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Seas Will Rise 14 Feet – Will Displace 20 Million Americans by 2100 Due to Global WarmingJunk scientists are warning rising seas will displace at least 20 million Americans by 2100 due to global warming. Global alarmists insist the global sea level will increase by more than 14 feet by the end of the century. Someone should warn Al Gore. He just bought an $8 million oceanfront mansion in California in 2010. Obviously, he’s not too concerned. MSN reported: Millions of people in the United States could be forced to abandon their homes if planet-warming emissions continue unabated through 2100, pushing global sea levels up by more than 14 feet (4.2 meters), researchers said. In the United States, between 20 and 31 million people are living on land that would be submerged by rising oceans without aggressive cuts to greenhouse gas emissions, according to a study published on Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. That scenario could occur if global average temperatures rise by 3.3 degrees Celsius (5.9 degrees Fahrenheit) from pre-industrial levels by the end of the century, said the study’s lead author, Benjamin Strauss. Scientists fear ice sheets in Antarctica and other regions will melt as global temperatures increase, leading to major rises in sea levels. “I would avoid buying property in South Florida in particular,” Strauss told the Thomson Reuters Foundation. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/10/reuters-rising-seas-will-displace-20-million-americans-by-2100-due-to-global-warming/ I have more respect for people who change their views after acquiring new information than for those who cling to views they held thirty years ago. The world changes. Ideologues and zealots don’t.
In the thirty-five-odd years since the environmental movement came into existence, science has undergone a major revolution. This revolution has brought new understanding of nonlinear dynamics, complex systems, chaos theory, catastrophe theory. It has transformed the way we think about evolution and ecology. Yet these no-longer-new ideas have hardly penetrated the thinking of environmental activists, which seems oddly fixed in the concepts and rhetoric of the 1970s.
We need a new environmental movement, with new goals and new organizations. We need more people working in the field, in the actual environment, and fewer people behind computer screens. We need more scientists and many fewer lawyers.
We cannot hope to manage a complex system such as the environment through litigation. We can only change its state temporarily—usually by preventing something—with eventual results that we cannot predict and ultimately cannot control.
Nothing is more inherently political than our shared physical environment, and nothing is more ill served by allegiance to a single political party. Precisely because the environment is shared it cannot be managed by one faction according to its own economic or aesthetic preferences. Sooner or later, the opposing faction will take power, and previous policies will be reversed. Stable management of the environment requires recognition that all preferences have their place: snowmobilers and fly fishermen, dirt bikers and hikers, developers and preservationists. These preferences are at odds, and their incompatibility cannot be avoided. But resolving incompatible goals is a true function of politics.
We desperately need a nonpartisan, blinded funding mechanism to conduct research to determine appropriate policy. Scientists are only too aware whom they are working for. Those who fund research—whether a drug company, a government agency, or an environmental organization—always have a particular outcome in mind. Research funding is almost never open-ended or open-minded. Scientists know that continued funding depends on delivering the results the funders desire. As a result, environmental organization “studies” are every bit as biased and suspect as industry “studies.” Government “studies” are similarly biased according to who is running the department or administration at the time. No faction should be given a free pass.
I am certain there is too much certainty in the world. http://www.michaelcrichton.com/http://www.michaelcrichton.com/state-of-fear-authors-message/
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I always thought State of Fear would make a pretty good movie. It's got a pretty good bunch of evil bad guys, it's just that they are eco-terrorists. Seems like some people on some sides of issues would protect that flavor of terrorist.
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I always thought State of Fear would make a pretty good movie. It's got a pretty good bunch of evil bad guys, it's just that they are eco-terrorists. Seems like some people on some sides of issues would protect that flavor of terrorist. I wonder who has the rights to make a movie out of the book... so to never let a State of Fear movie be a reality.
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I always thought State of Fear would make a pretty good movie. It's got a pretty good bunch of evil bad guys, it's just that they are eco-terrorists. Seems like some people on some sides of issues would protect that flavor of terrorist. I wonder who has the rights to make a movie out of the book... so to never let a State of Fear movie be a reality. Why, such a movie must never, never be. Else people would start talking about the fact it isn't warming. And is that permissible? NO! Just look at this excellent work on devastation of coast lines. http://www.wired.com/2015/10/map-shows-sea-level-rise-will-drown-american-cities/Does it mention the PAUSE? Of course not. See how it should be done? Additional lessons are available for those who need remedial training in correctthink.
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I always thought State of Fear would make a pretty good movie. It's got a pretty good bunch of evil bad guys, it's just that they are eco-terrorists. Seems like some people on some sides of issues would protect that flavor of terrorist. I wonder who has the rights to make a movie out of the book... so to never let a State of Fear movie be a reality. Why, such a movie must never, never be. Else people would start talking about the fact it isn't warming. And is that permissible? NO! Just look at this excellent work on devastation of coast lines. http://www.wired.com/2015/10/map-shows-sea-level-rise-will-drown-american-cities/Does it mention the PAUSE? Of course not. See how it should be done? Additional lessons are available for those who need remedial training in correctthink.![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FtWPLZ9L.jpg&t=665&c=zEYsPhMRHl6U5A)
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I always thought State of Fear would make a pretty good movie. It's got a pretty good bunch of evil bad guys, it's just that they are eco-terrorists. Seems like some people on some sides of issues would protect that flavor of terrorist. I wonder who has the rights to make a movie out of the book... so to never let a State of Fear movie be a reality. Why, such a movie must never, never be. Else people would start talking about the fact it isn't warming. And is that permissible? NO! Just look at this excellent work on devastation of coast lines. http://www.wired.com/2015/10/map-shows-sea-level-rise-will-drown-american-cities/Does it mention the PAUSE? Of course not. See how it should be done? Additional lessons are available for those who need remedial training in correctthink.![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FtWPLZ9L.jpg&t=665&c=zEYsPhMRHl6U5A) http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/10/stop-the-devastation-of-peoples-lives-by-speculating-with-no-data-remembering-cattle-and-methane-emissions/....activists’ goal is to convince politicians of the problem. Once that happens it is virtually unstoppable as bureaucrats and research money (Figure 6) exaggerate, elaborate, and exacerbate so the truth never emerges....
85% of methane comes from the cow’s mouth.
A balanced approach would include all ruminants and changes in their numbers over time. For example, there is no question the number of cows in North America increased from the 1850s from approximately 120,000 to 86 million by the 1980s. However, during that time North American Bison (Buffalo, Figure 7) decreased from an estimated 65 million to 120,000 by the 1980s.But nowhere in the literature about "increases in methane from cows" and "cows are the second largest source of carbon pollution" was the decrease in the Bison population mentioned.
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October 14, 2015, 05:49:53 PM |
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Bolivia To The UN: Capitalism Must Be Destroyed To Fight Climate ChangeThe Aral Sea wasn't destroyed by capitalism, but by socialism Bolivia's ten structural solutions to the climate crisis: 1. Adoption of a new model of civilisation in the world without consumerism, war-mongering, and mercantilism, a world without capitalism; build and consolidate a world order of Living Well that defends and promotes the integral rights of our peoples, undertaking the path of harmony with nature and respect for life. 2. Construction of a climate system based on responsibility to Mother Earth, the culture of life and the full realization of humanity in their holistic development, humanising the economy, surpassing the simplistic approach to decarbonisation of the economy. 3. Protection of the Rights of Mother Earth in an articulated and complementary manner to the rights of peoples to their development. 4. Defense of universal common goods such as the seas and oceans, water, atmospheric space, as well as the technological monopoly, promoting people's access to the common heritage. 5. Elimination of patents on technologies and recognition of the human right to science and technology of life. 6. Effective implementation by governments of the human right to water. 7. Establishment of the International Court of Justice Climate and Mother Earth to enable countries to fulfill their international commitments to climate change in a context of respect for the rights of peoples and of Mother Earth. 8. Allocate the resources of the military machinery of the imperial powers and the war-mongers to finance the activities of the peoples against climate change.9. Eradication of commodification of nature and carbon markets promoting business climate millionaires, which do not solve the problem of the climate crisis. 10. Decolonize natural resources environmental colonial biased views that see the peoples of the South as forest rangers of Northern countries and communities as enemies of nature. http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2430237/bolivia-capitalism-must-be-destroyed-to-solve-climate-change--------------------------------------- The believers' Goddess: Mother Earth. Next: extermination of the deniers.
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Climate Change Deniers ARE WORSE THAN HOLOCAUST DENIERSAll that is true, but there’s a further point worth making: climate change denial is actually much worse than Holocaust denial. Holocaust denial deals with the deaths of millions in the past, which it did nothing to cause, however morally odious it surely is. Global warming denial deals with the deaths of millions in the future, which it helps to cause, by crippling efforts to prevent them. And that’s something much worse, as is reflected in law: It’s not a crime to lie about murders in the past, except to hinder a police investigation, or prosecution; but it is a crime to tell enabling lies about future murders—it’s called conspiracy to commit murder. http://www.salon.com/2015/10/13/wrong_wrong_wrong_the_anti_science_bullsht_which_explains_why_the_right_gets_away_with_lies_and_why_the_mainstream_media_lets_them/
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Climate Change Deniers ARE WORSE THAN HOLOCAUST DENIERSAll that is true, but there’s a further point worth making: climate change denial is actually much worse than Holocaust denial. Holocaust denial deals with the deaths of millions in the past, which it did nothing to cause, however morally odious it surely is. Global warming denial deals with the deaths of millions in the future, which it helps to cause, by crippling efforts to prevent them. And that’s something much worse, as is reflected in law: It’s not a crime to lie about murders in the past, except to hinder a police investigation, or prosecution; but it is a crime to tell enabling lies about future murders—it’s called conspiracy to commit murder. http://www.salon.com/2015/10/13/wrong_wrong_wrong_the_anti_science_bullsht_which_explains_why_the_right_gets_away_with_lies_and_why_the_mainstream_media_lets_them/ Now this is interesting. Let's jail them - for precrime.
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Climate Change Deniers ARE WORSE THAN HOLOCAUST DENIERSAll that is true, but there’s a further point worth making: climate change denial is actually much worse than Holocaust denial. Holocaust denial deals with the deaths of millions in the past, which it did nothing to cause, however morally odious it surely is. Global warming denial deals with the deaths of millions in the future, which it helps to cause, by crippling efforts to prevent them. And that’s something much worse, as is reflected in law: It’s not a crime to lie about murders in the past, except to hinder a police investigation, or prosecution; but it is a crime to tell enabling lies about future murders—it’s called conspiracy to commit murder. http://www.salon.com/2015/10/13/wrong_wrong_wrong_the_anti_science_bullsht_which_explains_why_the_right_gets_away_with_lies_and_why_the_mainstream_media_lets_them/ Now this is interesting. Let's jail them - for precrime. Full blown Minority Report mindset...
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Climate Change Deniers ARE WORSE THAN HOLOCAUST DENIERSAll that is true, but there’s a further point worth making: climate change denial is actually much worse than Holocaust denial. Holocaust denial deals with the deaths of millions in the past, which it did nothing to cause, however morally odious it surely is. Global warming denial deals with the deaths of millions in the future, which it helps to cause, by crippling efforts to prevent them. And that’s something much worse, as is reflected in law: It’s not a crime to lie about murders in the past, except to hinder a police investigation, or prosecution; but it is a crime to tell enabling lies about future murders—it’s called conspiracy to commit murder. http://www.salon.com/2015/10/13/wrong_wrong_wrong_the_anti_science_bullsht_which_explains_why_the_right_gets_away_with_lies_and_why_the_mainstream_media_lets_them/ Now this is interesting. Let's jail them - for precrime. Full blown Minority Report mindset... Tis naught but a moral panic, aye. Some argue that Climate Deniers have been selected as the new realization of moral panics concentrating on individual free thinking. People accused of Denierism are "...transformed into a concept of evil, which is then personified as a group of faceless, terrifying, and predatory devils..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panicA moral panic is an intense feeling expressed in a population about an issue that appears to threaten the social order.[1] The Oxford University's Dictionary of Sociology defines a moral panic as "The process of arousing social concern over an issue - usually the work of moral entrepreneurs and the mass media."[2] The media are key players in the dissemination of moral indignation, even when they do not appear to be consciously engaged in crusading or muckraking. Simply reporting the facts can be enough to generate concern, anxiety or panic.[3]:16 The term first appeared in the English language in 1830 in a number of Christian journals.
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THE BENEFITS OF CARBON DIOXIDE http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/the-benefits-of-carbon-dioxide/France’s leading television weather forecaster, Philippe Verdier, was taken off air last week for writing that there are “positive consequences” of climate change. Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of mathematical physics and astrophysics at the Institute of Advanced Study in Princeton, declared last week that the non-climatic effects of carbon dioxide are “enormously beneficial”. Patrick Moore, a founder of Greenpeace, said in a lecture last week that we should “celebrate carbon dioxide”.
Are these three prominent but very different people right? Should we at least consider seriously, before we go into a massive international negotiation based on the assumption that carbon dioxide is bad, whether we might be mistaken? Most politicians today consider such a view to be so beyond the pale as to be mad or possibly criminal.
Yet the benefits of carbon dioxide emissions are not even controversial in scientific circles. As Richard Betts of the Met Office tweeted last week, the “CO2 fertilisation effect” — the fact that rising emissions are making plants grow better — is not news and is discussed in the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The satellite data show that there has been roughly a 14 per cent increase in the amount of green vegetation on the planet since 1982, that this has happened in all ecosystems, but especially in arid tropical areas, and that it is in large part due to man-made carbon dioxide emissions.
Last week also saw the publication of a comprehensive report on “Carbon Dioxide — the Good News” for the Global Warming Policy Foundation by the independent American scientist Indur Goklany, to which Freeman Dyson wrote the foreword. The report was thoroughly peer-reviewed, as was almost all of the voluminous literature it cited. (Full disclosure: I helped edit the report.)
Goklany points out that whereas the benefits of carbon dioxide are huge and here now, the harms are still speculative and almost all in the distant future. There has so far been — as the IPCC confirms — no measurable increase in droughts, floods or storms worldwide, no reversal in the continuing rapid decline in deaths due to insect-borne diseases, and no measurable impacts of the continuing very slow rise in global sea levels. In stark terms, Bangladesh is still gaining land from sedimentation in its rivers’ deltas, has suffered no increase in cyclones, but has benefited from reduced malnourishment to the tune of billions of dollars from higher crop yields as a result of carbon dioxide emissions. That french weather forecaster got castrated big time tho. Saw him gesticulating live on some TV shows, "deniying without deniyng" somehow, and specify he was jewish AND gay to try at prevent the classic ad hitlerum and homovoric conservative counter arguments, which funnily did not even worked. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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.... That french weather forecaster got castrated big time tho. Saw him gesticulating live on some TV shows, "deniying without deniyng" somehow, and specify he was jewish AND gay to try at prevent the classic ad hitlerum and homovoric conservative counter arguments, which funnily did not even worked. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn200lvmTZcBut don't despair. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pibqo6Z4Cgo
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Fluoridation of water, vaccinations, and GMO food FTW!
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Fluoridation of water, vaccinations, and GMO food FTW! and volkswagen cars.. ^^
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Fluoridation of water, vaccinations, and GMO food FTW! and volkswagen cars.. ^^ ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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The video shows that the NASA chemtrails and clouds are keeping in warmth and ruining our produce. United Nations Exposes Chemtrails Weather Modification causing Climate ChangeVideo: The United Nations Exposes Chemtrails: 100% PROOF, We Are Being Poisoned "By now everyone has witnessed streaks of white trailing across the sky, stretching from horizon to horizon, ultimately turning the skies into a murky haze. We can no longer ignore the fact that our skies are being heavily polluted with aluminium, barium, lead, arsenic, chromium, cadmium, selenium, and silver. All of which attribute to a host of health problems including: neurological effects, heart damage, eyesight issues, reproduction failures, immune system damage, gastrointestinal disorders, damaged kidney, damaged liver, hormonal problems, and more.
The truth is the government is spraying deadly chemtrails in hopes of population reduction. Furthermore they have been known to use chemtrails as biological testing agents on the populace; all while claiming they are nothing more than mere vapor.
We’ll now we have 100% undeniable evidence that chemtrails exist. The video below is of Rosalind Peterson, the president of Agriculture Defence Coalition. In it she address the United Nations on chemtrails, geoengineering, and weather modification (HAARP).
If you were a skeptic before, I can assure you, that you will not be after hearing what she (the video below) has to say to the people in power ( via riseearth.com )."Pilots, Doctors, & Scientists Tell The Truth About Chemtrails/Geo-Engineering
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... "By now everyone has witnessed streaks of white trailing across the sky, stretching from horizon to horizon, ultimately turning the skies into a murky haze.
True! We can no longer ignore the fact that our skies are being heavily polluted with aluminium, barium, lead, arsenic, chromium, cadmium, selenium, and silver. All of which attribute to a host of health problems including: neurological effects, heart damage, eyesight issues, reproduction failures, immune system damage, gastrointestinal disorders, damaged kidney, damaged liver, hormonal problems, and more.[/i] ...
Not so true. These are hypothesis, and in my opinion some of them are fairly strong, but the statements are to general and the data is simply not available in a form which permits strong statements. Doing so opens us up to attack. One of the less mentioned activists on the subject, and one who I find effective and credible is a Jim Lee. He (nearly alone) seems to have gotten off his ass and forced the EPA to have a hearing on some of this stuff associated with pollution from aircraft. That made some of our concerns part of the congressional record and I respect him for that. I mention Lee because he made a good point: As you mentioned, it is undeniable that there are persistent trails which spread out into a haze. The best 'denial' is that 'it has always happened'. I don't remember it 'always happening', and I have been the kind of person who gazed at the sky and mused about things since childhood. Even as a kid I had a better conceptualization about the phase changes of water and other simple atmospheric phenomenon than most because I was always interested in science. Even if we grant that this persistent hazing from pure water vapor contrails is something that has 'always happened', it is pretty obvious that it has a strong likelihood of creating ecological changes due to solar flux changes. If the 'environmental impacts' of this hazing phenomenon have ever been studied in detail I've run across very little information about it. Logically, a battery of such studies on this topic would be a good starting point, Tactically, such studies would necessarily root out information about other things which may be going on. I find fault with some of the geoengineering crowd for proposing that Dr. Peterson's presentation to the U.N. somehow indicated that the U.N. was aware on conspiring on geoengineering and aware of certain negative effects of doing so. I personally believe that they almost certainly are (big time!), but Peterson's presentation is in no way indicative of this which was the picture that I see as being invalidly painted. I personally do not trust Wigington and his Geoengineeringwatch organization. I cannot put my finger on just why. My gut tells me that he is controlled opposition. I also find it irrational and suspicious that the most popular global warming skeptic site 'wattsupwiththat.com' strictly dis-allows any mention of geoengineering. It is not scientific to dis-allow exploration of any hypothesis, and it seems to me that geoengineering is quite plausibly associated with some climate observations at this point in time. I've not explored Rosalind Peterson's material which is supposed to be extensive (as is appropriate in scientific investigation.) My sense from the minor exposure I have seen is that she is likely credible. Lastly, I will (perhaps again) mention that I've been toying with the idea that one of the main reasons for the whole 'global warming' project is to justify geoengineering to be performed under the direction of the military, and for the primary purpose of the fairly mundane (but highly powerful) project of 'owning the weather.' If the 1996 document https://archive.org/details/WeatherAsAForceMultiplier is not a hoax and the military (or corp/gov) is somewhat on target for '2025' then it would be expected that some of these ideas are fairly advanced here in 2015.
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