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January 31, 2017, 12:33:45 PM

DASH, is one of the altcoin since I bought but I never sell, currently I have about 90 dash, the result of purchased four times, and the last buying is early January 2017. I will buy again in a week again, for complement 100 DASH.

May I suggest you to buy into one of the shares node services, so that those 100 will squish you some extra 0,x dash every month (sure, not millions, but why trow a little extra profit?)

Those services are super nice. I can recommend warmly MooCowMoo's masternode.me. It works from 25 DASH upwards. MNs allow a crypto investment where you earn crypto (DASH) and don't have to risk the principal in the process as with mining, so it's ROI from Day 1.
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this is some old post in their faq and i would not read too much into it

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I had to post this here due to hard trolling lately:
http://www.coindesk.com/fbi-concerned-about-criminal-use-of-private-cryptocurrency-monero/
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January 31, 2017, 05:22:32 PM

Cry I had to post this here due to hard trolling lately  Cry
[off-topic removed]

Criticism of Dash's Instamine, centralized development, and many expensive, unaccountable failed projects is not "trolling."

And it's on-topic, unlike your post.

Let's change the subject back to Dash, shall we?

Here's coblee (Coinbase's Dir. of Engineering) clarifying why Dash's shitty governance isn't his cup of tea.

https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/825124456897007616


--->

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/i-sold-all-my-dash-here-is-why-and-my-view-on-the-state-of-dash.11416/




OK, which one of you cult enforcers marked ^this^ as "Trolling?"   Cheesy


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http://www.coindesk.com/fbi-concerned-about-criminal-use-of-private-cryptocurrency-monero/

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The privacy-focused digital currency monero has captured the attention of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), which has expressed concerns over its use among criminals.

and so it begins...

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Following the event, the special agent said he couldn't provide additional details specifically pertaining to the FBI’s investigative techniques surrounding monero when asked by CoinDesk.

oh boy   Shocked

Edit : sorry AzzAz, i overlooked your post on previous page


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Can you answer why  XMR supporters are radically aggressive appearing in each and every single thread, flooding the discussions, and FUDing all the coins that appear on their way?
Not just DASH but all other coins as well?

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oh boy

Got to give them credit for getting away with selling sand to the Arabs.

(Specially when 99% of the transactions use Poloniex's 'obfuscation' services anyway and not Ring CT's  Cheesy )
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Can you answer why  XMR supporters are radically aggressive appearing in each and every single thread, flooding the discussions, and FUDing all the coins that appear on their way?
Not just DASH but all other coins as well?

What they don't realize is the flood just make us more stronger. Imagine poor souls like Icy, posting here almost every day ¡for years!



They are so pathetic.... I have no words.


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Can you answer why  XMR supporters are radically aggressive appearing in each and every single thread, flooding the discussions, and FUDing all the coins that appear on their way?
Not just DASH but all other coins as well?

The answer to that question was posted here.
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....you can only do so using a co-ordinated campaign of hype, fear-mongering, strawman threats, trolling the competition and spending a ton of money on pink bentleys & $250k market pumps just when your 4-Hour MACD's about to get flushed down the toilet. (Easier if only 1 exchange is involved  Wink ).

Ah...I forgot one. "vainglorious name dropping"  Cheesy

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January 31, 2017, 06:27:42 PM

http://www.coindesk.com/fbi-concerned-about-criminal-use-of-private-cryptocurrency-monero/

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The privacy-focused digital currency monero has captured the attention of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), which has expressed concerns over its use among criminals.

and so it begins...

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Following the event, the special agent said he couldn't provide additional details specifically pertaining to the FBI’s investigative techniques surrounding monero when asked by CoinDesk.

oh boy   Shocked


Is this supposed to be bad for Monero or something?  I seriously doubt the feds are going to be able to coerce view keys from transactions to put any links together.

Why did they pick Monero?   Here is the quote - notice they mention "catches on".  Which privacy coin has highest market cap?
"We’re going to look at what catches on, and what becomes mainstream, and then we’re going to keep an eye on that, because usually not long after that is when you start to see some of the fraud and some of the more nefarious uses of that technology."


On the other hand Dash is partnering with Coinfirm.   Coinfirm should be able to track IP to masternode address to how many rewards each masternode gets to where it is spent.   At that point, any law that comes into play can force a warrant to get the user of an IP address and file criminal charges....tax evasion, mixing(laundering), money transmitter, not declaring crypto holdings over xxxx amount.   The law may not exist now, but the blockchain is forever so expect retroactive enforcement.  Ironically, it would be a piece of cake for the Fed to go after Dash "criminals".  What about mixing?   Feds can just declare mixed coins laundered too.

There is a solution.  It is called IP blinding.  Has that been implemented as a standard feature?  Nope.   Or mixing could be default so coinfirm can't track all of this information, but that idea was put to bed too.

I really could care less about Monero.  But it sure would be nice if Dash would pay attention to what is happening and improve privacy instead of assuming every other coin is inferior.

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puuh, this dash vs. monero fight is so annoying.

the only outcome of this fight will be that a lot of people will stop following the threads and will forget both coins.

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I seriously doubt the feds are going to be able to coerce view keys from transactions to put any links together.

They don't have to. The job's done for them by providing them with a nice neat "black hole" to stand guard over.

For crypto to work as money, it has to have a "face" in as many sectors of commercial and economic life as possible because one economic sector "levers" the value from another in a way that goods and services can't, being sector-specific. Thats what makes the $USD the criminal currency of choice - because it can be earned illicitly in one sector and pop-up somewhere completely differently to be spent on kids christmas presents.

The second thing is, as far as surveillance goes, no cryptocurrency networks (obfuscated or otherwise) tell you a thing about identities unless you're already in possession of significant off-chain information. That can only be gleaned from the entry and exit points to the coin supply - i.e. commercial trading, exchanges, wage earning etc. So if you create an unbacked monetary network that is entirely obfuscated then you're basically kissing goodbye your long term value proposition from widespread adoption on 3 counts:

1. all your boundary points will get regulated out of existence by virtue of tainting the entire network as a suspicious trading indicator

2. you'll end up getting used exclusively as a sector-specific payments system instead of a store of value which leaves you wide open to any competing technology that happens to provide the same service as yours does but cheaper, more conveniently or more reliably

and that's without even considering the biggest ticking-timebomb calamity of all...

3. Confidence. As I explained in this post, the whole point of the Satoshi transparent model was to 'fix' the one thing that has always prevented a trust-free decentralised token from taking hold and garnering real monetary value - public confidence and how to "not" puncture it. It's unlikely that bitcoin would have made it through all its various rollercoaster rides of the last 8 years IMO without complete and un compromised transparency. Gox, malleability crises, heists - you name it. Whether the Feds are crawling all over it isn’t the point. The point is it has the public crawling all over it every minute of every day which is why it remains robust in the face of rumours, scams and technology crises.

The reason why Dash’s privacy model is miles ahead of anything else is because it looked beyond the horizons of "technological obfuscation" and dealt with each of those 3 points independently.

All the cryptonote model does is deny those challenges even exist and bury the whole blockchain from sight. An exercise in nerd-wizardry but monetary gimmickry and not exactly an inspiring prospect. But then again as I’ve stated, that approach was never invented for defining trustless money anyway.

It was invented for carrying bank-backed credit money which is why obfuscation (encryption) was made the priority over authenticity.
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Can you answer why  XMR supporters are radically aggressive appearing in each and every single thread, flooding the discussions, and FUDing all the coins that appear on their way?
Not just DASH but all other coins as well?
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1233817.0

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http://www.coindesk.com/fbi-concerned-about-criminal-use-of-private-cryptocurrency-monero/

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The privacy-focused digital currency monero has captured the attention of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), which has expressed concerns over its use among criminals.

and so it begins...

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Following the event, the special agent said he couldn't provide additional details specifically pertaining to the FBI’s investigative techniques surrounding monero when asked by CoinDesk.

oh boy   Shocked



Coinfirm should be able to track IP to masternode address to how many rewards each masternode gets to where it is spent.   At that point, any law that comes into play can force a warrant to get the user of an IP address and file criminal charges....tax evasion, mixing(laundering), money transmitter, not declaring crypto holdings over xxxx amount.   The law may not exist now, but the blockchain is forever so expect retroactive enforcement.  Ironically, it would be a piece of cake for the Fed to go after Dash "criminals".  What about mixing?   Feds can just declare mixed coins laundered too.

There is a solution.  It is called IP blinding.

"tax evasion, mixing(laundering), money transmitter, not declaring crypto holdings over xxxx amount."

these problems are not unique to DASH, all crypto are susceptible, at least for the 3 year irs statute of limitation (so no, not forever). masternodes don't come into possession of coins so mark mixing and money transmitter off the list too.


tok answered the other questions eloquently, as always.

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Cry I had to post this here due to hard trolling lately  Cry
[off-topic removed]

Criticism of Dash's Instamine, centralized development, and many expensive, unaccountable failed projects is not "trolling."

And it's on-topic, unlike your post.

Let's change the subject back to Dash, shall we?

Here's coblee (Coinbase's Dir. of Engineering) clarifying why Dash's shitty governance isn't his cup of tea.



--->

OK, which one of you cult enforcers marked ^this^ as "Trolling?"   Cheesy

This is essentially a shill post for monero. stop shilling on the dash forum.
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puuh, this dash vs. monero fight is so annoying.

the only outcome of this fight will be that a lot of people will stop following the threads and will forget both coins.

 Huh

Dash people tend to stick to the topic of dash. We just have a legion of monero trolls on here that either like to shill for monero or try and put dash down in any way they deem fit (usually through lies)

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https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/copay-dash-wallet-testnet-only-rc-0-1.12930/


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Coinfirm should be able to track IP to masternode address to how many rewards each masternode gets to where it is spent.   At that point, any law that comes into play can force a warrant to get the user of an IP address and file criminal charges....tax evasion, mixing(laundering), money transmitter, not declaring crypto holdings over xxxx amount.   The law may not exist now, but the blockchain is forever so expect retroactive enforcement.  Ironically, it would be a piece of cake for the Fed to go after Dash "criminals".  What about mixing?   Feds can just declare mixed coins laundered too.

There is a solution.  It is called IP blinding.

"tax evasion, mixing(laundering), money transmitter, not declaring crypto holdings over xxxx amount."

these problems are not unique to DASH, all crypto are susceptible, at least for the 3 year irs statute of limitation (so no, not forever). masternodes don't come into possession of coins so mark mixing and money transmitter off the list too.

No, actually Dash is uniquely susceptible.  Masternode IPs are required to be static and public.  They also require collateral stored in an address.   No other currency (besides Dash clones) links a public address with funds and rewards to the IP address.

The 3 year limitation is only if you want to get a refund back.  If the IRS finds that you owe money, there is a 10 year limitation.

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Coinfirm should be able to track IP to masternode address to how many rewards each masternode gets to where it is spent.   At that point, any law that comes into play can force a warrant to get the user of an IP address and file criminal charges....tax evasion, mixing(laundering), money transmitter, not declaring crypto holdings over xxxx amount.   The law may not exist now, but the blockchain is forever so expect retroactive enforcement.  Ironically, it would be a piece of cake for the Fed to go after Dash "criminals".  What about mixing?   Feds can just declare mixed coins laundered too.

There is a solution.  It is called IP blinding.

"tax evasion, mixing(laundering), money transmitter, not declaring crypto holdings over xxxx amount."

these problems are not unique to DASH, all crypto are susceptible, at least for the 3 year irs statute of limitation (so no, not forever). masternodes don't come into possession of coins so mark mixing and money transmitter off the list too.

No, actually Dash is uniquely susceptible.  Masternode IPs are required to be static and public.  They also require collateral stored in an address.   No other currency (besides Dash clones) links a public address with funds and rewards to the IP address.

The 3 year limitation is only if you want to get a refund back.  If the IRS finds that you owe money, there is a 10 year limitation.


my ip is not linked/associated with my masternodes (ran by a 3rd party in different country). i am not trying to avoid the irs anyway. there was a paper published recently about how to hide masternodes but it was over my head. vertoe even surfaced to check it out, i'm sure you saw it.

Edit: here it is...
Security-Privacy-Centric Solution For Anonymous DASH (Masternode) Local Wallet Based On Debian GNU/Linux, VirtualBox, Whonix GNU/Linux Including Tor And Tails
– VERSION 0.1.8 [2016-12-17] –
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Dash+Security-Privacy+Paper



 i want to be invested in a coin like dash/btc that is in compliance and plans to go mainstream not be regulated to the darknet. and like tok said, you have to move to fiat at some point, those choke points will catch up with you eventually if you are worried about hiding from the irs.

here is some good info if you are planning on avoiding taxes and trying to get away with it, i don't advise doing that...

How Far Back Can IRS Claim Tax Evasion Or Fraud? Timing Is Everything
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2013/10/13/how-far-back-can-irs-claim-tax-evasion-or-fraud-timing-is-everything/#1c1f03be53ff

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