Bitcoin Miners

[Searing]

Thought you said you called them and cts and the same person answered. Man this really does suck, sorry. Don't let greed trick you into hasty decisions.

pretty sophisitcated scam they rented part of the bldg of CMS a legit chip maker and the phone number called was 1 digit off from CMS.....same group that did www.butterflyiabs.com clone site a couple months ago and imho likely same group they did the frostbite 1TH miner this last summer.....imho this is organized crime big time operatoin imho

again hopefully they can trace somethingfrom the miner equip the bought with the proceeds and these guys can at least get some of that at the worst if not btc
don't see why not....they surely are not gonna be at the address this miner equip shows up at...not with fraud reports in the UK and USA etc...

anyway probably the only redress possible is proof to antminer and the rest and they re-direct the miner shipments at least to legit people burnt vs when they prove the asic trail on the bitcoin paid was tainted

anyway I think this was less greed then trying to get in on a KNC type early deal...ie advantage yes....greed not so much imho.

Searing

[Phoenix1969]

RickJames...
I think you may have read we called CTS and CMS,yes. Easy to mix those up. But although Maui was able to speak with "Rebecca" at CTS, CMS had a machine on. Later, when CTS's machine was on, we heard a similar message. I was never able to contact CMS until just recent.

[Gamer67]

Thought you said you called them and cts and the same person answered. Man this really does suck, sorry. Don't let greed trick you into hasty decisions.

pretty sophisitcated scam they rented part of the bldg of CMS a legit chip maker and the phone number called was 1 digit off from CMS.....same group that did www.butterflyiabs.com clone site a couple months ago and imho likely same group they did the frostbite 1TH miner this last summer.....imho this is organized crime big time operatoin imho

again hopefully they can trace somethingfrom the miner equip the bought with the proceeds and these guys can at least get some of that at the worst if not btc
don't see why not....they surely are not gonna be at the address this miner equip shows up at...not with fraud reports in the UK and USA etc...

anyway probably the only redress possible is proof to antminer and the rest and they re-direct the miner shipments at least to legit people burnt vs when they prove the asic trail on the bitcoin paid was tainted

anyway I think this was less greed then trying to get in on a KNC type early deal...ie advantage yes....greed not so much imho.

Searing

Hang on a minute. You are saying they rented the physical space in the same building of CMS ? Really ?

Seems to me if this is true then that would be a better line of inquiry as someone had to have contact with the alleged perpetrators of this crime. If this is true of course.

That would be the proper line to take to actually get some results by the UK authorities. Which I assume have already been contacted during all of the heavy investigating that has been going on. They have been notified right ?

[Phoenix1969]

Hang on a minute. You are saying they rented the physical space in the same building of CMS ? Really ?

Seems to me if this is true then that would be a better line of inquiry as someone had to have contact with the alleged perpetrators of this crime. If this is true of course.

That would be the proper line to take to actually get some results by the UK authorities. Which I assume have already been contacted during all of the heavy investigating that has been going on. They have been notified right ?

no, all that was BS from "Rebecca"
Looks like the "backend" was in Lithuainia

[Gamer67]

That is not what Searing is saying.

[Searing]

Hang on a minute. You are saying they rented the physical space in the same building of CMS ? Really ?

Seems to me if this is true then that would be a better line of inquiry as someone had to have contact with the alleged perpetrators of this crime. If this is true of course.

That would be the proper line to take to actually get some results by the UK authorities. Which I assume have already been contacted during all of the heavy investigating that has been going on. They have been notified right ?

no, all that was BS from "Rebecca"

ok i stand corrected on the building...still a pretty good trick on the phone number being the same but 1 digit off...to look like an extension of CMS...not as hard to do thou

anyone know anyone that used their other site (was in the same history ip as www.ctsminer.com) www.butterflyiabs.com ? how much did they get on that scam site? was warned about that one on BFL fourms..wonder how much they got?

(man with no morals I could make a lot of scratch doing this stuff)

sigh

Searing

[Phoenix1969]

Thats a good point, we need to track what phone company, etc...  ug
another possible lead...  That was a really good trick getting that number

[studio1one]

Without wanting to be a doom monger I think the chances of catching these scum is pretty slim. They could be in any country, and will no doubt have used proxies / Tor network for everything they did and used Virtual Credit Cards / gift cards.

Of course that is no reason to not keep at them and try to uncover everything possible. I wish you all the best and hope they have left a chink somewhere because no doubt they will have done this before and will try again.

[Gamer67]

Without wanting to be a doom monger I think the chances of catching these scum is pretty slim. They could be in any country, and will no doubt have used proxies / Tor network for everything they did and used Virtual Credit Cards / gift cards.

Of course that is no reason to not keep at them and try to uncover everything possible. I wish you all the best and hope they have left a chink somewhere because no doubt they will have done this before and will try again.

I am not too sure about that. They seemed to be pretty inept at covering their tracks when tumbling the coins. Also ordering miners from the very forums they used to help in the scam is either very brazen or very stupid, probably both.

[AussiePete]

jwhitlaw

I voutch for Phoenix .........he is truthful , well meaning, smart , and able to make  mistakes just like all of us ......................again I know of at least 3 others who will voutch for him ...........so please double check with the group before bad mouthing some one who has respect here ............it only makes us more likely not to help you when you need it  

[Phoenix1969]

Without wanting to be a doom monger I think the chances of catching these scum is pretty slim. They could be in any country, and will no doubt have used proxies / Tor network for everything they did and used Virtual Credit Cards / gift cards.

Of course that is no reason to not keep at them and try to uncover everything possible. I wish you all the best and hope they have left a chink somewhere because no doubt they will have done this before and will try again.

I am not too sure about that. They seemed to be pretty inept at covering their tracks when tumbling the coins. Also ordering miners from the very forums they used to help in the scam is either very brazen or very stupid, probably both.

thanks rascal... hopefully he can help...  thx peetie too... 

Someone mentioned earlier that they had somehow traced the btc to buying antminers, I'm not too good at the blockchain sleuthing, but if we can nail the time & amount, we might be able to get antminer to help out with a shipping address.

[Gamer67]

Without wanting to be a doom monger I think the chances of catching these scum is pretty slim. They could be in any country, and will no doubt have used proxies / Tor network for everything they did and used Virtual Credit Cards / gift cards.

Of course that is no reason to not keep at them and try to uncover everything possible. I wish you all the best and hope they have left a chink somewhere because no doubt they will have done this before and will try again.

I am not too sure about that. They seemed to be pretty inept at covering their tracks when tumbling the coins. Also ordering miners from the very forums they used to help in the scam is either very brazen or very stupid, probably both.

thanks rascal... hopefully he can help...  thx pete

Someone mentioned earlier that they had somehow traced the btc to buying antminers, I'm not too good at the blockchain sleuthing, but if we can nail the time & amount, we might be able to get antminer to help out with a shipping address.

It was 'The Observer' and your brother said he PM'ed him earlier....  He traced it by the BTC addresses paid to Sushi.

[studio1one]

Without wanting to be a doom monger I think the chances of catching these scum is pretty slim. They could be in any country, and will no doubt have used proxies / Tor network for everything they did and used Virtual Credit Cards / gift cards.

Of course that is no reason to not keep at them and try to uncover everything possible. I wish you all the best and hope they have left a chink somewhere because no doubt they will have done this before and will try again.

I am not too sure about that. They seemed to be pretty inept at covering their tracks when tumbling the coins. Also ordering miners from the very forums they used to help in the scam is either very brazen or very stupid, probably both.

IMO this is the most likely route to a positive resolution. If the seller of the machines can verify the address the goods payment from the wallet address were sent to then it is a massive hit

[Phoenix1969]

Gamer67...  okay, thanks, I missed that

Avenger...  You were spot-on. I appreciate and respect you, even if we don't get along all the time. Thanks.

studione... right..   Thx will certainly try

[AussiePete]

Thought you said you called them and cts and the same person answered. Man this really does suck, sorry. Don't let greed trick you into hasty decisions.

you didnt THINK it, you READ it, just like the rest of us did!!

he's a liar!!

he 'may' not be involved directly in this scam, but that doesnt change the fact that he lies & lies & lies, and even goes back and changes shit he lied about to appear more honest or less dishonest.

DO NOT TRUST!!!

and especially do not trust the 'lets open a security firm' bullshit, that is misdirection aka smoke & mirrors!!

LIARS will ALWAYS go above & beyond what is required to 'prove' their honesty!

DO NOT TRUST!!

...

Dear Edgar

Have you any relations called Mario ..........He was a complete  Tosser  too , just like you ...Actualy I think you are a bit better than him ............Yes , I think you have just been crowned the biggest Wanker on this planet ...............There's been 4 people so far stand up for Phoenix that I have read ...............but none where you are concerned .......why is that Huh

because your a HATER ...................you dont help , you push people down , you spit on people and redicule those you dont understand .............

Normally I ignore idiots like you , but sometimes we need to stand up against such bullshit .............if more people would , there would be less dictators causing others hurt .......

.........if I am wrong ............let others sing your praise ........show me any of your posts you encourage some one .........maybe Im blind , but Ive never seen one ..........

Try being kind or encouraging............or just Fuck Off and annoy another group 

[de_ixie]

Shit - two weeks out for holiday and now ... this   

Good luck everybody 

[studio1one]

Gamer67...  okay, thanks, I missed that

Avenger...  You were spot-on. I appreciate and respect you, even if we don't get along all the time. Thanks.

studione... right..   Thx will certainly try

The seller was Sushi. Observer was the one who traced the wallet address through blockchain. You may want to contact Observer, get the wallet address and then pass it on to Sushi, if this hasn't already been done.

[Phoenix1969]

Gamer67...  okay, thanks, I missed that

Avenger...  You were spot-on. I appreciate and respect you, even if we don't get along all the time. Thanks.

studione... right..   Thx will certainly try

The seller was Sushi. Observer was the one who traced the wallet address through blockchain. You may want to contact Observer, get the wallet address and then pass it on to Sushi, if this hasn't already been done.

done, thx

[F9F0F]

jwhitlaw

I voutch for Phoenix .........he is truthful , well meaning, smart , and able to make  mistakes just like all of us ......................again I know of at least 3 others who will voutch for him ...........so please double check with the group before bad mouthing some one who has respect here ............it only makes us more likely not to help you when you need it  

And to blindly believe a man word based on his history isnt exacly smart either. There are plenty of example of so called "trustworthy", "respectable" and "honest" that as gone rogue. 

[Searing]

jwhitlaw

I voutch for Phoenix .........he is truthful , well meaning, smart , and able to make  mistakes just like all of us ......................again I know of at least 3 others who will voutch for him ...........so please double check with the group before bad mouthing some one who has respect here ............it only makes us more likely not to help you when you need it  

And to blindly believe a man word based on his history isnt exacly smart either. There are plenty of example of so called "trustworthy", "respectable" and "honest" that as gone rogue. 

well then shoot my reputatoin too down while you are at it......

I vouch for Phoenix1969.....knc vouched for him when he helped them......

but than again I'm probably talking to /ignore after the 1st 2 lines

Searing