[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[Ignition75]

Okay, great. Agree totally, reset the platform upon which this stuff sits/get people to "think" using different tools/techniques (but we'll still need one foot in the existing modus operandi of "marketing/product positioning" or we'll never connect to enough people to get some sort of critical mass). The important point is consideration of DRK's outbound messaging is fundamentally important and we need to get ahead of the situation before it "forks" off into unrecoverability (look at any failed political campaign and you can generally see where the political party involved lost control of their message early on and failed to recover it).

I think Salmion's suggestion to get this going as a discussion on Darkcointalk is good and Nthelight's invite to that thread on the same forum where he's already put forward many key points around this same issue is worth accepting/being involved with too.

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/10-reasons-to-invest-in-darkcoin.814/#post-4804

I'll see you over in that discussion then... I want to be involved and bounce ideas around as well...

[RenegadeMan]

Guys, I'm so tired of the endless debate on the name. Yes, I understand that a brand is extremely important, but we are taking it a bit too far, aren't we?

The word "dark," to most people, simply means "absence of light" or "hidden from sight." It does not, to most people, immediately imply "evil" or "child porn" or "murder for hire." The word, in the context within which it's used, simply means "hidden coins."

Respectfully ddink7, I unfortunately don't think you're right. The term "dark" where it's related to anything associated with the Internet means "people doing illegal things". The presence of "coins" within the context is almost irrelevant. I'll bet if you took this to a series of focus groups (as abhorrent a concept as they are) you would find that nearly every person would consider the word "dark" to be associated with illegal goings on and/or dubious on-line activity by people with something to hide that involves them doing wrong. I'm in Australia and have mentioned DarkCoin to a few friends and family and every single person has thought that it sounds (what we here term) dodgy. Maybe wherever you are it's different, but I'd be surprised if that's the case.

[Microbit001]

How is this First anonymous coin? Confused. Aren't all crypto currencies anonymous?

[aigeezer]

The notion that a team must do either marketing/branding or product development is a false dichotomy. Some responses to the "let's do branding" position seem to be taking an either/or approach which is not necessary.

Those who feel marketing/branding is vital are free to work on it without any need for others to stop working on product development.

My own take is that branding/marketing is of relatively little consequence in big picture terms. While many marketing campaigns have been spectacularly effective, marketing efforts cannot prop up a weak product indefinitely (MintChip crypto, Blockbuster). At the other extreme, there are legendary examples of products that rose to the top with little or no marketing (Hershey bars, Napster), and even stellar products with good marketing that failed anyway (Betamax, quadraphonic sound). Those who perceive that marketing is paramount will say the failures needed more marketing and those who perceive that product is paramount will say the failures needed better product. There are no hard science methods to test the relative contribution of the factors.

Regardless - the "other side" - the fiat side - will invest heavily in marketing efforts to discredit crypto in general and DRK in particular once it is on their radar. We cannot possibly beat them in media access, coverage, or any of the other advantages that accrue to established entrenched entities. They will say and do anything they perceive will help preserve their hegemony. Anything. We cannot compete at that level without becoming just like them.

Never wrestle a pig in a mudhole. You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

On the other hand, crypto's potential strength is in nimbleness and product. Crypto is an idea whose time has come. Privacy is an idea that must never be lost.

Heh - a year or so back, the "other side" described BTC in the media as being used "to buy assault rifles stuffed with heroin". We haven't even begun to hear the smears they'll come up with for DRK. Once they gather some momentum, the puerile trolling so far in the forums will seem like the good old days. Product might win but marketing will be buried by the other side, imho.

Pawn to queen four. Mate in seven.        


  

[CHAOSiTEC]

Whatever exchange you use, make sure you have activated 2FA, if you have trouble with it, dont leave ANY coins on ANY exchange.

i had trouble with my 2FA so i got it disabled, but i didnt take out my coins as soon as cryptsy had disabled it, and in less than 24 hours, i had lost my 131 drk.

Since i have 2FA on my gmail, they could not just withdraw, so what they did instead was trade all my coins to GDC and sold it to another account...

So, Please remember, USE 2FA AT ALL TIMES! and if not, make sure you dont have any coins ANYWHERE else but your wallet (with backup of your wallet.dat)

Can I ask you
1) how complicated your pw was?
2) whether you reused the pw on other websites?

I am using 10 characters long unique pw - would you say I still need the 2FA? How could anyone compromise my account?

for your own safety, yes

my password was a combination of small and large letters with numbers, but since ive used that password a few other places, i dont know where its been compromised (password is used on a few exchanges - and only in the bitcoin world)

[vertoe]

The existing establishment is going to throw untold amounts of money at a media blitzkrieg for many years to come, it's gonna get really ugly before it gets better for Crypto, but as Alex said, 75% of the world is without banking and developed infrastructure, we have to ride Google's wave of getting cheap smartphones into the hands of the masses to show all their ads, and just make sure we have a super light and secure Darkcoin app running in the background  

There's already an Android wallet. It's on Play. If anyone hasn't used it yet, take it for a spin, tell the dev you like it, send him half a DRK... to work with DS+ AFAICT he just needs to update to the latest daemon and launch it with darksend enabled, rounds set to 2, and a new anonymised balance widget on screen.

So donate a small amount and ask politely for an RC4 update.  

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=hashengineering.darkcoin.wallet&hl=en

github: anyone with Android dev experience can pull it and experiment - https://github.com/HashEngineering/darkcoin-wallet

Its not using a darkcoind daemon as far as I know, it's an own implementation, so it wont work with darksend+ unless its opensourced.

[KryptoFoo]

Okay, great. Agree totally, reset the platform upon which this stuff sits/get people to "think" using different tools/techniques (but we'll still need one foot in the existing modus operandi of "marketing/product positioning" or we'll never connect to enough people to get some sort of critical mass). The important point is consideration of DRK's outbound messaging is fundamentally important and we need to get ahead of the situation before it "forks" off into unrecoverability (look at any failed political campaign and you can generally see where the political party involved lost control of their message early on and failed to recover it).

I think Salmion's suggestion to get this going as a discussion on Darkcointalk is good and Nthelight's invite to that thread on the same forum where he's already put forward many key points around this same issue is worth accepting/being involved with too.

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/10-reasons-to-invest-in-darkcoin.814/#post-4804

I'll see you over in that discussion then... I want to be involved and bounce ideas around as well...

Hey maybe easy first step we stop using darth vader meme and start using Skywalker  

[vertoe]

Whatever exchange you use, make sure you have activated 2FA, if you have trouble with it, dont leave ANY coins on ANY exchange.

i had trouble with my 2FA so i got it disabled, but i didnt take out my coins as soon as cryptsy had disabled it, and in less than 24 hours, i had lost my 131 drk.

Since i have 2FA on my gmail, they could not just withdraw, so what they did instead was trade all my coins to GDC and sold it to another account...

So, Please remember, USE 2FA AT ALL TIMES! and if not, make sure you dont have any coins ANYWHERE else but your wallet (with backup of your wallet.dat)

Can I ask you
1) how complicated your pw was?
2) whether you reused the pw on other websites?

I am using 10 characters long unique pw - would you say I still need the 2FA? How could anyone compromise my account?

for your own safety, yes

my password was a combination of small and large letters with numbers, but since ive used that password a few other places, i dont know where its been compromised (password is used on a few exchanges - and only in the bitcoin world)

So all I need to do is set up my own exchange to spoil your passwords? Thats really poor, maybe you want to google for something like "PWDHASH". I'm using that--> Plugin that generates an unique password for each site u are using, based on your standard password.

[RenegadeMan]

The notion that a team must do either marketing/branding or product development is a false dichotomy. Some responses to the "let's do branding" position seem to be taking an either/or approach which is not necessary.

Those who feel marketing/branding is vital are free to work on it without any need for others to stop working on product development.

My own take is that branding/marketing is of relatively little consequence in big picture terms. While many marketing campaigns have been spectacularly effective, marketing efforts cannot prop up a weak product indefinitely (MintChip crypto, Blockbuster). At the other extreme, there are legendary examples of products that rose to the top with little or no marketing (Hershey bars, Napster), and even stellar products with good marketing that failed anyway (Betamax, quadraphonic sound). Those who perceive that marketing is paramount will say the failures needed more marketing and those who perceive that product is paramount will say the failures needed better product. There are no hard science methods to test the relative contribution of the factors.

Regardless - the "other side" - the fiat side - will invest heavily in marketing efforts to discredit crypto in general and DRK in particular once it is on their radar. We cannot possibly beat them in media access, coverage, or any of the other advantages that accrue to established entrenched entities. They will say and do anything they perceive will help preserve their hegemony. Anything. We cannot compete at that level without becoming just like them.

Never wrestle a pig in a mudhole. You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

On the other hand, crypto's potential strength is in nimbleness and product. Crypto is an idea whose time has come. Privacy is an idea that must never be lost.

Heh - a year or so back, the "other side" described BTC in the media as being used "to buy assault rifles stuffed with heroin". We haven't even begun to hear the smears they'll come up with for DRK. Once they gather some momentum, the puerile trolling so far in the forums will seem like the good old days. Product might win but marketing will be buried by the other side, imho.

Pawn to queen four. Mate in seven.        


  

Great points aigeezer. You're absolutely right that we can't compete head-on with traditional marketing (we'd need the entire market cap of crypto and then some to have even a chance!) But we can get clear about what DRK is, why it's important and why anyone should use it and that it's primarily about financial privacy and freedom, up front now to ensure the messaging is consistent. A small amount of clarity now has a great amount of leverage to help avoid confusion in the future.

I've never heard this piece of advice before.

Never wrestle a pig in a mudhole. You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Hilarious!

[salmion]

I just added initial support for DarkCoin to blockparser:

https://github.com/znort987/blockparser

Inside the Makefile, just change from -DBITCOIN to -DDARKCOIN

Not very well tested yet, so YMMV.

Enjoy

Great!

I'm sure el presidente and a few others will be interested in this

[salmion]

The notion that a team must do either marketing/branding or product development is a false dichotomy. Some responses to the "let's do branding" position seem to be taking an either/or approach which is not necessary.

Those who feel marketing/branding is vital are free to work on it without any need for others to stop working on product development.

My own take is that branding/marketing is of relatively little consequence in big picture terms. While many marketing campaigns have been spectacularly effective, marketing efforts cannot prop up a weak product indefinitely (MintChip crypto, Blockbuster). At the other extreme, there are legendary examples of products that rose to the top with little or no marketing (Hershey bars, Napster), and even stellar products with good marketing that failed anyway (Betamax, quadraphonic sound). Those who perceive that marketing is paramount will say the failures needed more marketing and those who perceive that product is paramount will say the failures needed better product. There are no hard science methods to test the relative contribution of the factors.

Regardless - the "other side" - the fiat side - will invest heavily in marketing efforts to discredit crypto in general and DRK in particular once it is on their radar. We cannot possibly beat them in media access, coverage, or any of the other advantages that accrue to established entrenched entities. They will say and do anything they perceive will help preserve their hegemony. Anything. We cannot compete at that level without becoming just like them.

Never wrestle a pig in a mudhole. You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

On the other hand, crypto's potential strength is in nimbleness and product. Crypto is an idea whose time has come. Privacy is an idea that must never be lost.

Heh - a year or so back, the "other side" described BTC in the media as being used "to buy assault rifles stuffed with heroin". We haven't even begun to hear the smears they'll come up with for DRK. Once they gather some momentum, the puerile trolling so far in the forums will seem like the good old days. Product might win but marketing will be buried by the other side, imho.

Pawn to queen four. Mate in seven.        


  

Great points aigeezer. You're absolutely right that we can't compete head-on with traditional marketing (we'd need the entire market cap of crypto and then some to have even a chance!) But we can get clear about what DRK is, why it's important and why anyone should use it and that it's primarily about financial privacy and freedom, up front now to ensure the messaging is consistent. A small amount of clarity now has a great amount of leverage to help avoid confusion in the future.

I've never heard this piece of advice before.

Never wrestle a pig in a mudhole. You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Hilarious!

Totally agree with both of you.. don't have the budget or the will to engage in an advertising war. I'm merely talking about creating the "first message", "first impression" advertising.

It's useful. Get more people aboard and provides a point of reference for journalists.

Small goals.

[aigeezer]

I'm merely talking about creating the "first message", "first impression" advertising.

It's useful. Get more people aboard and provides a point of reference for journalists.

Small goals.

Good stuff. Make it so.     

[splawik21]

Whatever exchange you use, make sure you have activated 2FA, if you have trouble with it, dont leave ANY coins on ANY exchange.

i had trouble with my 2FA so i got it disabled, but i didnt take out my coins as soon as cryptsy had disabled it, and in less than 24 hours, i had lost my 131 drk.

Since i have 2FA on my gmail, they could not just withdraw, so what they did instead was trade all my coins to GDC and sold it to another account...

So, Please remember, USE 2FA AT ALL TIMES! and if not, make sure you dont have any coins ANYWHERE else but your wallet (with backup of your wallet.dat)

Can I ask you
1) how complicated your pw was?
2) whether you reused the pw on other websites?

I am using 10 characters long unique pw - would you say I still need the 2FA? How could anyone compromise my account?

ALWAYS USE 2FA !!!

Once some service, pool, exchange is hacked and you had an account there (login pass is known) your public addr can be tracked (if not DS+) to exchanges and the hacker tries...some4times there is nothing can get but sometimes there is.

Use different password for different services, at least 18 characters+numbers

USE 2FA

The combination of these is impossible to get into your account.

[Ignition75]

The notion that a team must do either marketing/branding or product development is a false dichotomy. Some responses to the "let's do branding" position seem to be taking an either/or approach which is not necessary.

Those who feel marketing/branding is vital are free to work on it without any need for others to stop working on product development.

My own take is that branding/marketing is of relatively little consequence in big picture terms. While many marketing campaigns have been spectacularly effective, marketing efforts cannot prop up a weak product indefinitely (MintChip crypto, Blockbuster). At the other extreme, there are legendary examples of products that rose to the top with little or no marketing (Hershey bars, Napster), and even stellar products with good marketing that failed anyway (Betamax, quadraphonic sound). Those who perceive that marketing is paramount will say the failures needed more marketing and those who perceive that product is paramount will say the failures needed better product. There are no hard science methods to test the relative contribution of the factors.

Regardless - the "other side" - the fiat side - will invest heavily in marketing efforts to discredit crypto in general and DRK in particular once it is on their radar. We cannot possibly beat them in media access, coverage, or any of the other advantages that accrue to established entrenched entities. They will say and do anything they perceive will help preserve their hegemony. Anything. We cannot compete at that level without becoming just like them.

Never wrestle a pig in a mudhole. You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

On the other hand, crypto's potential strength is in nimbleness and product. Crypto is an idea whose time has come. Privacy is an idea that must never be lost.

Heh - a year or so back, the "other side" described BTC in the media as being used "to buy assault rifles stuffed with heroin". We haven't even begun to hear the smears they'll come up with for DRK. Once they gather some momentum, the puerile trolling so far in the forums will seem like the good old days. Product might win but marketing will be buried by the other side, imho.

Pawn to queen four. Mate in seven.        


  

Great points aigeezer. You're absolutely right that we can't compete head-on with traditional marketing (we'd need the entire market cap of crypto and then some to have even a chance!) But we can get clear about what DRK is, why it's important and why anyone should use it and that it's primarily about financial privacy and freedom, up front now to ensure the messaging is consistent. A small amount of clarity now has a great amount of leverage to help avoid confusion in the future.

I've never heard this piece of advice before.

Never wrestle a pig in a mudhole. You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

Hilarious!

Another aspect to think about lads.  Who's our customer base?

Are we worried about mainstream?  BTC will service mainstream whilst DRK can handle the private market.

It was discussed here the other day, 1% of 1% of the worlds cash transactions will put enough zero's after this project to see the price exceed most expectations...

[pookielax31]

Oversold... To much Resistance at 754... RSI downturn.... Set you buy orders at 580-640  Make more coins on the climb!!!!

[stonehedge]

Oversold... To much Resistance at 754... RSI downturn.... Set you buy orders at 580-640  Make more coins on the climb!!!!

Just as the USA is waking up, going to work, checking their emails and checking for news on DRK.

[sharkbyte093]

How is this First anonymous coin? Confused. Aren't all crypto currencies anonymous?

No. Bitcoin is pseudonymous, which means you can trace the coins from address to address. You might not know the identity of the address-owners but it's a lot easier to figure out when you can track exactly where the coins go. You can't do that with Darkcoin as you can't trace the path of the coins.

[salmion]

Bump!

Latest update from Evan - RC4 and Darksend+ working, Kristov Atlas Review, Open Source and DarkTor Announcement - Amazing

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/development-update-august-19-2014.2086/

[pookielax31]

See how all those EMA bands are coming together....



that means in a few days we will have real fun  

[thelonecrouton]

Funnel 10% of MN fees to Save the Children, OXFAM, whatever. I'll sign up now. Let's see the media tackle that.

"Darkcoin! OMG isn't that illegal?"
"No, actually we raise shitloads of money for starving children."