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[dmyers1166]

LHE rake question, per web site ..

"Limit games with a big blind less than 0.1 BTC have 2.5% rake and a 2BB cap. Limit games with a big blind of 0.1 BTC or more have 1% rake and a 0.007 BTC (7 chip) maximum."

Is 2BB cap true .. if so then cap is really unlimited in LHE as pots don't get that big .. in a 10/20 limit game, 20 chips would be the cap.  I'll guess it is a typo, if not lets get that rake max same as higher limit or NLHE ...

[alkuluku]

A lot of hands are "like" other hands and if you are playing even a few tables you'll notice a lot of cases of matching and partial matching, it is to be expected. But if you get exactly 4c6d (in order) even 4 times out of 4, that's pretty far out there.

1 in (52x51)^4 ~= 1 in 4.946455187×10¹³

But given enough chances it will happen.

Note that's the odds of getting a hand picked in advance 4 times in a row. Getting any hand 4 times in a row is  a more reasonable 1 in 18,651,791,808.

There was an instance in New Zealand where 4 players were dealt a royal flush each.
The deck was shuffled and they played the next hand, again 4 royal flushes.

Rare as hell to occur, I'll see if I can find the link.

that's not possible. only one player can have a royal flush.

He could be talking about 5 card

Or stud.

Never seen four royal flushes twice in a row, only once. The mechanic who dealt the hands didn't feel the need to repeat the same trick and moved on.

[Micon]

LHE rake question, per web site ..

"Limit games with a big blind less than 0.1 BTC have 2.5% rake and a 2BB cap. Limit games with a big blind of 0.1 BTC or more have 1% rake and a 0.007 BTC (7 chip) maximum."

Is 2BB cap true .. if so then cap is really unlimited in LHE as pots don't get that big .. in a 10/20 limit game, 20 chips would be the cap.  I'll guess it is a typo, if not lets get that rake max same as higher limit or NLHE ...

I am pretty sure there is a 7 chip cap on sub-100 bb limit games... Freemoney will verify this soon.

we will always keep adjusting rake so it is fair

[bybitcoin]

May you limit the number of freeroll each player could register for, per day?
It is not interesting to play them at the moment, since it is more like a bang bang bingo game, ~150 players every time play bang bang to win some small portion of chips. Freerolls meant to be a way for talented players to build the bankroll necessary to start grinding the fish-pool, not bang bang to have one or three random winner every time, making thoughtful hate poker.
OR if you have a purpose to prefer freerolls chips being distributed this way, then you better put some kind of slot or dice game instead of poker specially designed for freerolls, since that would be more interesting and fun.

[cAPSLOCK]

Freerolls meant to be a way for talented players to build the bankroll necessary to start grinding the fish-pool, not bang bang to have one or three random winner every time, making thoughtful hate poker.

With all due respect I kind of disagree.  I think freerolls are best to feed chips into the micros. Let the newer players win some chips and when you play some low limit cash games they can come donk them off to you there.  Those games are soft enough.

Or play the 10c tourneys.  They are not super turbos, tend to be 25 players or less and pay out even a bit better than the freeroll. Even with a single table. They actually play like poker too, even down at this limit.

[FreeMoney]

LHE rake question, per web site ..

"Limit games with a big blind less than 0.1 BTC have 2.5% rake and a 2BB cap. Limit games with a big blind of 0.1 BTC or more have 1% rake and a 0.007 BTC (7 chip) maximum."

Is 2BB cap true .. if so then cap is really unlimited in LHE as pots don't get that big .. in a 10/20 limit game, 20 chips would be the cap.  I'll guess it is a typo, if not lets get that rake max same as higher limit or NLHE ...

It is the lesser of 2BB or 7 chips. So a limit game with 1/2 blinds has a max rake of 4 chips.

Table Starter Rakeback applies to limit also. All 2 and 3 handed play at 6 and 9 seat ring games gets 50% back weekly on Monday. So shorthand limit games of very high stakes still effectively only rake 0.0035 BTC per hand.

[luv2drnkbr]

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[dmyers1166]

It is the lesser of 2BB or 7 chips. So a limit game with 1/2 blinds has a max rake of 4 chips.

Table Starter Rakeback applies to limit also. All 2 and 3 handed play at 6 and 9 seat ring games gets 50% back weekly on Monday. So shorthand limit games of very high stakes still effectively only rake 0.0035 BTC per hand.

Thanks so 7 chip max and yes I know the 50% rakeback .. that works fine .. basically 1.25% and around $.25 max once rakeback is there 2.5% and $.5 at the tables .. FYI, it is a little high in HU play, but not sure why someone would play on HU table just go 6max and sit out if gets to many players. 

Stars rake is 2% $.5 so your comparable, but rakeback wins the day.  Thanks for the info, just want to make sure I wasn't playing a max 20 chip game.   

[bybitcoin]

response to cAPSLOCK: everyone can see something from a different angle and say this or that is better.
But there is at least a tradition and history here available: freerolls have been usually created for 2 purposes: 1-attracting players in and maintenance of consistent average traffic, and 2-help the talented player to go the ladder on. That I thing my criticism is correct.
(and still I don't understand how few 10 or 15 mBTC that is distributed randomly can help the micro cash games, it may helps to have the micro tourneys crowded but not cash..)

[Sicilian]

Freerolls meant to be a way for talented players to build the bankroll necessary to start grinding the fish-pool,

Why would this be the case?  Talented players can buy their own bitcoin, why do they need handouts?  Freerolls are the only way people can try out the site before they spend real money, since there are no play money tables.

[bybitcoin]

Sicilian: so due to your reasoning, if there is play money available, then freerolls r useless? that way most poker rooms like are stupid to put them in addition to play money... and that way it seems 170 out of fixed max 400 members of SWC are still testing the platform in freerolls every hour.
And there are a lot of big names who just started their career with freerolls, zero investment. After all it is the context of a lot of big famous poker rooms advertisement: zero to hero... 

[donk4u]

Freeroll money could be used for more promos. Its a shame that the triple krill for helping the site from six am to nineam and playing ring was taken away. Give something back to the loyal players. Even at triple krill going to take forever to get to 50k to get a descent rakeback. Need some more promos from 10 krill to 50krill level as there is nothing in between.

Its the same group of players playing in the freerolls. I see the same group of players that are constantly playing freeroll also constantly begging in lobby for chips and getting them. They aren't depositing. Pretty tilt inducing to see site give away 50 points every hour every day 24 hours every hour which comes to 1200 a day over 1k instead of giving it to players who contribute to site by playing ring games and earning money for the site. Obviously freeloaders aren't going to deposit . Hourly freerolls are not needed to have players try out the site they could have 3 freerolls for that btw. Love the site wish there where a few more inscentives put in place for ring players to prosper rather then the freerollers who aren't going to deposit as I see the same players there  . THanks , how about some aviator promos also?

[ranlo]

Freerolls meant to be a way for talented players to build the bankroll necessary to start grinding the fish-pool,

Why would this be the case?  Talented players can buy their own bitcoin, why do they need handouts?  Freerolls are the only way people can try out the site before they spend real money, since there are no play money tables.

This is what I was thinking. Anyone that plays poker seriously is going to avoid freerolls, unless they are doing them for training purposes (to show others play styles). There's no reason to put yourself in a donk-fest to win a small amount of money unless you aren't that good and are hoping to get better.

[donk4u]

That small amount of money adds up to 1.2 or 1200 bitcoins a day that should be going to reward players who rake and earn money for the site not freeloaders who have no intention of depositing and will either cashout winning our use that money to shortstack the ring games and freerola depositing players.

[ranlo]

That small amount of money adds up to 1.2 or 1200 bitcoins a day that should be going to reward players who rake and earn money for the site not freeloaders who have no intention of depositing and will either cashout winning our use that money to shortstack the ring games and freerola depositing players.

The chances of consistently winning is very low. And I completely disagree with your idea on freerolls and what they should be for. The way I see it, more people with money increases the amount of players there are, which brings in more people, which snowballs. If you saw a poker site with 10 people who had $50 or a site with 50 that had $10, you would be more likely to pick the site with 50.

[donk4u]

Im not talking about consistently winning im talking about giving the 1.2 a day to players who rake and earn for the site instead of people who aren't going to deposit. if a site has 300 players I will go to the one that has most ring games with cash going and not the one that has 300 players 200 of which are dedicated freeroll players only so I disagree with you 100 percent.

I will go to a site with 150 cash players over a site with 300 players of which 200 are freerollers .

[ranlo]

Im not talking about consistently winning im talking about giving the 1.2 a day to players who rake and earn for the site instead of people who aren't going to deposit. if a site has 300 players I will go to the one that has most ring games with cash going and not the one that has 300 players 200 of which are dedicated freeroll players only so I disagree with you 100 percent.

I will go to a site with 150 cash players over a site with 300 players of which 200 are freerollers .

Hmm, from my experience most people who win freerolls end up playing ring games or tournaments. Usually you can't cash out until you've built it up, so there's really no reason NOT to try to build it unless people really think they are going to keep winning.

I do see your point of view though. It helps explain why a lot of sites don't do real freerolls and instead have "depositor only" freerolls.

[bybitcoin]

I agree with you, better to put that 1,2 BTC in other promos than SUCH freerolls. But only because these freerolls harm more than make any positive...
These freerolls make one hate the game, random bang bang----bang---------bang---and one random become winner to win some 10 or 15 chips.
U guys say it makes a bankroll for non-depositors to play the real, I disagree, at the moment they are such crowded by donkey bang bang junks that I have a great doubt if one could make a single 100BB stack through them in a mounth with consistent playing... and if one can make, good for us.
But here we should look at history and tradition again: what big poker rooms put freerolls for...

[ranlo]

I agree with you, better to put that 1,2 BTC in other promos than SUCH freerolls. But only because these freerolls harm more than make any positive...
These freerolls make one hate the game, random bang bang----bang---------bang---and one random become winner to win some 10 or 15 chips.
U guys say it makes a bankroll for non-depositors to play the real, I disagree, at the moment they are such crowded by donkey bang bang junks that I have a great doubt if one could make a single 100BB stack through them in a mounth with consistent playing... and if one can make, good for us.
But here we should look at history and tradition again: what big poker rooms put freerolls for...

The donk-fests are why I avoid freerolls unless I am just extremely bored and need something to do. Otherwise I get irritated because of people who go all-in every hand, raise every hand, etc. Once you finally decide to call them because you have good cards, they luck out (like a 4 and 8 off suit and land a 4 of a kind) and you're out of the game.