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so mr. Msin, regarding of the "cryptographical PROOF", where are we?
a) msin: "I did my bests but I still cannot find the right guy. Please help me."
b) msin: "Yeah, I am in contact with a few right guys and soon we will have our candidate. Don't worry, now I go to bed."
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bitcoinpaul
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March 05, 2014, 10:20:20 AM |
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Aye. BCNext is the nickname of my cat.  Now everything makes sense.  |
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Damelon
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March 05, 2014, 10:27:30 AM |
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Hi people, Just want to bring this up, again. How do we stand on the white paper and the audit? How can we get it done? Can I help? (or anyone from marketing?) Who do we need to contact and who can take point? We've all the things we need it seems, and the things we don't we can work on, am I correct? Can we organise getting this sorted? Guys,
I just talked to someone who went to the Tal Aviv Bitcoin Conference and talked to a few MAJOR cryptography professors.
These people basically waved him away, and don't take Nxt seriously because it hasn't got a white paper and no cryptographical PROOF of it's safety and protocols.
This is still a gap in our documentation that we have.
Normally I'd put this in the main thread, but I want to bring it up here, because this is álso marketing.
The simple question is: do we have any idea of how the audit is going, and if not, can we get it?
This falls, for me, under the heading of "product testing".
If we can get the stamp of approval from academics, this is a major boost. If we can be waved away because, realistically, we have an untested product (actual use doesn't count, it needs to be rigorous mathematical proof) which can be poo-pood at will.
Can I have your thoughts on this?
Edit: nice write up, Uniqueorn!
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March 05, 2014, 10:55:44 AM |
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Oh noooooo  could ye beat nine days? :/ I don't know (not a developer/tester). I'm waiting for a surprise announcement. |
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March 05, 2014, 10:57:07 AM |
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The Nxt iPhone app iNxtYou might know that rriky92 is working on an app for iPhone. There is currently version 1.0.7 available in iTunes. Please see the setails on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/inxt/id802351888?mt=8 Riky is a young guy (in his early 20s I think), still going to the university which means that he might have more time than money.  He is a talented programmer so he is developing apps for iOS. Unfortunately, he has to focus on apps, that he can sell for money. 1, Can we set up a bounty for him? We could make a feature list what we want to see in the app and offer a bounty for each feature that gets implemented. 2, We would need a graphic designer to support him creating an awesome app. Anyone available for this? What do you think? I would also like to ask you to donate him some Nxt for his work so far, so we can keep him motivated: 4894174904569783391FYI: I am trying to help him because I think we need an app for iOS. I will not receive anything for this, all the funds go to Riky (as the Nxt address above belongs to him). |
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March 05, 2014, 11:06:00 AM |
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Hi people, Just want to bring this up, again. How do we stand on the white paper and the audit? How can we get it done? Can I help? (or anyone from marketing?) Who do we need to contact and who can take point? We've all the things we need it seems, and the things we don't we can work on, am I correct? Can we organise getting this sorted? Guys,
I just talked to someone who went to the Tal Aviv Bitcoin Conference and talked to a few MAJOR cryptography professors.
These people basically waved him away, and don't take Nxt seriously because it hasn't got a white paper and no cryptographical PROOF of it's safety and protocols.
This is still a gap in our documentation that we have.
Normally I'd put this in the main thread, but I want to bring it up here, because this is álso marketing.
The simple question is: do we have any idea of how the audit is going, and if not, can we get it?
This falls, for me, under the heading of "product testing".
If we can get the stamp of approval from academics, this is a major boost. If we can be waved away because, realistically, we have an untested product (actual use doesn't count, it needs to be rigorous mathematical proof) which can be poo-pood at will.
Can I have your thoughts on this?
Edit: nice write up, Uniqueorn!
Can you take responsibility for the whitepaper (and it´s development)? Or do we have someone who is responsible for it? How do we stand now? |
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Emule
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March 05, 2014, 11:06:42 AM |
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and what if apple says tomorrow no more crypto apps. |
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bitcoinpaul
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March 05, 2014, 11:08:09 AM |
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Can you take responsibility for the whitepaper (and it´s development)? Or do we have someone who is responsible for it? How do we stand now?
Nobody is responsible right now. Editable Whitepaper is on our Wiki. No one is responsible = bad. |
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mcjavar
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March 05, 2014, 11:08:24 AM |
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and what if apple says tomorrow no more crypto apps. Bad luck. What if the US says tomorrow that crypto is illegal? |
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salsacz
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March 05, 2014, 11:11:22 AM |
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whitepaper is only in the stage when we ask other to help to finish it: info: Can we get a talk page created for the whitepaper please? It says I don't have permission to create the discussion page. Would be helpful to talk about what to include and what not to. Thanks!
Talk page for http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Whitepaper:Nxt has been created. I'm sorry for the "locked-down" nature of the wiki. It's not meant to be a barrier to entry, but I ran into problems last week because most of the tools I want to use to combat wiki-spam are NOT compatible with the tools that allow nifty in-place translations. The only way around it was to set up gentle moderation. I promise that anyone who asks for edit access will have it. Create an account and then send me a note via http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Special:Contact and I'll add you to the correct user group. Finally: I want to extend a warm thanks to folks who are sending in tips for the setup and operation of the wiki. It's deeply appreciated, and I'm very glad to help. The Nxt community is really terrific. |
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swartzfeger
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March 05, 2014, 11:18:28 AM |
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Damn it, I wanted to go to bed! But I had to download. Quick thoughts: It works! Incredible feature set, more so than Wesleyh's client, but less fluid/responsive/natural than wesleyh's as well. Choices are great to have and this looks like a great client for Mac users that want an all-in-one app. For my tastes, wesley's streamlined approach fits my style better. Well done. Solaris is light years beyond all the QT cookie cutter apps out there. How NXT is still lingering at .00008 with community efforts like Solaris is beyond me. |
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Fatih87SK
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March 05, 2014, 11:29:28 AM |
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Damn it, I wanted to go to bed! But I had to download. Quick thoughts: It works! Incredible feature set, more so than Wesleyh's client, but less fluid/responsive/natural than wesleyh's as well. Choices are great to have and this looks like a great client for Mac users that want an all-in-one app. For my tastes, wesley's streamlined approach fits my style better. Well done. Solaris is light years beyond all the QT cookie cutter apps out there. How NXT is still lingering at .00008 with community efforts like Solaris is beyond me. I have 5 friends that invested in NXT. After 4 months they still don't know how to get a working client / opening an account. They only see the software of JL where you have to create a .bat file which is hard for them. They ask me all the time when a descent client is coming out what is safe and where they can create an account and forge etc. I don't tell them, because I think they have to find them by themselves. They are still waiting so I think we are doing something wrong here. |
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March 05, 2014, 11:29:34 AM |
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Damn it, I wanted to go to bed! But I had to download. Quick thoughts: It works! Incredible feature set, more so than Wesleyh's client, but less fluid/responsive/natural than wesleyh's as well. Choices are great to have and this looks like a great client for Mac users that want an all-in-one app. For my tastes, wesley's streamlined approach fits my style better. Well done. Solaris is light years beyond all the QT cookie cutter apps out there. How NXT is still lingering at .00008 with community efforts like Solaris is beyond me. SOme just going to sleep, some others waking up. DONT FORGET TO VOTE! https://www.electionbuddy.com/elections/12343/results/t34ayqhm2 |
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Damelon
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March 05, 2014, 11:30:56 AM |
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Can you take responsibility for the whitepaper (and it´s development)? Or do we have someone who is responsible for it? How do we stand now?
Nobody is responsible right now. Editable Whitepaper is on our Wiki. No one is responsible = bad. Let me just ask some questions to get a clear picture, because i can't accurately pin down what is needed: 1) Who in the community has the knowledge and expertise to write in the white paper, or work out things that have been put in? Feel free to just name people.  1a) Do these people actually have time and are they willing to do the work? 1b) What do they need? Are there things missing that they definitely need to get started/continue? 2) Who knows of people who can do the audit and what exactly is needed for this audit? People who have already been contacted and said "no" don't count. 2a) If we don't know them, where can we look for them? 2b) I've seen names of "big" people in cryptography mentioned, but is this needed? If the proof is valid, does it matter if the "name" isn't big? This seems like an argument that only has marketing value, not mathematical value. 2c) If we can't get "big" names, is there anything to be said against taking a normal qualified person who can do the audit. These are some preliminary questions, just to get the situation clear. Once that is clear, maybe we can take further steps. If I missed anything out, please point it out to me. |
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March 05, 2014, 11:32:25 AM |
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Damn it, I wanted to go to bed! But I had to download. Quick thoughts: It works! Incredible feature set, more so than Wesleyh's client, but less fluid/responsive/natural than wesleyh's as well. Choices are great to have and this looks like a great client for Mac users that want an all-in-one app. For my tastes, wesley's streamlined approach fits my style better. Well done. Solaris is light years beyond all the QT cookie cutter apps out there. How NXT is still lingering at .00008 with community efforts like Solaris is beyond me. Thanks! Will look at the performance and responsiveness once I get a line profiler up and running. |
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March 05, 2014, 11:37:05 AM |
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@AE devs / CfB
I might have stumbled over an AE bug regarding cancellation of BID orders! Can anyone of you guys please try to reproduce this? I don't think that it is an issue of processing time, because I have waited for quite some time, and also if the order would be '- Unknown order', it should not be returned by getBidOrder! When I do try to cancel a BID order, I get an error, although the Bid order exists due to NRS: http://localhost:6876/nxt?fee=1&secretPhrase=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&order=18116073350319174941&deadline=20&requestType=cancelBidOrdererrorCode - 5 errorDescription - Unknown order BUT: the order exists! http://localhost:6876/nxt?order=18116073350319174941&requestType=getBidOrderprice - 11300 account - 11964475374330713474 quantity - 2 asset - 16739598998421896224 ################## When I cancel an ask order, there is no problem: ASK ok http://localhost:6876/nxt?order=3756509216919668143&requestType=getAskOrderprice - 530000 account - 1738404304940813414 quantity - 133 asset - 16739598998421896224 http://localhost:6876/nxt?fee=1&secretPhrase=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=3756509216919668143&deadline=12&requestType=cancelAskOrdertransaction - 13961246592743727576 EDIT: I'LL try to make a new bid oreder, maybe this is related to the mutliple restarts of the testnet?? EDIT2: With a fresh Order, it worked - needs more testing! -
BTW: FreeRider will be released in the following days!
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March 05, 2014, 11:40:34 AM |
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Damn it, I wanted to go to bed! But I had to download. Quick thoughts: It works! Incredible feature set, more so than Wesleyh's client, but less fluid/responsive/natural than wesleyh's as well. Choices are great to have and this looks like a great client for Mac users that want an all-in-one app. For my tastes, wesley's streamlined approach fits my style better. Well done. Solaris is light years beyond all the QT cookie cutter apps out there. How NXT is still lingering at .00008 with community efforts like Solaris is beyond me. Thanks! Will look at the performance and responsiveness once I get a line profiler up and running. Hey Marcus, that really does look slick. so many options. and seems to work well on OSX but didnt really stress test it. any suggestions on where to push it? |
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