Economic Devastation

[username18333]

Possession exists only insofar as agreement about what is possessed exists. Without such agreement, possession is a fiction and "steal[ing]" (TPTB_need_war) impossible.

When I steal all [one's] food, then see how much fiction that is for [it].

(Your argument seems fallacious.)

If it should not believe that food it's own, you should not have stolen the food from it. (To you, perhaps, but not from it.)

[TPTB_need_war]

ok so how would your state work then if you had no welfare system how would all your people work and gain a wage so they can live happy..
don.t forget you say you cannot give welfare benefits to your people so what happens when i loose my job how do i pay the bills.... my house and food..
so who gives me this money to help me if no TAXES
plus you keep saying property what if i don.t own any property can i still live in your state..
so if you say yes well who gives me this house do i go knock on peoples doors begging because you have no government so who do i see
 micronation what would your laws be who do i see if i have a problem

For one thing, we wouldn't interfere with your ability to grow your own food, which our modern nanny-state governments highly regulate and restrict making it too costly to do.

So there you (your wife probably while you are doing analytical work such as reengineering the barn) are growing your own food, making sex with your wife, producing offspring. You'd have to have enough capital to begin with to purchase land otherwise you wouldn't be joining our project. Thus you'd already demonstrated the ability to be responsible and produce. And assume you would thus be responsible and educate your offspring so they can produce also. Your wife might even be a home schooling mother perhaps in conjunction with other families in the neighborhood. This is what women really want to do and what really makes them happy.

I bet we'd also be donating non-compulsory educational programs as well, to encourage a literate society that can be self-reliant via production.

As for those in the world now who are stuck, we'd probably be using our great wealth to reach out and offer education and work opportunities abroad. Trade is an important aspect of commerce and productivity.

This great lie of "democracy" and "socialism" has been foisted upon the world. The main problem humans faced was protection from attacking armies and also technological and organizational (high fixed capital) problems with production (e.g. roads, problems with pandemics, etc).

We have a lot more technology now, and the question is are we going to let the 0.001% enslave us with it, or are we going to empower humanity to use it?

I think one of the key distinctions is that these days even Khan Academy (one guy making educational videos) can change the world. The information age reduces the fixed capital requirements required to help people improve.

That is not to say it would be perfect, but it would be better than the abysmal trajectory the world is headed now...

What is the point of this life if you can't help and see other humans happy? Some sociopaths want all the power, but really that is a very lonely and unnatural goal. It exists only because we empower those sociopaths with our inane foolishness to think that "democracy" and "socialism" are in our best interests.

[username18333]

For one thing, we wouldn't interfere with your ability to grow your own food, which our modern nanny-state governments highly regulate and restrict making it too costly to do.

Would Big-Agriculture do so? (I.e., there are reasons wherefor the American "Gilded Age" was not termed a "Golden Age," like that of Socrates' Athens. [Namely, that politic which terminated Socrates and, with him, Athens' Golden Age.])

[TPTB_need_war]

Would Big-Agriculture do so?

Probably attempt to hire an army and attack. And so we would continue to produce 1000X more than they do in our anonymous Knowledge Age and bankrupt them into their hell.

This is why your concepts of anti-money don't allow us to express our higher productivity.

[TPTB_need_war]

this is what you say..  so what if i got all my money of mummy and daddy and all i ever done was party
how do i grow a carrot
and i never learned at school because i am stinking rich and i want a slave to do it i throw him a few shillings to clean my pool and grow my veg is this ok in your state

The key is to destroy usury which I assert the Knowledge Age does (c.f the OP of the Economic Devastation thread). So this unproductive brat will end up destitute soon enough and his wealth will have been transferred to those who are productive.

Eliminating the high fixed capital component of production is the main reason we can now jettison democracy and socialism. The technology has changed what society can be.

if your trying to make humans lives happy well how will you make mine happy if i got no money to buy land in your eyes i am worthless
so does that not make you the same as most governments your already telling me if i got no money to buzz off

By reaching out to you abroad with educational opportunities to better yourself and earn enough to join in. Donations if you really need it, to help you bridge the gap. But if you are determined to just be a leech on society's best faith attempts to help you, then yes you will be ignored and perish as it should be for any pest or parasite.

[username18333]

By reaching out to you abroad with educational opportunities to better yourself and earn enough to join in. Donations if you really need it, to help you bridge the gap. But if you are determined to just be a leech on society's best faith attempts to help you, then yes you will be ignored and perish as it should be for any pest or parasite.

Unto what end (in both cases)? (Note: this is a largely existential query.)

[TPTB_need_war]

username18333, please do not falsely accuse me of supporting the plutocracy nor of not undertaking actions to realistically remove their power from our lives. The power is granted to TPTB because the people rely on industrial goods and physical protection from those who have access to those industrial goods which can kill. Up until the recent invention of the 3D printer, industrial goods required large fixed capital investments in factories, which thus required large capitalists and large capitalists required protection for their factories against those who had the power to make war. And since aggregation of capital was natural in this system, the oversupply of laborers were at a disadvantage in terms of demand the lion's share of the factories profits and as competition has driven profits down, more and more of the profits necessarily had to go to the capitalist funding the fixed capital investment to produce industrial goods. The people responded by banding together with unions and government to expropriate profits from the capitalists and the capitalists then banded together to capture the control of the governments and unions from behind the curtain. Thus handing the power to make war to the composition of government with capitalists controllers. As the capitalists were able to aggregate much wealth this way, they could not invest in more factories without causing an oversupply, so in order to get a ROI they have to loan their capital but they needed a public back stop so they could loan to any one with a heart beat and be guaranteed to be paid back. Also this situation lead to too much power in the hands of these bankster capitalist TPTB (plutocracy), thus formed new corruptions such as the investment banks Goldman Sachs which do what ever in the fuck they please running amok pleasing Satan greatly.

So then I wrote those 3 seminal essays that CoinCube linked to from the opening post of the Economic Devastation thread, wherein I explained about technology was changing the basis of finance which has the potential to destroy the basis of that morass of the Industrial Age. It was in one of those essays about the fundamental qualities of entropy that I predicted in 2010, the ultimate federalization of Europe was inescapable. And it is your lack of understanding of entropy which causes you to propose an entirely unrealistic (non-)solution of anti-money, which I will explain below. I am not going to get in a long noisy exchange with you and your bizarre noisy way of quoting by butchering content with colorization and inserting people's usernames into text in parenthesis and generally writing in a way that no one can hardly comprehend your sentences. I will explain what is and leave it for the readers to decide if I am correct.

As we move into the Knowledge Age, the relevant capital is the ability to create knowledge and no longer monetary savings because I can go start creating knowledge in my nipa hut or home office and all I need is my brain and a cheap computer. Heck one can build in the USA from newegg.com (which accepts BTC) a very powerful development computer (as powerful per core as an i7) with a dual-core Pentium with a large flat screen monitor for < $400. Even a rudimentary Rasberry Pi 2 costs $75 complete without monitor.

Thus since knowledge is owned and created by the individual (due to the Mythical Man Month not even collaboration competes with individual creation of knowledge), it can not be financed with usury. I explained the reasons in detail in my aforementioned essay. Go read it, if you want to understand.

Thus the greatest ROI will go to the creators of knowledge themselves, there is no way that the usurists will be able to grow their capital fast enough to keep up. Thus the usurists will try as they are to enforce totalitarianism to try to expropriate capital. But all they can do with this is destroy knowledge capital by destroying the knowledge creators. They can never, ever again get back their power from the Industrial Age. It's over for them. They should accept it. They have no choice.

So we knowledge creators mostly want to trade our knowledge. We want to leverage the knowledge creation of others and interopt so as to produce greater and greater knowledge making the world more and more prosperous. So how can we trade our knowledge? We could just share it for free (open source with no business model) but there are two issues to consider:

1. How do we produce/attain the industrial and physical goods we need? How do we attain land to live on? Obtain weapons to protect ourselves?

2. What is our way to incentivize knowledge creation that is worthy, and disincentivize knowledge creation that is wasteful or harmful (e.g. code with lots of bugs or poor quality)?

We must recognize that knowledge creations are not fungible. Thus how do we incentivize someone to work on a knowledge area that only a few people need? If we argue that reputation and a gift economy will be the substitute for money, then how do we concentrate reputation to incentivize the maximum division-of-labor so that experts will work on very narrow areas of knowledge that only a few people will care to even know about? The maximum division-of-labor is required by the irreversible progression of entropy towards maximum per the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

In short, we can not get rid of fungible money and still have an economy that is compatible with the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

So thus I realized that the only path forward was to create an anonymous money and network system so the Knowledge Age could flourish unfettered by the old world industrial capitalists who want to expropriate our economy because they can't compete with us any other way.

The Knowledge Age will not eliminate money entirely but it will have some major differences from the Industrial Age:

• Any autodidact can obtain capital simply by doing, no need to seek our vulture capitalists
• Knowledge capital will always be fleeting because those creating will outpace the wealth of those who are not.
• It becomes impossible to finance knowledge creation, thus the monetary capital has to be distributed by investment in those who actually own their knowledge. So the money will turn over very fast (much higher velocity of money) because no one wants to hold it for very long. You as a knowledge creator can't really leverage more knowledge than you can understand, thus utility of money diminishes rapidly the more you have. As industrial goods (and even the cloning of humans) moves towards zero margins, you can have as many physical things as you want nearly for free, so who needs to hoard money?

Thus you see the money I am creating is an anti-money of sorts, but it is done as a realistic transition from the current Industrial Age to the near zero-margin economy of the future.

Whereas the anti-money you are proposing can never get adopted because it is an abrupt assumption that we are already at the end game of a near zero-margin economy of the future.

I urge you to stop wasting your time and throw your support behind my or any other's efforts to create the anonymous money and network system we need. And please stop cluttering the threads with your redundant arguments that we all need to give up on society and becoming foraging nomads surviving on seeds, which effectively what a world without fungible money would be.

[TPTB_need_war]

Edit: what I am trying to accomplish is that we can get economies-of-scale on fungible money and knowledge internet on the internet (the large community) while adding decentralization (end-to-end principle) and anonymity, so that we have the economies-of-scale of large community while also enabling our local community to resist the subjugation of degrees-of-freedom by the power vacuum of the collective. I believe if we can achieve this, we will have a glorious Knowledge Age. Whether I am correct or not, it is this ideal that is pushing me to work so hard at age 50. Hope some people will join if I can get something tangible completed.

[OROBTC]

...

This just occurred to me, right after I had logged-out, but I thought I would toss this in here as an example of the Knowledge Age...

The company (guy, whatever) I have in my signature is about as good an example I can think of for a Knowledge Age effort!  

The site is very automated (very "knowledge-y"), at least one of his mixing options is via TOR, it is a future-oriented service...

bitmixer.io could be (is?) perhaps a one-man effort, whether it is just one or a small group really makes no difference re as an example of a Knowledge Age enterprise.

I'd be interested in comments on whether bitmixer is a good example of a Knowledge Age effort, let's leave aside any comments on mixing effectiveness or similar (eg, whether TOR is really anonymous).

[username18333]

Edit: what I am trying to accomplish is that we can get economies-of-scale on fungible money and knowledge internet on the internet (the large community) while adding decentralization (end-to-end principle) and anonymity, so that we have the economies-of-scale of large community while also enabling our local community to resist the subjugation of degrees-of-freedom by the power vacuum of the collective. I believe if we can achieve this, we will have a glorious Knowledge Age. Whether I am correct or not, it is this ideal that is pushing me to work so hard at age 50. Hope some people will join if I can get something tangible completed.

Unless your "internet" (TPTB_need_war) could down nuclear warheads (and every other element of a modern, national armament), your "communit[ies]" (TPTB_need_war) would remain subject to physical authority.

[TPTB_need_war]

Some people don't comprehend that economics determines whether nuclear war can be effective.

[RealBitcoin]

Ah man your language is so complicated why you talk like that?

Let me put it more concisely. You socialist pigs want a world that steals for you.

Yep, socialism is a collective of lazy thieves that like to steal from more productive others. While thieves take their own risk at stealing and being caught.

Socialists eliminate the risk of theft by using the government as their tool to get what they want.

More welfare? More subsidy? More Pensions? More child subsidy? More unemployment benefits? More free stuff?

No problem there is a taxman, that does all that job for you, and you dont have to worry of beight caught stealing.


It a very horrible upside-down world we live it, but that is where democracy leads. "The People" only want to steal from eachother.


I guess theft is a basic human instinct

[TPTB_need_war]

RealBitcoin, you attributed my statement about socialist pigs to username18333. I wrote that, not him.

I am bothered by second guessing myself about whether I am rational about the severity of the coming problems in the world.

For example the recent discussion between trollercoaster and myself, wherein it is about him pulling up roots from a very first-class lifestyle country (Australia) with contemplation of exchanging it for a lower lifestyle country and lower standard-of-living (although I will say I love the simple life, so a farm isn't necessarily lower standard-of-living from my perspective).

Will the world really get so totalitarian that it is necessary to make such radical changes to our lives?

One would tend to think that society will get pushed to a certain point and then society will change or demand adjustments because people all over the world don't want to live in some sort of totalitarian hell.

Yet we have examples from history where society went F.U.B.A.R.. For example WW1 and then later WW2 were essentially due to the European socialism that resulted trying to resist the technological unemployment of the Second Industrial Revolution (mass production and the end of cottage industry).

Sound familiar?

We are repeating the same. Europe is resisting the technological unemployment of the Second Computer Revolution (aka internet and Knowledge Age) by increasing socialism to sustain old engrained patterns (of the baby boomers).

Nature cleans out the old to make way for the new, and when the old refuses to adjust nature cleans it out with the necessary force.

Unfortunately boomers and socialists will not change. They'd rather die than give up their humanistic ideas. They firmly believe theirs was the righteous.

Ideological fanaticism is what drives horrific outcomes. We have that in spades at this juncture...

Edit: on the way up the debt mountain, everyone goes out of their way to relieve hardship and the brutal realities of nature. On the way down the debt cliff, it is a free fall into the brutality of nature. Communities which didn't eat the poison and remained self-reliant pull together. Communities that ate the poison spin apart into brutal chaos. Communities of tough love remain functional and compassionate. Communities of free love diverge into dysfunction and brutality.

You were asking why Europeans support socialism and feminism... It is because they are humanists; feminism can be thought of as the culmination of humanist thought...

Karl Marx's own definition of Humanism reads:
"Humanism is the denial of God, and the total affirmation of man... Humanism is really nothing else but Marxism"
--Karl Marx, ECONOMIC POLITIQUE ET PHILOSOPHIE, VOL. I, PAGES 38-40.

Anyway, I'm sure many other Europeans will explain the general zeitgeist here too.

Let's do a Steve Jobs and be brutally frank.

Apparently feminism = hedonism.

I've noticed how much Westerners are getting a thrill from teaching two women to eat each other's pussies.

I think Nordic Europeans support feminism because it enables them to justify fucking non-virgins and then the hedonistic dominoes from there.

It also frees the men from the obligation to raise children, if they can convince the women they are more powerful if they don't bear children.

I've noticed here in the Philippines, the females are vehemently anti-abortion and anti-birth control. It is very, very difficult to get them to take birth control pills and they are not that happy about using a condom. These are real women who want to have the real happiness of bearing children and raising a family. My own mother criticizes me when I don't force the women I am involved with to use birth control pills!

Europe has entered decadent Frankenstein mode and the USA is following close behind.

I am not trying to be a moral dogmatic oppressor here. I know any of us can be influenced as we are human, but the thing is that once a man prefers to get happiness more from hedonism than from family, then the culture is broken. The society will collapse into an abyss.

And this is precisely what is happening to Europe.

How does a mother who has become bisexual raise her daughter and son   (not my mother)

Sorry I am fairly open minded person and I've explored many things in life, but I can tell you there is a major difference between the gf I have now and some of the Western women. My gf values dogs, children, family. She could easily be a hedonistic queen given her D breasts and very attractive face (not to mention brown skin), but she is humble and wants the things that really make happiness.

Those Europeans who support feminism are insatiable. They want to steal and have everything. They don't want any natural limits on society. They want that man is superior to nature. Why should a woman be limited to sex with only a man or a human? She can fuck a pet monkey and that is more freedom. Why must she bear children. It is better we educate the women to fuck more people, sexes, and things and have more freedom! It isn't enough for her to undress and fondle herself on a webcam, instead the men want her to pee and insert objects into every orifice.

And that is why they've run their debt sky high. And they can not change their system. They are addicted.

Regarding the Trump discussion (and resurgence in Republicans in general), I have concluded the winner will be...

...the military-industrial complex.

Right on time with MA's War Cycle, which expects war and pandemic to start going hot in 2017 and really accelerating into 2018.

We'll get the increased military spending. The reduced taxes won't matter because the world is going to be so fucked by the rising interest rates and War Cycle, that no one will be able to avail of the opportunities to start businesses in the tangible industrial age economy.

The Knowledge Age doesn't give a shit about the taxes any way, since they will be 0 for the anonymous internet coming.

A global smashup ahead. Trump card doesn't change anything and if anything this lurch back to the hard right politics accelerates it.

Now we see why the USA must break apart into regions as MA predicts. It is because the morass can not be changed from WA D.C. After 2017, the Americans will start to realize they have to take matters into their own hands.

The Feds will fight the militias. The country will break into parts. The world will be a much different place.

Crazy world we are heading into. Be prepared accordingly.

Edit: Rand Paul alludes to Trump being beholden to special interests. That Trump is loudly declaring that he isn't, is probably telling us that he is. Of course he knows he can't win without playing ball with powerful interests. He openly admits the realities of leverage. Trump is obviously willing to appease the NSA and military-complex in order to go after hard-nosed trade deals. He will appear to be a populist but is a wolf in sheepskin.

Trump represents a rise of fascist-capitalism in the USA. He is not talking about printing money the way the German socialists did, but instead it will be a hard lurch towards a brutal economic default coupled with military imperialism fully bankrupting Rome. As with Rome, the barbarians will later be at the gates of Rome and overrun it.

In fact, we need free trade and free markets. Rising protectionism is what lead to WW2. Trump is a very bad result for us.

[RealBitcoin]

RealBitcoin, you attributed my statement about socialist pigs to username18333. I wrote that, not him.

Oh ok, sorry about that, wanna respond to my post i made to you?

[CoinCube]

Yep, socialism is a collective of lazy thieves that like to steal from more productive others. While thieves take their own risk at stealing and being caught.

Socialists eliminate the risk of theft by using the government as their tool to get what they want.

More welfare? More subsidy? More Pensions? More child subsidy? More unemployment benefits? More free stuff?

No problem there is a taxman, that does all that job for you, and you dont have to worry of beight caught stealing.


It a very horrible upside-down world we live it, but that is where democracy leads. "The People" only want to steal from eachother.


I guess theft is a basic human instinct

In addition to the masses using socialism to steal from the productive. You also have the financial elite 0.01% stealing from everyone via debasement of the fiat currency and the use of 0% interest loans to capture desirable income producing assets.

It is natural for members of the lower classes to argue for redistribution when they (correctly) see that they are being stolen from by powerful economic players and a system that favors existing capital over labor.

The desire for more socialism and more redistribution is a natural backlash to a fraudulent economic system. We live in a system designed to redistribute wealth away the masses. The subsequent demand for more socialism and redistribution is a sad but predictable response.  

Theft is not a universal human instinct but revenge is. The masses are not entirely stupid. They realize they are getting screwed over by the status quo. They just do not understand how or why so they reach for socialism as a form of justice.

“We don't realize we are stealing from each other (and ourself) via failure of fitness when we pool and centralize our capital with debt, bonds, insurance, and centralized governance, then we are astonished that the system steals, express consternation, deny culpability, and thus reach for ‘solutions’ which are more of the same poison.”

Fiat based economics and fractional reserve facilitates a failure of fitness and enables centralization of capital at the expense of labor. This position of concentrated capital and economic power allows for the capture of government and regulatory bodies. This capture grants the ability to deter economic threats that would otherwise disperse and degrade sclerotic capital. The masses respond to their subsequent poverty by demanding more government aid and more redistribution which weakens potential opposition from the productive upper middle class and lower rungs of the wealthy. The net result is the destruction of political opposition and a strengthening of the tools available to cement oligarchic control.

The natural outcome appears to be significant suppression of economic growth, accelerating transition to oligarchic control, bankruptcy of the nation states, and forced political consolidation across national borders.

[RealBitcoin]

In addition to the masses using socialism to steal from the productive. You also have the financial elite 0.01% stealing from everyone via debasement of the fiat currency and the use of 0% interest loans to capture desirable income producing assets.

It is natural for members of the lower classes to argue for redistribution when they (correctly) see that they are being stolen from by powerful economic players and a system that favors existing capital over labor.

The desire for more socialism and more redistribution is a natural backlash to a fraudulent economic system. We live in a system designed to redistribute wealth away the masses. The subsequent demand for more socialism and redistribution is a sad but predictable response. 

Theft is not a universal human instinct but revenge is. The masses are not entirely stupid. They realize they are getting screwed over by the status quo. They just do not understand how or why so they reach for socialism as a form of justice.

It's more deeper than that, it's in the human DNA, when a caveman successfully hunted a mamooth, and his neighbor only hunted a boar, he felt anger and envy, so he decided to steal the pray from his fellow, because he felt entitled to it.

Theft is basically the manifestation of envy. And envy is one of the most destructive human characteristics there is.

Of course the poor people will envy rich, that would happen in any society, but instead of improving themselves and joining them, they alienate them, and feel hostility towards them, anger, and then they want to steal from them.

Of course the elite are not stupid people, to be a billionaire you just simply cannot have an IQ under 140, and the elite like to play divide & conquer.

Instead of them being the prey, they will just use the middle class as the forever pray to loot on from.


So the middle class will get looted by both angry poor people, and the rich people, using them as human shield to save their wealths.

Fiat based economics and fractional reserve facilitates a failure of fitness and enables centralization of capital at the expense of labor. This position of concentrated capital and economic power allows for the capture of government and regulatory bodies. This capture grants the ability to deter economic threats that would otherwise disperse and degrade sclerotic capital. The masses respond to their subsequent poverty by demanding more government aid and more redistribution which weakens potential opposition from the productive upper middle class and lower rungs of the wealthy. The net result is the destruction of political opposition and a strengthening of the tools available to cement oligarchic control.

The natural outcome appears to be significant suppression of economic growth, accelerating transition to oligarchic control, bankruptcy of the nation states, and forced political consolidation across national borders.

Keynesian economics, is the perfect economic theory for democracy. Democracy is a fundamentally flawed and rotten system, which is based on bribery of the masses/ or politicians, and on massive propaganda.

"The People" are selfish, and greedy, they all want free stuff now, and dont care about tomorrow's consequences!

You cannot give free stuff away, so this cleptocratic fiat printing press system needed to be introduced. Sure give them free stuff until the next election, and take it all away in 10-15 years when they wont remember it, with all their savings and assets aswell.

[TPTB_need_war]

Indeed a human is just an animal with a slightly higher level of reasoning. If you offer the animal unlimited free, addictive food (e.g. sugar or MSG laden), it eats and eats until it dies of obesity. Would you like to McUpSize that.

Mancur Olsen's The Logic of Collective Action explains this well.

In Europe the McUpSize has been on humanism rather than America's fatfood craze ("you are a liberated woman in control of your own body and that is why you can fuck anything you want to including but limited to you another woman's tongue and never bear offspring"). Europeans see themselves as more sophisticated socialist pigs.

The only way I can envision to squelch this phenomenon is to make it economically impossible to form top-down enforced collectives larger than a local community, i.e. remove the capability to form a power vacuum of control that must be filled by power (with corruption being naturally the most powerful mode). Local community reputation (within our Dunbar limit) naturally contain abusive excesses ("you are a fat lardass", "you are a disgusting dyke" says your neighbor). All my work on making anonymous decentralized crypto, is about making it impossible for a collective to exist per Max Weber's canonical definition, "State is a monopoly on the use of force".

I don't believe in anarchistic anything. To believe that such a system would work you have to believe that individuals are inherently good. I believe that in general individuals gravitate towards being inherently bad

Individuals can't do that much bad against a society where citizens can carry guns.

Rather it is the collective organization of individuals that empowers the State to have the might to enact horrific megadeath.

[1aguar]

Those of us in the US may have a solution...

It is called "a new currency"!

https://iuvdeposit.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/indorsed-bill-remedy/

[RealBitcoin]

Indeed a human is just an animal with a slightly higher level of reasoning. If you offer the animal unlimited free, addictive food (e.g. sugar or MSG laden), it eats and eats until it dies of obesity. Would you like to McUpSize that.

Mancur Olsen's The Logic of Collective Action explains this well.

In Europe the McUpSize has been on humanism rather than America's fatfood craze ("you are a liberated woman in control of your own body and that is why you can fuck anything you want to including but limited to you another woman's tongue and never bear offspring"). Europeans see themselves as more sophisticated socialist pigs.

The only way I can envision to squelch this phenomenon is to make it economically impossible to form top-down enforced collectives larger than a local community, i.e. remove the capability to form a power vacuum of control that must be filled by power (with corruption being naturally the most powerful mode). Local community reputation (within our Dunbar limit) naturally contain abusive excesses ("you are a fat lardass", "you are a disgusting dyke" says your neighbor). All my work on making anonymous decentralized crypto, is about making it impossible for a collective to exist per Max Weber's canonical definition, "State is a monopoly on the use of force".

I don't believe in anarchistic anything. To believe that such a system would work you have to believe that individuals are inherently good. I believe that in general individuals gravitate towards being inherently bad

Individuals can't do that much bad against a society where citizens can carry guns.

Rather it is the collective organization of individuals that empowers the State to have the might to enact horrific megadeath.

Yea europeans (I am european but i`m exception) have a highly sensitive social belonging crave. I see this is almost every country I visited, and not just in old people, but in every age group. Europe is collectivist by genetics.

Americans are more freedom and individual oriented, after all they went in 1700-1800 there from various places of the world. In Europe there were already welfare states in the 1800s, and they left to America just because they had individual freedom and economic freedom. So in my view American culture is higher one, unfortunately, they are social engineering it into a pitfall with all these stupid things that come out.

Africans are more tribal oriented, could be leftist or not, but alteast they focus more on family and localism, so its also a better local community focus and hardly care about the big picture.

Asians are also collectivists, for i dont know what reason.

So it can be a genetic thing, but also a cultural one.

The only way I can envision to squelch this phenomenon is to make it economically impossible to form top-down enforced collectives larger than a local community, i.e. remove the capability to form a power vacuum of control that must be filled by power (with corruption being naturally the most powerful mode).

In my view you can never get rid of leftists, its just part of human nature. But what can you do is to decentralize them. Instead of a giant zombie collective controlling all our lives with rabid greed and envy, if you decentralize leftism into local community pockets, it can become much manageable, and more responsible.

Take for example a leftist village, if the peasants get very lazy, and they dont work on the crops, they die of hunger, but if they get outside welfare from the next village, they will survive, and they will be lazy aswell.

But if you dont give them help, and let the village do what they can to survive, then even though you will still find 2-3 lazy peasant, the rest of them will work, and because of social pressure, outcasting, and perhaps severe criticism, they will begin eventually to work.

See some people never grow up, 30-40-50-60 year old people acting like 5 year olds, they might need some "parents" who straighten them out.


So in my example above, if you create many leftist villages that manage themselves by social pressure and outcasting lazy peasants who dont work, then you can achieve a much reasonable society, than with global socialism, where I pay for people 3000 km away to eat and drink and watch TV all day from their lazy unemployed asses, and they don't even mail me a letter saying "Thanks bro"...

[TPTB_need_war]

Well you have AnonyMint (me), your walking encyclopedia at your service...

Asians are also collectivists, for i dont know what reason.

It is because rice cultivation is labor intensive and need collectives to manage collective irrigation:

http://news.virginia.edu/content/rice-theory-explains-north-south-china-cultural-differences-study-shows

http://news.discovery.com/human/psychology/rice-vs-wheat-people-crops-yield-different-traits-140508.htm

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/10/transportation-divergence-and.html

http://blog.jim.com/politics/why-east-asians-vote-democrat/

That is why for Asians it is always what is best for the community that is paramount. You never stick you head up too high above the poppy seeds.

So it can be a genetic thing, but also a cultural one.

It is probably environmental. Before the last Little Ice Age, Europe had the perfect environment (it was warmer then than now, they grew strawberries in England!), nearly completely devoid of natural disasters such as tornados, hurricanes, drought, and earthquakes. That is probably why the population ballooned and the Dark Age extended for so long because there were too many farm works to justify inventing industrialization. The Black Death solved that problem killing off 60% of Europe's population and suddenly the Industrial Age was born.

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2013/11/european-asian-divergence-predates.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2012/05/30/whats-really-behind-europes-decline-its-the-birth-rates-stupid/
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Fertility_statistics_in_relation_to_economy,_parity,_education_and_migration

That population explosion in Europe with very productive wheat production requiring not much labor, creating a situation where women were encouraged to not marry early:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajnal_line



And that folks is why Europeans hate children until now. It is ingrained in them from the suffering Europeans went through. They suffered from their own fortune of having a great climate and an efficient grain production.

What did in France was make it impossible to refuse a women work nor to fire her, no matter how bad she is at the job, and thus they subsidized fertility at the cost of driving their economy towards bankruptcy. They basically bribed the women:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/21/france-population-europe-fertility-rate

http://www.mondaq.com/x/38434/New+French+Equal+Opportunities+Law+Limits+Use+of+Candidate+Data+in+Recruitment+Process

It is going to fail spectacularly for France.

http://blog.jim.com/politics/the-reason-that-women-need-to-be-subordinated-for-successful-reproduction/

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3000

http://blog.jim.com/culture/the-false-life-plan/