[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[Bitcoin0916]

Dash is one of my favorite altcoin, I already have about 80 Dash since the first time I bought at the price of 0.008 in October 2015. Until now, I never sell. Hope the price could reach or exceed the highest price in August 2016.

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[Solarminer]

Proposal: Conferences & Travel - ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-conferences-travel-ice-totally-gaming.12855/

This proposal funds Dash's participation in the ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London, where we will present a combined payment and compliance solution for the gaming market with Coinfirm.

Wow! This is really going for the jugular.

"Dash will participate in the conference jointly with Coinfirm to present a combined offer for the gaming and gambling sector."

Are you removing mixing from 12.1 too?   Pretty much no point in mixing coins if Coinfirm is logging every transaction as mixed or unmixed.  Once merchants/exchanges only accept the unmixed transactions, whoops just killed mixing.  So much for fungibility.

I guess you could pay lawyers to sue merchants/exchanges for not accepting mixed transactions or to defend any money laundering bills that come up.  Maybe start an anti-fungibility fighter budget proposal too.

[Solarminer]

Even if you believed in Dash tech, you would be put off by all the corruption with core guys passing proposals that do nothing.   Legal, ATMs, ATM compliance.   All BS proposals with no updates except for some creative writing.

I couldn't have said that better myself.

This thread can summarize some of the problems.   Note that the thread is closed for new comments.
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-core-team-accountability-and-lack-of-communication.12567/

Your mistake was assuming you were participating in a normal FOSS project, when in reality the Dash community is more like a OneCoin or Scientology multi-level-marketing scam complete with insular, cultish us-vs-them attitudes.

Why didn't you listen to what vertoe said when she quit the project?  The lack of accountability and (meaningful) communication is 100% entailed by the top-down Duffield-centric hierarchy vertoe described in her magnum opus.

i left because i disagree darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity. it never was but i ignored it as long as darkcoin was following the same path i was following. the path to total financial privacy. and thats why i am so upset about how this currency is lead by a single person. darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid. evan duffield. the rebranding using a detergent name was just a step forward in creating something like apple or paypal. fuck this i tell you. what we need is a trustless, decentralized and anonymous currency. darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person. and this reaches deep into the code base.

the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing. the extended darkcoin team was the same with even a lower place to sit on that pyramid. and what was the darkcoin foundation again? right, something to reserve some rights on some names and collect money. who nominated and voted for the foundation board? who does even know who are these guys? how did we learn about the foundation? from local news papers! the team listings kept counting names of people nobody ever noticed before. and they never committed anything visible to the community or the repository. and i was spending 25 hours a day monitory everything that happened in the darkcoin community for more than a year. the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.

i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous. i always hoped darkcoin could fill that void. i cant blame anyone to stay with this project. you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.

if you disagree with my statement above, i dont care, but answer that simple question: what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?

good luck

That was almost two years ago, yet here you are acting all shocked and butthurt about the exact same "Decentralization Theater" issues that vertoe laid out and have been sitting around for all to read.

You had plenty of warning about Dash's Scientology-esque attack-the-attacker responses to criticism, so stop whining and accept you got brainwashed by a cult (albeit aided by your own greed).

TheDashGuy also told you in no uncertain terms.

What the hell is wrong with this picture? i thought we were a decentralized project?

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-this-picture-i-thought-we-were-a-decentralized-project.9229/

Starting to look like an old fashion centralized company around here. I guess theres only 3 peoples opinions who matter.

I don't exactly support Taos proposal as is but do you see me over here hounding him about spamming or anything just because I wish he would focus on something else? Or treating him like an annoying child like you guys always do?

No.

So get off your high horses. just because you bought so many nodes early on Daniel doesn't give you any sort of ownership over this goddamn project.

It's either decentralized or it isn't. Stop mincing words and meanings. Stick to your shit and stop going back and forth. You guys are really starting to worry me with this whole attitude honestly. Sort of wish I would have done more research about the team before committing so much of my time to this shit.

Grow the hell up and learn some people skills, you guys are really starting to show your true colors it seems. Dictating the way things are going to go and literally making people look bad who disagree with you and or starting some shit about people being trolls.

Not really sure why I'm here honestly, I believed in a decentralized economy that would be more fair to the average Joe, thats obviously not Dash. You guys just wanna stack more MN's while thier cheap, then control the voting all the way through! Smart move!

Such bullshit. Go ahead keep wasting the budget on getting richer and when the whole goddamn project collapses we'll know who to blame.

At least you are starting to wake up and realize Evan's cult considers him above reproach no matter what he does (rebrand to Dash, abandoning DarkCoin's massive name recognition and reputation for some generic soap BS) or does not do (no 2mb blocks despite overwhelming votes for that feature), and you are never going to get that Golden Donkey.

Isn't it about time you started crying fraud, now that you are starting to see the fraud?

Or will you persist in maintaining the delusion that a cult's leader is somehow accountable to and obligated to communicate with his bagholding, Kool-Aid drinking followers?

I think I found just one thing incorrect in your post.  Vertoe is a guy.

Well, I can answer this.  "What if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?" 
Vcash crashed and burned pretty hard when the developer blew up and left.  And Evan didn't go to the BTC Miami event....queue the Xfiles music.

[bigrcanada1]

People....PLEASE STOP QUOTING THE TROLLS! 

[MasterMined710]

Proposal: Conferences & Travel - ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-conferences-travel-ice-totally-gaming.12855/

This proposal funds Dash's participation in the ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London, where we will present a combined payment and compliance solution for the gaming market with Coinfirm.

"Dash will participate in the conference jointly with Coinfirm to present a combined offer for the gaming and gambling sector."

Are you removing mixing from 12.1 too?   Pretty much no point in mixing coins if Coinfirm is logging every transaction as mixed or unmixed.  Once merchants/exchanges only accept the unmixed transactions, whoops just killed mixing.

From what I understand, mixed transactions will be evaluated on a case by case risk assessment bases. That was the whole point of the partnership, so having mixed transactions would not be an acceptance problem. With all the new laws being pushed Dash may end up being the only anon coin accepted in regards to mainstream adoption. This is a good thing.

Good luck finding another anon coin that won't run afoul of the law. What is your solution?

[MasterMined710]

People....PLEASE STOP QUOTING THE TROLLS! 

Yeah i always try and cut out most of the FUD and still leave the somewhat legit questions intact. So if i quote the trolls you can be assured i cut as much as possible but leave just enough to have my response make sense in context.

[iCEBREAKER]

Could anyone explain me why Dash is needed at all?

Is it not just Bitcoin + Lightning Netowork + some Mixing Tool ?

What is the difference between those 2 ?

And Dash is not fungible like Monero, right ?

Is monero fungible when you don't even know for certain how many coins are being produced due to an opaque block chain?

No Dash is very different from all of those projects.  Lightning Network is a separate network that you have to lock your coins to for up to a year to make it worth while.  Only those who buy into your chain can be traded with.  it's clunky and ineloquent.  Dash has everything as part of the core network, instant, fungible/private.  It puts the user experience first, not a bunch of complex add on networks that lock you in a corner and nobody will use.  The lightning network might as well be a way to color your coins and make them less valuable due to inability to pull out and convert to something else.

Lord have mercy, "isn't Dash just BTC + Lightning + "some mixing tool"?  Obviously you have no idea what Dash has done.  It's too much to explain here, but I highly suggest you play in Testnet to see how it works, and then if you are interested, read the papers on Evolution to see where Dash is going.  Where Dash is going would be impossible for any single tier network to achieve.

Because Dash lacks SEGWIT, it does not and cannot have Lightning Network or any other kind of payment channels.

Until Dash has SEGWIT its transactions are malleable and thus cannot be locked for use in Lightning type write cache schemata.

As for TS2's laughably incompetent and off-topic FUD about another coin, it's best to consult the experts at StackExchange.

http://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/692/how-can-i-verify-the-monero-coin-supply-without-using-a-block-explorer

Starting with v0.10.1, there is now a command that give you this information.

Code:

print_coinbase_tx_sum

Dash does not have a StackExchange because crypto experts do not find it interesting and its attempt to be listed resulted in failure (just like the Lamassu ATM, Mycelium, and Legal/Compliance Research projects).


PS  

PLEASE STOP QUOTING THE PUMPERS!

[TanteStefana2]

Proposal: Conferences & Travel - ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-conferences-travel-ice-totally-gaming.12855/

This proposal funds Dash's participation in the ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London, where we will present a combined payment and compliance solution for the gaming market with Coinfirm.

Wow! This is really going for the jugular.

"Dash will participate in the conference jointly with Coinfirm to present a combined offer for the gaming and gambling sector."

Are you removing mixing from 12.1 too?   Pretty much no point in mixing coins if Coinfirm is logging every transaction as mixed or unmixed.  Once merchants/exchanges only accept the unmixed transactions, whoops just killed mixing.  So much for fungibility.

I guess you could pay lawyers to sue merchants/exchanges for not accepting mixed transactions or to defend any money laundering bills that come up.  Maybe start an anti-fungibility fighter budget proposal too.

I'm sorry Solar, but this makes no sense to me.

Well, I can answer this.  "What if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?" 
Vcash crashed and burned pretty hard when the developer blew up and left.  And Evan didn't go to the BTC Miami event....queue the Xfiles music.

LOL, are you being funny?  Evan is fine.  Ryan did a fantastic job presenting, and they simply decided to give Ryan a go out presenting. I'm not so sure Evan likes to present so much??!!!

[Solarminer]

Proposal: Conferences & Travel - ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-conferences-travel-ice-totally-gaming.12855/

This proposal funds Dash's participation in the ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London, where we will present a combined payment and compliance solution for the gaming market with Coinfirm.

"Dash will participate in the conference jointly with Coinfirm to present a combined offer for the gaming and gambling sector."

Are you removing mixing from 12.1 too?   Pretty much no point in mixing coins if Coinfirm is logging every transaction as mixed or unmixed.  Once merchants/exchanges only accept the unmixed transactions, whoops just killed mixing.

From what I understand, mixed transactions will be evaluated on a case by case risk assessment bases. That was the whole point of the partnership, so having mixed transactions would not be an acceptance problem. With all the new laws being pushed Dash may end up being the only anon coin accepted in regards to mainstream adoption. This is a good thing.

Good luck finding another anon coin that won't run afoul of the law. What is your solution?

Ok, but only since you asked.  
- Shadowcash has a two tiered network.  One set of addresses is completely transparent.  The other set is mixed.  You can transfer between the two layers and keep the first set looking like unmixed transactions.
- Maidsafe will do instant and anonymous without history that can be tracked.
- Zcoin has indicated they may change to do mixing 100% of the time and still have a transparent blockchain.   A much better solution to fungibility.  This still might get the flag - but at least all Zcoins would be worth the same.
- Zcash will have thunder - Like lightning.
- Lightning will enable mixing and instant transactions.  Looks like Litecoin may even be first with Bitcoin after.  The mixing happens off blockchain so it shouldn't be detected by Coinfirm.

[iCEBREAKER]

Proposal: Conferences & Travel - ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-conferences-travel-ice-totally-gaming.12855/

This proposal funds Dash's participation in the ICE Totally Gaming Conference in London, where we will present a combined payment and compliance solution for the gaming market with Coinfirm.

"Dash will participate in the conference jointly with Coinfirm to present a combined offer for the gaming and gambling sector."

Are you removing mixing from 12.1 too?   Pretty much no point in mixing coins if Coinfirm is logging every transaction as mixed or unmixed.  Once merchants/exchanges only accept the unmixed transactions, whoops just killed mixing.

From what I understand, mixed transactions will be evaluated on a case by case risk assessment bases. That was the whole point of the partnership, so having mixed transactions would not be an acceptance problem. With all the new laws being pushed Dash may end up being the only anon coin accepted in regards to mainstream adoption. This is a good thing.

Good luck finding another anon coin that won't run afoul of the law. What is your solution?

So even supposedly mixed Dash transactions still have distinguishing and identifying features sufficient for Coinfirm to treat them differently.

That's taking lack of fungibility to a whole new level.  Not to mention the 100% centralized nature of having Coinfirm Inc. function as a gatekeeper.

Of course since it reportedly takes hours or days to use Dash's abandoned and atrophied mixing system, nobody actually uses it.   

[tungfa]

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man man - solar now officially siding with the trolls 
after he tried to scam us and sell that SLACK channel for hard cash (nobody took it obviously - why would anybody pay)
he seems officially bud hurt out there
dont u cry now - remember u brought this on yourself   

[stealth923]

troll BS 1

troll BS 2

man man - solar now officially siding with the trolls 
after he tried to scam us and sell that SLACK channel for hard cash (nobody took it obviously - why would anybody pay)
he seems officially bud hurt out there
dont u cry now - remember u brought this on yourself   

That's what happens when you sell all your coins in rage then realise that you need to pay more to get back in.

[volyova]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/3sa0cr/what_coins_are_most_likely_a_scam/

[volyova]

Charlie has recently been getting into anoncoins! He is so naughty! His assessment of a couple of them is presented here.

https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/823679389401387009

[dafdaf]

Icetroll-like BS full of bitterness

I'm getting tired of that crap.
Solarminer ---> ignore.

[Solarminer]

troll BS 1

troll BS 2

man man - solar now officially siding with the trolls 
after he tried to scam us and sell that SLACK channel for hard cash (nobody took it obviously - why would anybody pay)
he seems officially bud hurt out there
dont u cry now - remember u brought this on yourself   

This just shows how incompetent the marketing team is.  We offered the core team the option to bid(with no minimum) on the slack that we built over 1000 users with 15,000 messages a week.   What did they bid?   No response.  Not even a we want it, but we don't want to pay.  Genius move.

[volyova]

troll BS 1

troll BS 2

man man - solar now officially siding with the trolls 
after he tried to scam us and sell that SLACK channel for hard cash (nobody took it obviously - why would anybody pay)
he seems officially bud hurt out there
dont u cry now - remember u brought this on yourself   

Yes, yes..I'm a troll, Icebreaker's a troll and now solarminer is a troll. Anyone who criticises Dash at all is obviously a troll. Tell me, is Charlie Lee also a troll? Because he is also saying some horrible and nasty things about poor, harangued, hard-done-by Dash. Maybe you should put him on the ignore/troll list as well, just in case he decides to post a comment here?

Newbs get this: when the masternode sell-off begins it will already be too late for you to get out. You will wake up in the poor house. Ditch this shit now while you can still get a relatively high price for it.

[volyova]

troll BS 1

troll BS 2

man man - solar now officially siding with the trolls 
after he tried to scam us and sell that SLACK channel for hard cash (nobody took it obviously - why would anybody pay)
he seems officially bud hurt out there
dont u cry now - remember u brought this on yourself   

Anyone surprised though? just saying....

Yes. I am surprised.

[iCEBREAKER]

troll BS 1

troll BS 2

man man - solar now officially siding with the trolls  
after he tried to scam us and sell that SLACK channel for hard cash (nobody took it obviously - why would anybody pay)
he seems officially bud hurt out there
dont u cry now - remember u brought this on yourself  

Yes, yes..I'm a troll, Icebreaker's a troll and now solarminer is a troll. Anyone who criticises Dash at all is obviously a troll. Tell me, is Charlie Lee also a troll? Because he is also saying some horrible and nasty things about poor, harangued, hard-done-by Dash. Maybe you should put him on the ignore/troll list as well, just in case he decides to post a comment here?

Newbs get this: when the masternode sell-off begins it will already be too late for you to get out. You will wake up in the poor house. Ditch this shit now while you can still get a relatively high price for it.

Shots fired!!!




Wow, Charlie Lee is Grade A troll.  Who knew?  

[wackyD]

troll BS 1

troll BS 2

man man - solar now officially siding with the trolls 
after he tried to scam us and sell that SLACK channel for hard cash (nobody took it obviously - why would anybody pay)
he seems officially bud hurt out there
dont u cry now - remember u brought this on yourself   

Yes, yes..I'm a troll, Icebreaker's a troll and now solarminer is a troll. Anyone who criticises Dash at all is obviously a troll. Tell me, is Charlie Lee also a troll? Because he is also saying some horrible and nasty things about poor, harangued, hard-done-by Dash. Maybe you should put him on the ignore/troll list as well, just in case he decides to post a comment here?

Newbs get this: when the masternode sell-off begins it will already be too late for you to get out. You will wake up in the poor house. Ditch this shit now while you can still get a relatively high price for it.

Wow, Charlie Lee is Grade A troll.  Who knew?   

Who cares what this guy thinks?

His claim to fame was driven by:

CTRL-C
CTRL-P

And litecoin was born
He's not an innovator and apart from his mouth mouthing off, doesn't contribute that much