least stick around so you can try Asset Exchange and some other really neat features being released soon.

If you do follow his advice, don't choose your password. It needs to be very strong with 128-bit entropy

Try this client

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

let it create 12 word password (and save it) losing password means losing your account . It can be recovered.

Thank you, there are entirely too many competitors to waste any more time on a product as unrefined as this one. I wish you guys well though.
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April 05, 2014, 03:53:23 PM
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1593 or 1592 less the nonsensical minimum transaction fee.

PM me your Nxt account # associated with YOUR password and I'll send you 1593 later, I think you should at least stick around so you can try Asset Exchange and some other really neat features being released soon.

If you do follow his advice, don't choose your password. It needs to be very strong with 128-bit entropy

Try this client

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

let it create 12 word password (and save it) losing password means losing your account . It can be recovered.

Thank you, there are entirely too many competitors to waste any more time on a product as unrefined as this one. I wish you guys well though.

Have fun (with all bitcoin clones).

See you.

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April 05, 2014, 03:55:07 PM
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happy to be on it if you're so blind that you cannot see the problem with this.

Don't get emotionally involved with your coin choice.

I actually agree with you. The built-in client can be confusing for people used to bitcoin and the it's clones. People don't read the dialog box at the login. You probably just hit entered without entering any passphrase. That client (which was supposed to be temporary) lasted way too long. It's sceduled to be replaced with this one in near future

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

Try that one and it won't let you make that mistake easily, as it will create the pass phrase for you.

Thank you for the non-insulting comment. Patience & tolerance seem to be lacking in this thread.

I think it's fair to say that if this client that I downloaded yesterday and ran on the most common os in mass use can screw up that badly at protecting me from myself then this coin is not for me and I will not bet on it's future adoption. Had this occurred late last year when this thing was new I could've excused this, but after months if this thing is still to dumb to protect people that re-use another's password then I have no hope for it.

The point of Nxt is to be able to access your Nxt from any computer at any location, so we can't have safeguards warning of duplicated password logins.  The best thing to do is memorize the last 5-6 digits of your account #, so that you know something is wrong if you enter the wrong passcode.
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April 05, 2014, 03:55:42 PM
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1593 or 1592 less the nonsensical minimum transaction fee.

PM me your Nxt account # associated with YOUR password and I'll send you 1593 later, I think you should at least stick around so you can try Asset Exchange and some other really neat features being released soon.

I appreciate it bud, but I have the coin to spare. The loss is not a big deal to me. I was just excited to try out a coin with so much buzz behind it. I set up 5 other chains and funded new wallets yesterday on the same virtual machine and all went without a hitch. THEN I got to next. I might have just been tired by that point, but these problems seem pretty glaring to me.
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April 05, 2014, 03:56:03 PM
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...playing ALL stupid too...

Maybe so (notice I did not *offer him NXT*).

Sometimes it is best to just try and patiently explain things until they "sink in" rather than "getting upset" (this applies to both sides of course).

Even the "die hard supporters" must admit that Nxt is still *in alpha* and is nowhere near ready for "mainstream usage yet".

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April 05, 2014, 03:56:51 PM
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1593 or 1592 less the nonsensical minimum transaction fee.

PM me your Nxt account # associated with YOUR password and I'll send you 1593 later, I think you should at least stick around so you can try Asset Exchange and some other really neat features being released soon.

If you do follow his advice, don't choose your password. It needs to be very strong with 128-bit entropy

Try this client

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

let it create 12 word password (and save it) losing password means losing your account . It can be recovered.

Thank you, there are entirely too many competitors to waste any more time on a product as unrefined as this one. I wish you guys well though.

No worries, if you change your mind in the next 24 hours, PM me, otherwise the 1593 is going to Evil Dave.
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April 05, 2014, 03:57:19 PM
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happy to be on it if you're so blind that you cannot see the problem with this.

Don't get emotionally involved with your coin choice.

I actually agree with you. The built-in client can be confusing for people used to bitcoin and the it's clones. People don't read the dialog box at the login. You probably just hit entered without entering any passphrase. That client (which was supposed to be temporary) lasted way too long. It's sceduled to be replaced with this one in near future

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

Try that one and it won't let you make that mistake easily, as it will create the pass phrase for you.

Thank you for the non-insulting comment. Patience & tolerance seem to be lacking in this thread.

I think it's fair to say that if this client that I downloaded yesterday and ran on the most common os in mass use can screw up that badly at protecting me from myself then this coin is not for me and I will not bet on it's future adoption. Had this occurred late last year when this thing was new I could've excused this, but after months if this thing is still to dumb to protect people that re-use another's password then I have no hope for it.

The point of Nxt is to be able to access your Nxt from any computer at any location, so we can't have safeguards warning of duplicated password logins.  The best thing to do is memorize the last 5-6 digits of your account #, so that you know something is wrong if you enter the wrong passcode.

I get that. Think I'd rather stick to coins with wallet.dat files and move coins to online wallets as necessary.
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April 05, 2014, 04:00:55 PM
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happy to be on it if you're so blind that you cannot see the problem with this.

Don't get emotionally involved with your coin choice.

I actually agree with you. The built-in client can be confusing for people used to bitcoin and the it's clones. People don't read the dialog box at the login. You probably just hit entered without entering any passphrase. That client (which was supposed to be temporary) lasted way too long. It's sceduled to be replaced with this one in near future

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

Try that one and it won't let you make that mistake easily, as it will create the pass phrase for you.

Thank you for the non-insulting comment. Patience & tolerance seem to be lacking in this thread.

I think it's fair to say that if this client that I downloaded yesterday and ran on the most common os in mass use can screw up that badly at protecting me from myself then this coin is not for me and I will not bet on it's future adoption. Had this occurred late last year when this thing was new I could've excused this, but after months if this thing is still to dumb to protect people that re-use another's password then I have no hope for it.

That's a bit rich, you just ignore my questions when I keep trying to help you.

You don't seem to get it. I understand what happened now. I just think this thing is a dead end if it's not any smarter than that.

So to summarise what you have said,
You created an account with a 6 word password and then verified the account it created (presumably by recording the account number).
You then stupidly (by your own admission) logged into the ‘null’ password account (you just pressed return at the enter passphrase screen).
You didn’t check the account number of the null password against the one you just created and transferred your NXT to the null account and then the bots stole them.

All accounts are accessible to all people in any location, provided you know the password. This is a brainwallet. Therefore, if you use an account with a weak password intentionally or not (i.e. one that has no password), your coins get stolen.

What don’t I get?
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April 05, 2014, 04:01:39 PM
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I will give @solarion the *benefit of the doubt* rather than just "shooting him down in flames".

Nobody shot anybody down in flames...  the situation has been explained plenty...  and he/she/it is STILL logged into the other account!?!?!    Angry

...playing ALL stupid too...

Do you really think everyone sees nxt on coinmarket site reads all the posts and wikis and everything? He downloaded the NRS first time, hit entered, and got into "null" account. This is how bitcoin clones work. I am sure he won't be the last one to make to make the same mistake. Look how many transactions the "null" account has

http://blocks.nxtcrypto.org/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=3791936988034107349



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April 05, 2014, 04:02:58 PM
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happy to be on it if you're so blind that you cannot see the problem with this.

Don't get emotionally involved with your coin choice.

I actually agree with you. The built-in client can be confusing for people used to bitcoin and the it's clones. People don't read the dialog box at the login. You probably just hit entered without entering any passphrase. That client (which was supposed to be temporary) lasted way too long. It's sceduled to be replaced with this one in near future

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

Try that one and it won't let you make that mistake easily, as it will create the pass phrase for you.

Thank you for the non-insulting comment. Patience & tolerance seem to be lacking in this thread.

I think it's fair to say that if this client that I downloaded yesterday and ran on the most common os in mass use can screw up that badly at protecting me from myself then this coin is not for me and I will not bet on it's future adoption. Had this occurred late last year when this thing was new I could've excused this, but after months if this thing is still to dumb to protect people that re-use another's password then I have no hope for it.

That's a bit rich, you just ignore my questions when I keep trying to help you.

You don't seem to get it. I understand what happened now. I just think this thing is a dead end if it's not any smarter than that.

So to summarise what you have said,
You created an account with a 6 word password and then verified the account it created (presumably by recording the account number).
You then stupidly (by your own admission) logged into the ‘null’ password account (you just pressed return at the enter passphrase screen).
You didn’t check the account number of the null password against the one you just created and transferred your NXT to the null account and then the bots stole them.

All accounts are accessible to all people in any location, provided you know the password. This is a brainwallet. Therefore, if you use an account with a weak password intentionally or not (i.e. one that has no password), your coins get stolen.

What don’t I get?

The GFY part. You missed it totally.
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April 05, 2014, 04:03:29 PM
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I get that. Think I'd rather stick to coins with wallet.dat files and move coins to online wallets as necessary.

then you didnt choose the right client!
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,4525.0.html
offspring client supports wallet.dat for your passphrase.

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April 05, 2014, 04:03:51 PM
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I will give @solarion the *benefit of the doubt* rather than just "shooting him down in flames".

Nobody shot anybody down in flames...  the situation has been explained plenty...  and he/she/it is STILL logged into the other account!?!?!    Angry

...playing ALL stupid too...

Do you really think everyone sees nxt on coinmarket site reads all the posts and wikis and everything? He downloaded the NRS first time, hit entered, and got into "null" account. This is how bitcoin clones work. I am sure he won't be the last one to make to make the same mistake. Look how many transactions the "null" account has

http://blocks.nxtcrypto.org/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=3791936988034107349

Precisely. Who ends up with those?
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April 05, 2014, 04:04:15 PM
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happy to be on it if you're so blind that you cannot see the problem with this.

Don't get emotionally involved with your coin choice.

I actually agree with you. The built-in client can be confusing for people used to bitcoin and the it's clones. People don't read the dialog box at the login. You probably just hit entered without entering any passphrase. That client (which was supposed to be temporary) lasted way too long. It's sceduled to be replaced with this one in near future

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

Try that one and it won't let you make that mistake easily, as it will create the pass phrase for you.

Thank you for the non-insulting comment. Patience & tolerance seem to be lacking in this thread.

I think it's fair to say that if this client that I downloaded yesterday and ran on the most common os in mass use can screw up that badly at protecting me from myself then this coin is not for me and I will not bet on it's future adoption. Had this occurred late last year when this thing was new I could've excused this, but after months if this thing is still to dumb to protect people that re-use another's password then I have no hope for it.

That's a bit rich, you just ignore my questions when I keep trying to help you.

You don't seem to get it. I understand what happened now. I just think this thing is a dead end if it's not any smarter than that.

So to summarise what you have said,
You created an account with a 6 word password and then verified the account it created (presumably by recording the account number).
You then stupidly (by your own admission) logged into the ‘null’ password account (you just pressed return at the enter passphrase screen).
You didn’t check the account number of the null password against the one you just created and transferred your NXT to the null account and then the bots stole them.

All accounts are accessible to all people in any location, provided you know the password. This is a brainwallet. Therefore, if you use an account with a weak password intentionally or not (i.e. one that has no password), your coins get stolen.

What don’t I get?

The GFY part. You missed it totally.

GFY?
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April 05, 2014, 04:04:25 PM
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I get that. Think I'd rather stick to coins with wallet.dat files and move coins to online wallets as necessary.

then you didnt choose the right client!
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,4525.0.html
offspring client supports wallet.dat for your passphrase.

I USED THE DIRECTIONS FROM PAGE ONE OF THIS THREAD.
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happy to be on it if you're so blind that you cannot see the problem with this.

Don't get emotionally involved with your coin choice.

I actually agree with you. The built-in client can be confusing for people used to bitcoin and the it's clones. People don't read the dialog box at the login. You probably just hit entered without entering any passphrase. That client (which was supposed to be temporary) lasted way too long. It's sceduled to be replaced with this one in near future

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

Try that one and it won't let you make that mistake easily, as it will create the pass phrase for you.

Thank you for the non-insulting comment. Patience & tolerance seem to be lacking in this thread.

I think it's fair to say that if this client that I downloaded yesterday and ran on the most common os in mass use can screw up that badly at protecting me from myself then this coin is not for me and I will not bet on it's future adoption. Had this occurred late last year when this thing was new I could've excused this, but after months if this thing is still to dumb to protect people that re-use another's password then I have no hope for it.

The point of Nxt is to be able to access your Nxt from any computer at any location, so we can't have safeguards warning of duplicated password logins.  The best thing to do is memorize the last 5-6 digits of your account #, so that you know something is wrong if you enter the wrong passcode.

I get that. Think I'd rather stick to coins with wallet.dat files and move coins to online wallets as necessary.
Wie do have such a client. Just Google offspring nxt client.

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April 05, 2014, 04:05:35 PM
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I get that. Think I'd rather stick to coins with wallet.dat files and move coins to online wallets as necessary.

then you didnt choose the right client!
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,4525.0.html
offspring client supports wallet.dat for your passphrase.

I USED THE DIRECTIONS FROM PAGE ONE OF THIS THREAD.

"Make sure you use a very random, complex password of at least 80 characters.  You can use 0-1, a-z, A-Z, special and national characters."
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April 05, 2014, 04:06:07 PM
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happy to be on it if you're so blind that you cannot see the problem with this.

Don't get emotionally involved with your coin choice.

I actually agree with you. The built-in client can be confusing for people used to bitcoin and the it's clones. People don't read the dialog box at the login. You probably just hit entered without entering any passphrase. That client (which was supposed to be temporary) lasted way too long. It's sceduled to be replaced with this one in near future

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

Try that one and it won't let you make that mistake easily, as it will create the pass phrase for you.

Thank you for the non-insulting comment. Patience & tolerance seem to be lacking in this thread.

I think it's fair to say that if this client that I downloaded yesterday and ran on the most common os in mass use can screw up that badly at protecting me from myself then this coin is not for me and I will not bet on it's future adoption. Had this occurred late last year when this thing was new I could've excused this, but after months if this thing is still to dumb to protect people that re-use another's password then I have no hope for it.

The point of Nxt is to be able to access your Nxt from any computer at any location, so we can't have safeguards warning of duplicated password logins.  The best thing to do is memorize the last 5-6 digits of your account #, so that you know something is wrong if you enter the wrong passcode.

I get that. Think I'd rather stick to coins with wallet.dat files and move coins to online wallets as necessary.

This isn't "online" and "offline"  issue.

Bitcoin creates your private keys randomly and saves it in wallet.dat file. That isn't "offline" if your computer is connected to the internet. Offline would be if you have paper wallet that doesn't exist on any computer connected to the internet.

In nxt, the private key is Hash of the passphrase. That happens on your computer. It is not sent to any third party "online" site.




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The fact that there is no warning about the null account is a mistake.

But the biggest mistake here that you didn't check where you're sending the nxt! Your own fault.
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