[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread

[salsacz]

TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300

[Juzion]

TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300

No i have 2 stakes but i have read the refunding list thread ... and that´s are only the guys who make it stupid...
I´m only invested before in bitcoins since 2 years but not a trader, i´m a collector  
I say it... we will see it if the coins are distributet to each account possible there are 500 Accounts...we will see.
At this moment i bought another 50000 Coin2 and for 2 days 200000 Nxt.

@ salasz next month i visit prag and than we can talk about it with 2 or 3  Staropramen 

[pabloangello]

Just when I thought things were slowing down and we were going to  have less alt coins this week (March 30 tp April 5) we had 20 coin launched. http://www.altcoincalendar.info/calendar

I wonder when it's all going to slow down.

I tend to try and look at them all in the same light, as legitimate trying to build something, but look at how complicated and involved this Nem project is, yet these other coins are as easy as copy and paste.

It will slow down eventually. I think it already started. People will be less and less interested in new clones.

[okaynow]

hi guys.

i have an account with 99designs, along with a couple of other services like that.

But there have been many preliminary submissions from interested parties in here, that should not be dismissed.
There was a logo contest announced and stakes have been reserved for the winners, has this changed?

Apart from that, in these forums there are many talented members.

EDIT-
Also, i dont want to be much of a pain, but it should not need pointing out that there should be one submission per member in the contest.
There are already many people with lots of submissions, they should have a chance to choose themselves one
to submit in a competition for the rest to choose from.

Multiple members are making multiple versions, we should not allow one to enter with more than one submission.

[nxtvisa]

NEM: the 2015 King - best developers- best innovation - best vision - best community

+++++++ 

+1000   

[patmast3r]

anyone knows, how the logo committee is doing?

We have narrowed the list down to only a couple. Right now there's a discussion if we should have contest on 99design.com or not.

What are the reasons holding you back from using 99design? It'd be nice to have the extra choice, surely?

The question is do we really need it.

[patmast3r]

hi guys.

i have an account with 99designs, along with a couple of other services like that.

But there have been many preliminary submissions from interested parties in here, that should not be dismissed.
There was a logo contest announced and stakes have been reserved for the winners, has this changed?

Apart from that, in these forums there are many talented members.

EDIT-
Also, i dont want to be much of a pain, but it should not need pointing out that there should be one submission per member in the contest.
There are already many people with lots of submissions, they should have a chance to choose themselves one
to submit in a competition for the rest to choose from.

Multiple members are making multiple versions, we should not allow one to enter with more than one submission.

All the submission that have been made, were taken into account. For now we're eliminated those that we think weren't good enough. We've also elimintage some that infringed copyrights.
Imho everyone should be allowed to submit as many logos as they want. I personaly don't care if someone submits 20 logos if they're all awesome. In the end we want to have a nice professional representative logo and I couldn't care less if it comes from someone that tried 100 times or from someone that only submited one.

[jabo38]

I know I am a little late to reply here, but I want to go back and clear what I was saying about NEM needing a mobile platform.  I really do believe mobile will be the future of computers and finance.  I think it will be the "primary" device of the normal person, but not the only one.  For sure desktops and notebooks and servers and supercomputers will of course still exist. 

After reading more about M-Pesa for a different post, I think that this helps to prove the point.  Here is the chart of M-Pesa verses bitcoin.  Both are digital platforms for transferring money. 



This chart clearly shows what it means to be adapted.  M-Pesa is winning, bitcoin simply isn't.  At this rate, who knows how long before bitcoin "goes to the moon".

Bitcoin just isn't cutting it, and I am guessing won't ever get the job done.  It is too slow and too difficult to use.  M-Pesa is as simple as sending a text.  Banking on the go.  I would really love to see NEM be as easy as M-Pesa at transferring money.  That is part of the reason why I am willing to give part of my stake as a bounty for a mobile app developer.  I believe in it that much. 

I think the most important thing in NEM's long term future is getting businesses to accept it and people to spend it.  If the community agrees that is important, it seems like some things need to be met first.  Excellent and easy to use clients, an exchange of fiat to NEM, and trust in NEM. 

I am not sure but it seems like M-Pesa was originally or still is backed by mobile prepaid airtime minutes.  So the minutes acted as a gold standard for the M-Pesa units.  People knew that at anytime they could just use the M-Pesa on their phones to buy airtime if they weren't going to spend it elsewhere.  Those rates were locked in.  Right now bitcoin is backed by USD or RMB or EUR, but it doesn't have to be limited to that.  And unfortunately (or fortunately) bitcoin isn't locked in into anything and that makes investors weary. This is why having an exchange is soooooo important at the start.  (something like a Bitpay/Coinbase combo)  Anyway, I think I am rambling now.  Just some thoughts to think on. 

[utopianfuture]

TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300

Since you have so much to say about NEM distribution. I have a suggestion for you about Nxt distribution. Correct Nxt wiki. It said Nxt has 73 founders which is totally bullshit. There was 73 accounts sending money to BCnext. Some people sent multiple times. Nxt original founders was probably less than 20 people.

[Juzion]

TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300

Since you have so much to say about NEM distribution. I have a suggestion for you about Nxt distribution. Correct Nxt wiki. It said Nxt has 73 founders which is totally bullshit. There was 73 accounts sending money to BCnext. Some people sent multiple times. Nxt original founders was probably less than 20 people.

that´s right but i know people ( 2 ) they have invest 1 dollar for 300000 coins. but the most use multiple accounts that are the very big stakeholders and only 2-3 have cashed out 1/2 of her stake.

Notice: It´s a high risk to invest in Nxt the stakeholder make the price look at the day volume the only reason why nxt is in the top 10 is that the big stakeholders make the price stabil but i also invest yesterday more than 15 BTC to Nxt .. the only reson is the asset exchange.

[utopianfuture]

TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300

No i have 2 stakes but i have read the refunding list thread ... and that´s are only the guys who make it stupid...
I´m only invested before in bitcoins since 2 years but not a trader, i´m a collector  
I say it... we will see it if the coins are distributet to each account possible there are 500 Accounts...we will see.
At this moment i bought another 50000 Coin2 and for 2 days 200000 Nxt.

@ salasz next month i visit prag and than we can talk about it with 2 or 3  Staropramen  

you have only 2 stakes. But you guess that an average stakeholder has 10. Seem contradictory to me? Care to explain why do you think so?
Everyone can buy 1 million bitcoin when it was less than 1 cent if that person is more than 10 year olds. But it does not mean an average 10 year old has 1 million bitcoin.

[jabo38]

Since you have so much to say about NEM distribution. I have a suggestion for you about Nxt distribution. Correct Nxt wiki. It said Nxt has 73 founders which is totally bullshit. There was 73 accounts sending money to BCnext. Some people sent multiple times. Nxt original founders was probably less than 20 people.

I have often wondered about that.  And how many of them helped write the code in the first place or how many of them were friends of BCnext.  All in all, I think it was an honest guy and I really like his vision.  BCnext kind of reminds me of a hippy Satoshi in a way.  But really there is just no way to be sure about the original distribution, or how many trades were stakeholders to stakeholders to build up volume.  With NEM, surely some sockpuppets will slip by, but I think it is safe to say that the original distribution pool will be quite spread out.    

[jluhxd]

I know I am a little late to reply here, but I want to go back and clear what I was saying about NEM needing a mobile platform.  I really do believe mobile will be the future of computers and finance.  I think it will be the "primary" device of the normal person, but not the only one.  For sure desktops and notebooks and servers and supercomputers will of course still exist. 

After reading more about M-Pesa for a different post, I think that this helps to prove the point.  Here is the chart of M-Pesa verses bitcoin.  Both are digital platforms for transferring money. 



This chart clearly shows what it means to be adapted.  M-Pesa is winning, bitcoin simply isn't.  At this rate, who knows how long before bitcoin "goes to the moon".

Bitcoin just isn't cutting it, and I am guessing won't ever get the job done.  It is too slow and too difficult to use.  M-Pesa is as simple as sending a text.  Banking on the go.  I would really love to see NEM be as easy as M-Pesa at transferring money.  That is part of the reason why I am willing to give part of my stake as a bounty for a mobile app developer.  I believe in it that much. 

I think the most important thing in NEM's long term future is getting businesses to accept it and people to spend it.  If the community agrees that is important, it seems like some things need to be met first.  Excellent and easy to use clients, an exchange of fiat to NEM, and trust in NEM. 

I am not sure but it seems like M-Pesa was originally or still is backed by mobile prepaid airtime minutes.  So the minutes acted as a gold standard for the M-Pesa units.  People knew that at anytime they could just use the M-Pesa on their phones to buy airtime if they weren't going to spend it elsewhere.  Those rates were locked in.  Right now bitcoin is backed by USD or RMB or EUR, but it doesn't have to be limited to that.  And unfortunately (or fortunately) bitcoin isn't locked in into anything and that makes investors weary. This is why having an exchange is soooooo important at the start.  (something like a Bitpay/Coinbase combo)  Anyway, I think I am rambling now.  Just some thoughts to think on. 

Serious agree,Mobile Internet is the future trend,It soon turned into a boom.

[patmast3r]

I know I am a little late to reply here, but I want to go back and clear what I was saying about NEM needing a mobile platform.  I really do believe mobile will be the future of computers and finance.  I think it will be the "primary" device of the normal person, but not the only one.  For sure desktops and notebooks and servers and supercomputers will of course still exist. 

After reading more about M-Pesa for a different post, I think that this helps to prove the point.  Here is the chart of M-Pesa verses bitcoin.  Both are digital platforms for transferring money. 



This chart clearly shows what it means to be adapted.  M-Pesa is winning, bitcoin simply isn't.  At this rate, who knows how long before bitcoin "goes to the moon".

Bitcoin just isn't cutting it, and I am guessing won't ever get the job done.  It is too slow and too difficult to use.  M-Pesa is as simple as sending a text.  Banking on the go.  I would really love to see NEM be as easy as M-Pesa at transferring money.  That is part of the reason why I am willing to give part of my stake as a bounty for a mobile app developer.  I believe in it that much. 

I think the most important thing in NEM's long term future is getting businesses to accept it and people to spend it.  If the community agrees that is important, it seems like some things need to be met first.  Excellent and easy to use clients, an exchange of fiat to NEM, and trust in NEM. 

I am not sure but it seems like M-Pesa was originally or still is backed by mobile prepaid airtime minutes.  So the minutes acted as a gold standard for the M-Pesa units.  People knew that at anytime they could just use the M-Pesa on their phones to buy airtime if they weren't going to spend it elsewhere.  Those rates were locked in.  Right now bitcoin is backed by USD or RMB or EUR, but it doesn't have to be limited to that.  And unfortunately (or fortunately) bitcoin isn't locked in into anything and that makes investors weary. This is why having an exchange is soooooo important at the start.  (something like a Bitpay/Coinbase combo)  Anyway, I think I am rambling now.  Just some thoughts to think on. 

There's no doubt then NEM will need a mobile platform at some point i just think we're not there yet and right now we need to focus on geting NEM to that point.

[Juzion]

TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300

No i have 2 stakes but i have read the refunding list thread ... and that´s are only the guys who make it stupid...
I´m only invested before in bitcoins since 2 years but not a trader, i´m a collector  
I say it... we will see it if the coins are distributet to each account possible there are 500 Accounts...we will see.
At this moment i bought another 50000 Coin2 and for 2 days 200000 Nxt.

@ salasz next month i visit prag and than we can talk about it with 2 or 3  Staropramen  

you have only 2 stakes. But you guess that an average stakeholder has 10. Seem contradictory to me? Care to explain why do you think so?
Everyone can buy 1 million bitcoin when it was less than 1 cent if that person is more than 10 year olds. But it does not mean an average 10 year old has 1 million bitcoin.

because I 've watched the entire registration phase . I've watched the refunding discussion . those are only small fish have been caught there.
What about the deposit at the beginning about dgex ... BTER ... vircurex that the people are but they were smart , the can not catch you .
Or the people without which they had to pay at the beginning of what I have just told you , the veteran member all have multiple accounts !

But me and that it's just what bothers me a Coin adorns itself as fair.

NEM is not fair, but it can be good!
And that is the reason why I follow NEM .

NEM can be something big without it must adorn themselves with fairly. You know how people will talk about it later and take the FAIR apart.

I have my 2 stakes but am only later joined because I 've been thinking if I want it at all.
I also did not Germany Coin chosen even if there is the FREE , I think it sucks.

I opt only for what I think it is useful. I take nothing free I 'll take it consciously .

[jabo38]

There's no doubt then NEM will need a mobile platform at some point i just think we're not there yet and right now we need to focus on geting NEM to that point.

Hahaha, so true.  At first we need a real NEM! That does involve many thing before mobile can be made.  Even though I can't read code, I believe the developers are really working hard though. 

[Fatih87SK]

@Salsacz; The more you are bitching about NEM here, the more people here will believe that NXT has failed or is afraid of NEM.

If you are doing nothing here to promote NEM you are no different than Emule @NXT.
We are on the same boat here. You are looking for evangelists, try to be one for yourself once.

Investigate how NEM is doing his work and learn from it to do it better for example.

I'm saying this because I care about both NXT and NEM

And don't worry about people here trolling NXT. They don't know what they're sayin'.

[utopianfuture]

TauMuon: Juzion owns 4 stakes, he said it. So he thinks, others can have even more - 10 stakes - so the number is 3000/10=300

No i have 2 stakes but i have read the refunding list thread ... and that´s are only the guys who make it stupid...
I´m only invested before in bitcoins since 2 years but not a trader, i´m a collector  
I say it... we will see it if the coins are distributet to each account possible there are 500 Accounts...we will see.
At this moment i bought another 50000 Coin2 and for 2 days 200000 Nxt.

@ salasz next month i visit prag and than we can talk about it with 2 or 3  Staropramen  

you have only 2 stakes. But you guess that an average stakeholder has 10. Seem contradictory to me? Care to explain why do you think so?
Everyone can buy 1 million bitcoin when it was less than 1 cent if that person is more than 10 year olds. But it does not mean an average 10 year old has 1 million bitcoin.

because I 've watched the entire registration phase . I've watched the refunding discussion . those are only small fish have been caught there.
What about the deposit at the beginning about dgex ... BTER ... vircurex that the people are but they were smart , the can not catch you .
Or the people without which they had to pay at the beginning of what I have just told you , the veteran member all have multiple accounts !

But me and that it's just what bothers me a Coin adorns itself as fair.

NEM is not fair, but it can be good!
And that is the reason why I follow NEM .

NEM can be something big without it must adorn themselves with fairly. You know how people will talk about it later and take the FAIR apart.

I have my 2 stakes but am only later joined because I 've been thinking if I want it at all.
I also did not Germany Coin chosen even if there is the FREE , I think it sucks.

I opt only for what I think it is useful. I take nothing free I 'll take it consciously .

I still did not see anything other than you are saying it is possible. It was possible to invest 2 BTC in Nxt and got 100 million Nxt from original distribution. It was possible to buy 1 million Bitcoin at some point too. I knew about Bitcoin in 2010 when I did a research about different form of currency. I had quite a big amount of saving back then too. By your logic, I would be a Bitcoin multi-millionaire by now. It was possible is different from what was actually being done. Maybe you want to put some more thought on this distinction before making any speculation.

The debate about fairness is such meaningless discussion that I don't intend to enter ever. What should be discussed are developers, innovations, and community. The spread of 3000 stakeholders first of all is about to build a strong and big community. We would be successful if we manage to do that.

[j23a]

I'm impressed! This threat is full of interesting discussion and good spirit!
Our main strength: this community!!!

I've followed a few coins some as a miner, some as an investor, but NEM certainly appears to be different. UP has put together a strong team and has created a strong vision, allowing people to get behind the movement. The number and diversity of stakeholders and the way it has been done is very open and impressive. Finally the open audit and handling of complaints, queries, ideas has been very warm and professional.

KC

Yes, these I have felt. From this thing, I think NEM has huge development potential in the market will occupy a large proportion

I recently read a very interesting post about somebody who spent sometime to study and analyse NXT.  One interesting conclusion was that there were just under 1000 core NXT users.  As very impressive as NXT is for its new tech, and it is very impressive (or will be when all those promises are delivered on).  The community as a whole isn't backing it.  The story behind NEM, has a lot more marketing strength.  NEM on day one will already have a much larger user base than NXT and can quite possibly explode from there.  NEM is literally the first time ever something like this has been done in the crypto cummunity.  EVERY previous coin was dominated by large investors or early powerful miners.  This may or may not be good for NEM, we will have to wait and see, but I am willing to try hard and see because I believe it is a better way.  Bitcoin's story is "an experiment that turned out quite interesting and as time went on went from being a fluke to the real deal."  NXT's story is "A guy made a really good code and 70 lucky friends and community members got in on it" (this isn't exactly true, but it will always be told like that).  NEM has a chance to rewrite its own narrative.  A group of thousands of people came together to create a new and better to deal with money, not just for themselves, but for everyone in the world.

I think there are not more of 300 NEM Users... the rest are sockpuppets! don´t make u unserious .... i do not like that everyone means there are thousands of NEM Stakeholers and all the people know it!

The stakeholder's list has 1,090 Bitcoin talk veteran accounts, how can you speculate that there are no more than 300 Nem stakeholders?

Then you have to consider that many of those veterans also tried to get other people that they know to join Nem, seeing it as a big opportunity, also consider this crypto guy with a large twitter following who mentioned the fund raising in his twitter account as well as those who mentioned it in Reddit and other major social media, and the people who browse the site but don't comment, but joined to get a stake.

Then you also have to consider the I think 200+ open slots, and the 20 page waiting list that's still growing, with the rules being much stricter and Utopianfuture focusing only on people who can significantly contribute to Nem.

300 stake holder just doesn't make sense, unless it's wishful thinking on your part.

300 is total bs. If someone wants to mock NEM for not being fair at least use som realistic numbers that don't make you look like a total moron that just talks without doing any research. kthxbey.

Exactly.

I think he probably realized that 300 is too low of a number after I told him that there are 1,090 Bitcointalk veteran stakeholders. So rather than somewhat admitting that he was off, he now rather argue that every member has four Bitcoinalk accounts. It's too much taking things out of thin air and saying them with authority. That's a personality flaw.

[chanc3r]

I am not sure but it seems like M-Pesa was originally or still is backed by mobile prepaid airtime minutes.  So the minutes acted as a gold standard for the M-Pesa units.  People knew that at anytime they could just use the M-Pesa on their phones to buy airtime if they weren't going to spend it elsewhere. 

M-Pesa is not backed by mobile minutes - for every KSH in M-Pesa there is a real KSH in the bank.