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April 01, 2014, 07:04:52 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553205.0
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April 01, 2014, 07:06:35 PM
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Would you like to have your coin listed on www.crycurex.com ?

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April 01, 2014, 07:12:53 PM
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as i was telling before my team and i have just found an enormous flaw that could end nxt.

please do not ask how it work as we have decided not to disclose it.

Gl to all of you this was the last post of emule in the nxt forum.



What is going on today? Emule is leaving. Evil-Knievel is buying NXT for 75 BTC.
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April 01, 2014, 07:13:02 PM
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guys this  Shocked



cfb is this ready for deployment?

Not ready. JL has not reviewed it yet. And then we must test it.
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April 01, 2014, 07:16:34 PM
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I just realized that Nxt is actually CRAP. I will be selling as much as I can today.

sell all while you can!

correct it for you
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April 01, 2014, 07:31:24 PM
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I just realized that Nxt is actually CRAP. I will be selling as much as I can today.

sell all while you can!

correct it for you

Oh, guess it wasn't his last post.
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April 01, 2014, 07:36:00 PM
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600K sell but green candle, satisfied cfb?

2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006004   29754.000   1.78643
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006060   17400.348   1.05446
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006160   118389.000   7.29276
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006201   5075.243   0.31472
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006000   5345.000   0.32070
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006006   5000.000   0.30030
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006108   1146.980   0.07006
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006166   5113.393   0.31529
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006003   32736.000   1.96514
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006008   3473.701   0.20870
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006120   20.000   0.00122
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006200   1000.000   0.06200
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006000   148773.333   8.92640
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006006   35678.000   2.14282
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006101   3005.000   0.18334
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006164   6327.000   0.39000
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006002   26784.000   1.60758
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006007   1536.000   0.09227
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006112   2284.921   0.13965
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006170   2922.204   0.18030
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006000   700.000   0.04200
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006005   30000.000   1.80150
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006078   809.476   0.04920
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006161   59782.494   3.68320
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006001   30543.000   1.83289
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006007   38456.000   2.31005
2014-04-02 03:29:20   Sell   0.00006110   22.000   0.00134
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April 01, 2014, 07:46:15 PM
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"this was the last post of emule in the nxt forum" good, but there were 2 new posts after. This is like pinarello wrote I am in his ignore list and 5 minutes later he was quoting me
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April 01, 2014, 08:01:50 PM
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From blockexplorer:

Balance Total   :   36,032 NXT    USD Equivalent [1]   :   8516523520.00    BTC Equivalent   :   18016000.0000
Transfer Total   :   44    Transfer In   :   37    Transfer Out   :   7
Paid Fees Total   :   17    Amounts In   :   66,413    Amounts Out   :   30,398
Aliases      0    First Transfer   :   24.12.2013    Last Transfer   :   31.03.2014

Bye bye guys, going to buy some country Smiley
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April 01, 2014, 08:04:53 PM
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still april first? nexern, this one was too obvious  Roll Eyes
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April 01, 2014, 08:09:51 PM
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600K sell but green candle, satisfied cfb?

U r David Copperfield! It's miracle!
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April 01, 2014, 08:28:37 PM
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600K sell but green candle, satisfied cfb?

U r David Copperfield! It's miracle!

Reverse Copperfield is more accurate.

Copperfield: pretends to stay here but disappears

Emule: pretends to disappear but stays here
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April 01, 2014, 08:42:59 PM
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pls send me some nice message to the testnet acc: 9500913153933294022

- for the video
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April 01, 2014, 08:44:58 PM
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Reverse Copperfield is more accurate.

Copperfield: pretends to stay here but disappears

Emule: pretends to disappear but stays here

Actually he was joking. April 1st.
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April 01, 2014, 08:49:06 PM
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Reverse Copperfield is more accurate.

Copperfield: pretends to stay here but disappears

Emule: pretends to disappear but stays here

Actually he was joking. April 1st.

Dammit, that is like the seventh time - glad that this day is over  Grin
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April 01, 2014, 09:03:17 PM
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Reverse Copperfield is more accurate.

Copperfield: pretends to stay here but disappears

Emule: pretends to disappear but stays here

Actually he was joking. April 1st.

I thought the joke was that he had a team.

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April 01, 2014, 09:13:12 PM
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wtf he still uses floating point?  Shocked Shocked Shocked

Indeed he has *bragged about it*.


wtf.... the techdev committee should just come out and say that nobody gets any unclaimed coins bounty from code uzilizing any kind of float data type.

I mean, I appreciate james' dedication and his skill in all the work hes doing, allbeit on no-quite-so trustless-systems work, as most likely they will be replaced by fully decentralized and trustless systems, but we just do NOT need any floating points running around
Currently, I use floating in exactly one place. For calculating allocation of nodecoins. My usage has been approved by CfB. mthcl agreed with my math analysis. Others agreed that for my use case, there is nothing wrong with using floating point.

I make engineering decision based on tradeoffs of accuracy, implementation time, code stability. My assessment was to use 64 bit floating point for allocation. This is because floating point is just as accurate, if not more, when approximating fractions.

The reason integer math is more accurate for financial applications is because there is a least common denominator (satoshi, cent) and so all calculations can be done without errors. As long as you dont overflow.

With pool allocations, you end up with fractions without any reasonable least common denominator. That means you get errors representing it with 64 bit ints or 64 bit floats. However, floats are designed to dynamically adapt to the scale of the numbers while with integers you need a fixed multiplier. The fixed multiplier needs to deal with worst case while at the same time avoiding overflow.

So, using integers for this use case would not be any more accurate and instead open to overflow, or if to avoid overflow you get higher error rates.

The other reason that integer math is preferred in crypto is that all computers end up with the same result. This is important in synchronizing blockchain. however, my code is running on controlled servers and there is no need for synchronizing.

This "never use floating point" requirement seems to be dictating usage of inferior solutions in some use cases. I prefer to think about what I am doing and choose the appropriate solution.

If you have any math based feedback, I am eager to hear it. Superstitous, ban all floating point, is not really constructive.

James

P.S. I could get better accuracy if I used 128 bit floats and near perfect accuracy using 128 bits ints, but I do not trust the code libraries for doing 128 bit math as much as floating point silicon in Intel processors. In any case, do people really need their nodecoins allocated more accurately than .0000000000001 nodecoins?

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April 01, 2014, 09:16:35 PM
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Currently, I use floating in exactly one place. For calculating allocation of nodecoins...



Ill just hope that CIYAM didnt know this fact before getting us all riled up
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April 01, 2014, 09:18:21 PM
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IMO the smart money trades off exchange, preferably using the bitcoin-otc web of trust. Using this forum's trust database is a distant second, considering how many people stay logged in all the time, and how many times bitcointalk itself has been hacked.

The exchanges are better suited for weekend warriors that fancy themselves day traders or small retail purchases.

Mt Gox is only the latest in a long line of cryptoexchanges that have lost significant amount of user funds.

Until the crypto economy is bigger, we probably won't see an exchange that does security and oversight correctly because the space just isn't big enough to afford a reliable service. The exchanges just can't come up with the capital needed to do it properly.

Instead we still have a bunch of pikers that take advantage of the low barrier to entry. They open an exchange and only realize they are in over their heads after their users' funds are stolen.

But who knows, when the floating point decentralized asset exchanges start cropping up, maybe centralized exchanges will be rendered obsolete. Decentralized exchange may be here before a well-funded and well-run centralized exchange emerges.
multigateway has no floating point

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April 01, 2014, 09:22:56 PM
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IMO the smart money trades off exchange, preferably using the bitcoin-otc web of trust. Using this forum's trust database is a distant second, considering how many people stay logged in all the time, and how many times bitcointalk itself has been hacked.

The exchanges are better suited for weekend warriors that fancy themselves day traders or small retail purchases.

Mt Gox is only the latest in a long line of cryptoexchanges that have lost significant amount of user funds.

Until the crypto economy is bigger, we probably won't see an exchange that does security and oversight correctly because the space just isn't big enough to afford a reliable service. The exchanges just can't come up with the capital needed to do it properly.

Instead we still have a bunch of pikers that take advantage of the low barrier to entry. They open an exchange and only realize they are in over their heads after their users' funds are stolen.

But who knows, when the floating point decentralized asset exchanges start cropping up, maybe centralized exchanges will be rendered obsolete. Decentralized exchange may be here before a well-funded and well-run centralized exchange emerges.
multigateway has no floating point

So can someone help James with a review of the C code for multigateway?
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