Reddit’s science forum banned climate deniers.

[Cryddit]

One of the creepiest things about the greenies is their affinity for death worship.  Whatever floats your boat dude.  To be blunt about it your Jim Jones couldn't come to soon for my tastes.  Most of us would be perfectly happy if you crackpots left us alone.

Wat?  Just because I'm a pessimist about the rest of you clowns and the probable results given how many people just refuse to admit there's a problem, does that mean I'm not allowed to take a little comfort in the thought that our species probably STILL won't go entirely extinct?

Hell, probably even the survivors after 90% of us die off will still be arguing about whether climate disruption  is our own fault or not and whether we need to change our lifestyle to avoid a disaster.

[Wilikon]

Welcome to the 6th mass extinction (which you caused, of course)

Mammals, birds and reptiles are disappearing from the planet so rapidly that a team of scientists concluded Friday that Earth is in the midst of a sixth mass extinction, one so dire that it could threaten the existence of humanity.

The scientific study, published Friday in the journal Science Advances, determined that animals are going extinct at a rate 100 times faster than normal if nature was on its regular course.

The joint study by scientists from the UC Berkeley, Stanford University and other research institutions said humans are polluting the ecosystem, destroying habitat and killing off species at a rate so rapid that the demise of animals like elephants, tigers, rhinoceros and others could occur within three human lifetimes.

“In real terms, we’re in trouble,” said Paul Ehrlich, a Stanford professor and president of the Center for Conservation Biology who co-authored the study. “This is another indicator that we are sawing off the limbs that we are sitting on.”



http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/6th-mass-extinction-under-way-may-put-humans-at-6338783.php

[Wilikon]

Paul Ehrlich Still Pushing Ecological Doomsday

So I read in the paper today that humans are causing a sixth mass extinction on the planet. Then, I see that one of the authors is Paul Ehrlich–author of the hysterically wrong The Population Bomb. But the article doesn’t mention that (in)famous book or Ehrlich’s history of hyperbolic ecological fear mongering. It simply identifies Ehrlich as a Stanford University professor and president of the Center for Conservation Biology.  That’s misleading by omission.  I checked other news reports, and they similarly merely refer to him as a professor, such as this one in the Telegraph:


Scientists at Stanford University in the US claim it is the biggest loss of species since the Cretaceous-Tertiary mass extinction which wiped out the dinosaurs 66 million years ago. “Without any significant doubt that we are now entering the sixth great mass extinction event,” said Professor Paul Ehrlich, at the Stanford Woods Institute for the Environment.


Doing that creates an illusion that Ehrlich would write an objective study. But Ehrlich is less a scientist than he is an ideologue who has made a good living off preaching doom and gloom for decades. And his prognostications are almost always wrong. For example, the Telegraph’s Tim Chivers penned a valuable column a few years ago outlining some of the panicked claims Ehrlich made in his book that proved to be hysterical rather than prophetic. From the column:


So, let’s take a look at some of his predictions, made in 1968:

1) “The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate,” he said. He predicted four billion deaths, including 65 million Americans…

What actually happened: Since Ehrlich wrote, the population has more than doubled to seven billion – but the amount of food per head has gone up by more than 25 per cent. Of course there are famines, but the death rate has gone down. I don’t think a significant number of Americans have starved.

3) “By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people … If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.”

What actually happened: I’m not hungry. I just ate. Are you hungry? Were you hungry in 2000, especially? Does England exist?



Here’s my point: You can’t report a doomsday story straight-faced as if Ehrlich doesn’t have a history. People know who Ehrlich is and many will–rightly or wrongly–discount the study precisely because we know that he has an ideological agenda. And then they moan that no one trusts “the science” anymore. This is an example of why–and why there is also so little trust remaining in the media.




http://www.nationalreview.com/human-exceptionalism/420082/paul-ehrlich-still-pushing-ecological-doomsday-wesley-j-smith

[galdur]

Next: Driving out the demons that both cause global warming skepticism and record cold around the world.

Catholic priests exorcise the entire country of Mexico as it seeks to drive out demons causing drug crime and violence
Daily Mail‎ - 8 hours ago

Catholic priests from around Mexico gathered at a central cathedral to do what they could to ...blah, blah and bleh

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3132975/Catholic-preists-exorcise-entire-country-Mexico-seeks-drive-demons-causing-drug-crime-violence.html

[Wilikon]

How climate-change doubters lost a papal fight

VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis was about to take a major step backing the science behind ­human-driven global warming, and Philippe de Larminat was determined to change his mind.

A French doubter who authored a book arguing that solar activity — not greenhouse gases — was driving global warming, de Larminat sought a spot at a climate summit in April sponsored by the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences. Nobel laureates would be there. So would U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, U.S. economist Jeffrey Sachs and others calling for dramatic steps to curb carbon emissions.

After securing a high-level meeting at the Vatican, he was told that, space permitting, he could join. He bought a plane ticket from Paris to Rome. But five days before the April 28 summit, de Larminat said, he received an e-mail saying there was no space left. It came after other scientists — as well as the powerful Vatican bureaucrat in charge of the academy — insisted he had no business being there.

“They did not want to hear an off note,” de Larminat said.

The incident highlights how climate-change doubters tried and failed to alter the landmark papal document unveiled last week — one that saw the leader of 1 billion Catholics fuse faith and reason and come to the conclusion that “denial” is wrong.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/how-climate-change-doubters-lost-a-papal-fight/2015/06/20/86af3182-15ce-11e5-8457-4b431bf7ed4c_story.html

[Cryddit]

Yeah, I bet a panel of geophysicists wouldn't want to hear from someone claiming the earth's core is made of  cheese, either.

You know, people being dismissive of your opinions and denying you the right to speak at conferences, isn't necessarily evidence of a goddamn conspiracy.  You have to consider the idea that maybe you're just plain wrong and they already know it and they don't want to waste any more of  their valuable time on you.

[notbatman]

Yeah, I bet a panel of geophysicists wouldn't want to hear from someone claiming the earth's core is made of  cheese, either.

You know, people being dismissive of your opinions and denying you the right to speak at conferences, isn't necessarily evidence of a goddamn conspiracy.  You have to consider the idea that maybe you're just plain wrong and they already know it and they don't want to waste any more of  their valuable time on you.

If you drill down real deep and analyze the microbes that live down there with the microbes in cheese, I'll bet you'll find a great number of similarities.

[notbatman]

Yeah, I bet a panel of geophysicists wouldn't want to hear from someone claiming the earth's core is made of  cheese, either.

You know, people being dismissive of your opinions and denying you the right to speak at conferences, isn't necessarily evidence of a goddamn conspiracy.  You have to consider the idea that maybe you're just plain wrong and they already know it and they don't want to waste any more of  their valuable time on you.

If you drill down real deep and analyze the microbes that live down there with the microbes in cheese, I'll bet you'll find a great number of similarities.

Although scientists suggested at this deep microbial life in the 1990s, it wasn't until recently that research followed up on the idea. The Yale team studied rocks on an island in northwestern Washington. The rocks had veins of aragonite that contained high levels of carbon, the kind of carbon associated with microbes that give off methane.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/31394/20150208/scientists-determine-that-life-possibly-exists-deep-beneath-earths-surface.htm

and the bacteria from cheese...

Effect of chronic ingestion of a fermented dairy product containing Lactobacillus acidophilus and Bifidobacterium bifidum on metabolic activities of the colonic flora in humans.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2119557

EDIT:

If you need visual proof it's made of cheese wikipedia has a vast image library.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Aragonite.jpg

[notbatman]

There's no denying there's a definite link between rocks and cheese here.

[Wilikon]

Yeah, I bet a panel of geophysicists wouldn't want to hear from someone claiming the earth's core is made of  cheese, either.

You know, people being dismissive of your opinions and denying you the right to speak at conferences, isn't necessarily evidence of a goddamn conspiracy.  You have to consider the idea that maybe you're just plain wrong and they already know it and they don't want to waste any more of  their valuable time on you.

It is not evidence of how goddamn science is supposed to work either...

[tvbcof]

It is not evidence of how goddamn science is supposed to work either...

Science, religion, and the sun have a long history of not mixing well.  The Catholic church has some famous examples of this

An emulsifier can be effective to some degree of getting oil and water to mix but the results are usually somewhat transient and incomplete.

https://i.imgur.com/IJfNeyl.jpg - popemobile image

[Wilikon]

It is not evidence of how goddamn science is supposed to work either...

Science, religion, and the sun have a long history of not mixing well.  The Catholic church has some famous examples of this

An emulsifier can be effective to some degree of getting oil and water to mix but the results are usually somewhat transient and incomplete.

https://i.imgur.com/IJfNeyl.jpg - popemobile image

Unless the vatican and (political) science have found the ultimate common ground...


 

[tyrexs]

 a false social construct with no scientific basis whatsoever. It exists, only because folks like you falsely opine that it does

[Wilikon]

a false social construct with no scientific basis whatsoever. It exists, only because folks like you falsely opine that it does

Folks? What false social construct? I don't know to whom or what you are replying to...

[nicked]

I'm sure that a lot of the ''man made climate apocalypse" supporters also support the "transgender" fad that has been trending lately. Doesn't that make them "science deniers" as well?

[Spendulus]

Yeah, I bet a panel of geophysicists wouldn't want to hear from someone claiming the earth's core is made of  cheese, either.

You know, people being dismissive of your opinions and denying you the right to speak at conferences, isn't necessarily evidence of a goddamn conspiracy.  You have to consider the idea that maybe you're just plain wrong and they already know it and they don't want to waste any more of  their valuable time on you.

Actually, if you know enough about the scientific findings and have thought them over, you do in fact know that all the current schemes for carbon reduction are FAILS.   You know that many of them are close to being outright frauds, and others are well into the scam category.

The discussion of such things should never be suppressed.

[nicked]

Yeah, I bet a panel of geophysicists wouldn't want to hear from someone claiming the earth's core is made of  cheese, either.

You know, people being dismissive of your opinions and denying you the right to speak at conferences, isn't necessarily evidence of a goddamn conspiracy.  You have to consider the idea that maybe you're just plain wrong and they already know it and they don't want to waste any more of  their valuable time on you.

Actually, if you know enough about the scientific findings and have thought them over, you do in fact know that all the current schemes for carbon reduction are FAILS.   You know that many of them are close to being outright frauds, and others are well into the scam category.

The discussion of such things should never be suppressed.

The ugly head of a socialist power grab, rising once again. Climate change is the new socialism.

[tvbcof]

Yeah, I bet a panel of geophysicists wouldn't want to hear from someone claiming the earth's core is made of  cheese, either.

You know, people being dismissive of your opinions and denying you the right to speak at conferences, isn't necessarily evidence of a goddamn conspiracy.  You have to consider the idea that maybe you're just plain wrong and they already know it and they don't want to waste any more of  their valuable time on you.

Actually, if you know enough about the scientific findings and have thought them over, you do in fact know that all the current schemes for carbon reduction are FAILS.   You know that many of them are close to being outright frauds, and others are well into the scam category.

The discussion of such things should never be suppressed.

The ugly head of a socialist power grab, rising once again. Climate change is the new socialism.

It's just a tool.

The problem with using the wrong tool for the job is that it can be damaged.  If your neighbor borrows your screwdriver and uses it as a cold chisel, it will never be the same.  That is what these folks are doing to science.  The repercussions will be severely regressive and this, more than anything, is what actually pisses me off.

There are some very rational justifications for 'socialism' or at least elements of it.  When I was more amenable to them I made my arguments on truth and logic as best I was able.  Some of these arguments took hold and we realized some of the benefits in terms of respect for the environment, giving the disadvantaged a fair shake, etc.  Now this side has become greedy and they want the whole pie.  Fuck them.  They should have absorbed the lesson of the fisherman's wife.  A better outcome would be that 'they have none' than they get what they want...or are  told is what they want; they as individuals are primarily tools just as is climate change.

[Wilikon]

Yeah, I bet a panel of geophysicists wouldn't want to hear from someone claiming the earth's core is made of  cheese, either.

You know, people being dismissive of your opinions and denying you the right to speak at conferences, isn't necessarily evidence of a goddamn conspiracy.  You have to consider the idea that maybe you're just plain wrong and they already know it and they don't want to waste any more of  their valuable time on you.

Actually, if you know enough about the scientific findings and have thought them over, you do in fact know that all the current schemes for carbon reduction are FAILS.   You know that many of them are close to being outright frauds, and others are well into the scam category.

The discussion of such things should never be suppressed.

The ugly head of a socialist power grab, rising once again. Climate change is the new socialism.

I don't know if climate change is the new socialism. It is something new. Proof is now the Vatican is in. It is about control as none of what is being pushed to "save the planet" is about planet saving.

[notbatman]

Things like the "great pacific garbage patch" create a visible impact on the environment. Man's "carbon" output on the other hand has the effect of a small volcano and that fits right in with the existing dynamic with no significant net change.