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[brammien]

Yes I wanted to do a public pump...not one behind closed doors that only benefit the few privy to be in the "room". I wanted to do a public pump. But for argument sake you are right. I am a bad man for wanting to do a pump. So the fact I wanted to do a public pump negates the fact the did do a private pump that hurt thousands of people?

Get your pom poms, lube, and get in line....

I did not support your PUMP - NOW I SEE WHY I AM ON YOUR LIST!!!!!

I do not believe that it gives the right image for the coin. BlackCoin is a $10m coin, to make it rise above shitcoin status means this coin cannot be PUMP and DUMP. So I am GLAD I did not support YOUR PUMP.

I want REAL investors for this coin. This is how we will surpass dogecoin and move towards litecoin.

IconicExpert - this coin is gonna have a hard time rising with you screwing up this thread every few days with your totally crazy and paranoid like conspiracy theories. This quicker you QUIT or just HOLD and let the community do the work, the better.

I not only did not support his pump but was, far and above, the most outspoken and acerbic critic of the idea... and yet, he did not included me in the list of accused...

Colin I don't know if you are part of "The Group" or part of the group that rushed to grab the land of "The Foundation". I know that you have an extraordinary interest if getting funds for this proposed "Foundation" for no reason at all (in the words of Soepkip, you guys -I include you, on assumption only- have been acting at the foundation from day one. So why would you need to the "The BlackCoin Foundation", when you effectively could have continued doing exactly what you propose to do under the foundation umbrella, just like you were doing before. Why? Sounded like a good idea at the time? Nobody came with the idea that perhaps it wouldn't be ethical that the destiny of the Coin would be in the hands of a few investors? Were you aware of the at least 5 Pumps and counting and the people involved in them? Are you now aware of who the proposed board of the proposed foundation are? (this seems to be changing like a game of musical chairs as we speak...) Are you aware that Soepkip admits to just being a modest miner who owns just over 100,000 BC and cashes in every once in a while "just to pay the rent"?

If I am correct in my deductions, you are included in IE's list because a buddy of yours (or The Group" if you are not part of it, has let him know that you are  indeed involved in the conspiracy. Since he has no permission to do so, IE will not reveal who the informer is... but I firmly believe that we will find out soon enough. He/she may have and deliver the proof you are so repeatedly asking for and pretending it didn't exist. If that's the case, you may find very hard to justify your position, your "generosity" and the repeated questioning. So why don't we start by you answering clearly those questions on the above paragraph? Oh and have I said that if you feel IE's has libeled you, it'll cost much less than $5k that you are so "generously" donating, to get his ass in a New York Court? You see, this may be the Wild West, but libel here is still a serious and punishable legal offense.

Just in case the idea hadn't crossed your mind...

There is no information for IconicExpert to post. Can I be bothered to burden myself with some loser on a public forum in a court 3,000 miles away? Can I be bothered with the hassle? Not really. I've got better things to do with my time.

But, i've personally put a lot of time and effort in to this coin. It's a travesty someone can try to destroy it just by typing up some accusation with absolutely no proof whatsoever to back it up.

The questions in the first paragraph, Colin...

Who were involved in the first 4 pumps? As far as I know there was a lot of Twitter pump, hype, paired with Radiostatic's pool.

The 5th pump was mostly Chinese.

Thank you maarx for, selectively, answering on Colin's name. But since you seem to be the guy who knows all about the proposed foundation (at least your are the one that has me more confused with the constant musical chairs) AND the "group of investors" that were going to be the Foundation-but-are-not-going-to-be-no-more, and that I understood were the ones behind those 5 pumps, including the "mostly Chinese" one, why don't you answer all of them? Is or was Colin one of the group?
Is he going to be a member of the board of the proposed foundation? Oh I know "99% of all these questions are going to be answered by the website" but I am more interested in the other 1% if you don't mind much. Is Soepkip now in or out? The Doge posted the only him and Rat4 from the devs team would be part of the Foundation, is that on still or off?

Please feel free to add anything beyond the strict answers that you may consider valuable.

Thanks!

Soepkip is in the foundation, he finally told me this today in IRC.

<@Soepkip> brammien: i am in the foundation 3rd time i answer
[21:28] <+brammien> he got here first, and that's his only claim to his postion
[21:28] <@Soepkip> brammien: i am not in the investor group.

So, he's fuzzy on what the difference is. I heard there is no foundation, then there is, then it's a group of investors, story keeps changing. We have a great coin here, and we just need these guys to step down and let others fill there shoes. I've heard from pm's also, some things sound shady.

[MuffinMaster]

Soepkip is in the foundation, he finally told me this today in IRC.

<@Soepkip> brammien: i am in the foundation 3rd time i answer
[21:28] <+brammien> he got here first, and that's his only claim to his postion
[21:28] <@Soepkip> brammien: i am not in the investor group.

So, he's fuzzy on what the difference is. I heard there is no foundation, then there is, then it's a group of investors, story keeps changing. We have a great coin here, and we just need these guys to step down and let others fill there shoes. I've heard from pm's also, some things sound shady.

[19:40] <MegaMuffin> brammien People Use To Ask Me What Do You Wanna Be When You Get Older And I Would Say What A Stupid Question The Real Question Is What Am I Right Now
[19:41] <+brammien> i'm talking with wizfarm and then leaving, so just back off.
[19:41] <MegaMuffin> brammien Education Is Rebellion. School Is The Tool To Brainwash The Youth.
[19:49] <MegaMuffin> brammien Once You Understand How This World Works Living In It Becomes Much Easier.

why didn't you answer ?

[Ximp]

The End Is Near. The Flouride IS IN OUR WATER. GMOs are EVERYWHERE.

[tat123]

The End Is Near. The Flouride IS IN OUR WATER. GMOs are EVERYWHERE.

You forgot the chemtrails.

[barabbas]

This is sadly kind of funny, really.

The game of musical chairs seem to continue ("the dev will not be in but almost for sure as an advisor", one minute, "the dev will not only be in but will have to approve of the rest of the board", the next...)

And, slowly but surely, the cloak and dagger schemes coming to light: There IS an organized investment group operating in the background and closely linked if not controlled by one or more smooth operators of the dev team. There IS in "buying on dips" scheme when buying with the proceeds from the Poll (why wouldn't it be if they are killing several birds with the same stone, i.e.: dumping (carefully) their millions of coins and buying back on dips they control and create: No risks there). Can the group have an approximate holding number more or less exactly 7.5 million coins... just to make Iconic's "wild accusations" completely exact? I am going to bet that that is -or was as of yesterday- the exact number than this organized group controls. And since I am on a betting mood, I am going to also bet that the DOGE IS indeed part and parcel, the key one, that controls this group. Keeping on the betting mood, I am going to also bet that we are going to find out, very, very soon, the rest of the players, identities, wallets (some of them, not all of course) and all. Interesting to wait and see.

Oh and there IS a massive land grab rush that has already taken place (save for a couple of musical chairs still to be assigned), because, quite frankly, IconicExpert steered the pot, not only demanded a plan but came with one on his own -wild as it was (the guy can be quite wild), it WAS a plan-, was getting quite a bit of things done and presented an obvious problem for the "group" that otherwise would have gladly let things evolve they way they were evolving because, frankly, they were evolving extraordinarily well for the group and much better than any average for the sheep investors and newcomers. So IE became a thorn that had to be counter and neutralized with a rushed land grab, official, not  in the shadow, as it was in reality... Ta da: The Foundation.

Now they are selling you, the sheep investors and other ra-ra gallery, the pen of the Foundation purpose and goals... to be carried out, basically, by that very group of investors that want you to see nothing wrong with the controlling group of holders of the coin being also in control of the destiny of the coin. In other words, playing with marked cards... not in other words, in those exact words.  Funny indeed.

Io te saluto, Don Corleone...

[Jabulon]

Strong post.

I will reply about some foundation parts.

1/ We believe that the community needs some direction and guidance. In essence the foundation is nothing new as to what we've been doing, but it is an effort to organise and unite the Blackcoin community.

The foundation will be approved by rat4 or disbanded. It will accept membership by anyone, and any member will have a fair vote. In essence it is an association of some sorts.

Board members will disclose full personal information. We do not intend to "coup" Blackcoin.

2/ The foundation is not a group of investors. We have talked with investors for promotions. When the foundation/ association is founded (it is not yet), the investors will be members, and have an equal stake in any "official project voting" as any other member has.

3/
The Blackcoin Foundation is dedicated to safeguarding the blockchain and is actively supporting developers in order to do so.

Furthermore, the Blackcoin Foundation aims to organise the community's efforts in making Blackcoin a leading globally accepted currency and represents Blackcoin towards the world.

4(5?)/ We are open to suggestions and contributions..

5(6?)/ Agreed. It started poorly by a comment from Gritt. We have not been able to "set it right" since.

Note that some of the above reply / comment / text is still in draft, but the essence of my reply / foundation/association idea is in there.

Look, everyone, what is most critical at this juncture is doing the work. This requires organization. It requires some beginning step in establishing credibility in the eyes of the world. It requires people who are prepared to step up and cooperate with one another. Yes, we are all motivated by self-interest, as individuals and in whatever collectives or 'investment circles' we make ourselves part of. In this wild-west moment of something very new it is to be expected that different small bands would compete and start bickering, in some cases with an absurd degree of self-righteous fury over issues like authority, control of 'the brand', over the available parcels of virtual real-estate in uncharted cryptoland. I am frankly only interested in who is prepared to do what needs doing, and can do it in a coordinated and effective way. It is essential that such people be organized, named, and yes, embraced. We will refine it as we go along. Mistakes will be made and corrected. Bad actors will crop up. This is life.

Regarding the accusations of 'land grab' and 'self-appointed tyrants and usurpers': 99% of this has been either hypocritical horseshit or idle blather from people with way too much time on their hands indulging in the sound of their own voice at great length. Most often it has been a mix of both. The fact is, and again this is inevitable at our stage, when a few people step up and start to organize, other persons, with their own groups and with their own agendas in mind, will be envious. Why? Because in one form or another they would like to wield that power. This will invariably be masked behind all manner of rhetoric, including pseudo-philosophical ravings about decentralization etc., etc. Horseshit. It is all self-interest, masquerading as something else.

Therefore, let us embrace and support the small beginnings of leadership and unity that we have managed to hastily schlock together thus far amid the turmoil of our first 8 or 10 weeks of existence - and let us move forward! We will refine all of it into something much greater in the course of time.

[bitcoin carpenter]

True dat

This coin has been so stable in the lows
With some nice jumps to the highs

All I see is a good investment.
Well as far as crypto go anyways.
Huge upward potential without the massive chance of failure.

Those who like to gamble on panda is coins go elsewhere
Been there done that.

[acseric]

This is sadly kind of funny, really.

The game of musical chairs seem to continue ("the dev will not be in but almost for sure as an advisor", one minute, "the dev will not only be in but will have to approve of the rest of the board", the next...)

And, slowly but surely, the cloak and dagger schemes coming to light: There IS an organized investment group operating in the background and closely linked if not controlled by one or more smooth operators of the dev team. There IS in "buying on dips" scheme when buying with the proceeds from the Poll (why wouldn't it be if they are killing several birds with the same stone, i.e.: dumping (carefully) their millions of coins and buying back on dips they control and create: No risks there). Can the group have an approximate holding number more or less exactly 7.5 million coins... just to make Iconic's "wild accusations" completely exact? I am going to bet that that is -or was as of yesterday- the exact number than this organized group controls. And since I am on a betting mood, I am going to also bet that the DOGE IS indeed part and parcel, the key one, that controls this group. Keeping on the betting mood, I am going to also bet that we are going to find out, very, very soon, the rest of the players, identities, wallets (some of them, not all of course) and all. Interesting to wait and see.

Oh and there IS a massive land grab rush that has already taken place (save for a couple of musical chairs still to be assigned), because, quite frankly, IconicExpert steered the pot, not only demanded a plan but came with one on his own -wild as it was (the guy can be quite wild), it WAS a plan-, was getting quite a bit of things done and presented an obvious problem for the "group" that otherwise would have gladly let things evolve they way they were evolving because, frankly, they were evolving extraordinarily well for the group and much better than any average for the sheep investors and newcomers. So IE became a thorn that had to be counter and neutralized with a rushed land grab, official, not  in the shadow, as it was in reality... Ta da: The Foundation.

Now they are selling you, the sheep investors and other ra-ra gallery, the pen of the Foundation purpose and goals... to be carried out, basically, by that very group of investors that want you to see nothing wrong with the controlling group of holders of the coin being also in control of the destiny of the coin. In other words, playing with marked cards... not in other words, in those exact words.  Funny indeed.

Io te saluto, Don Corleone...

YOWZA!  Barabbas keeps bringing it.  

Needs more cowbell...

[dzimbeck]

...in other news. Blackcoin is still top 10 and the multipool is doing lots of legwork to get 2.0 up and running and they are giving away a 10,000 dollar mining rig and they have hired a PR firm and they are going to wall street to advertise. So yeah. The coin is doing just fine. There is only like 20 different clones now. Almost every new coin that comes out copies BC. The thing that people fail to realize is, this coin is not a p+d there was simply a selloff that scared away some people and all we need to do is continue to make the coin and pool successful.

Simple.

[KryptoKings]

I have been here since the start mining it. It is a fast coin. It has a hellova dev team and community. Always Bet On Black!!!!

[dzimbeck]

another reason for the drop was jealousy. Lots of people scrambled to make their own bc and have tried to copy the model... lol. And they try to delude the people buying it that its somehow unique or something. wc=badgercoin and asia=zimstake and cinni=jealousycoin. Once they tire themselves out they will realize that a copy is never as good as the original.

[Alpharisc]

Sigh. More FUD from you barabbas, and smears backed by nothing any more than your nebulous 'feelings' on the matter.

You 'bet?' well good for you. You're no better than Iconic or anyone else spreading FUD based on innuendo, character attacks and a lack of any actual, verifiable evidence. No matter how many times people counter your garbage with material evidence to the contrary, you continue to make posts backed by nothing more than your than your own spurious assumptions.

barabbas, I bestow upon you the 'Glenn Beck' award for 'truthiness.'

Bluster, conjecture and unfounded 'theories' seem to be your stock in trade. It's amazing you can talk so much, yet provide so little of substance for your claims.

Please, continue to offer your tinfoil 'theories,' everybody else is getting back to real work and actually making positive things happen.

[dzimbeck]

Sigh. More FUD from you barabbas, and smears backed by nothing any more than your nebulous 'feelings' on the matter.

You 'bet?' well good for you. You're no better than Iconic or anyone else spreading FUD based on innuendo, character attacks and a lack of any actual, verifiable evidence. No matter how many times people counter your garbage with material evidence to the contrary, you continue to make posts backed by nothing more than your than your own spurious assumptions.

barabbas, I bestow upon you the 'Glenn Beck' award for 'truthiness.'

Bluster, conjecture and unfounded 'theories' seem to be your stock in trade. It's amazing you can talk so much, yet provide so little of substance for your claims.

Please, continue to offer your tinfoil 'theories,' everybody else is getting back to real work and actually making positive things happen.

yeah too bad we cant design a forum that is filtered by "proof of stupid" lol lots of people here just rambling when all they have to do is spend that energy getting more miners. Regardless man, everyone here needs to quit fighting and limit their posts to be positive and less theorizing.

[Arigard]

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[brammien]

This is sadly kind of funny, really.

The game of musical chairs seem to continue ("the dev will not be in but almost for sure as an advisor", one minute, "the dev will not only be in but will have to approve of the rest of the board", the next...)

And, slowly but surely, the cloak and dagger schemes coming to light: There IS an organized investment group operating in the background and closely linked if not controlled by one or more smooth operators of the dev team. There IS in "buying on dips" scheme when buying with the proceeds from the Poll (why wouldn't it be if they are killing several birds with the same stone, i.e.: dumping (carefully) their millions of coins and buying back on dips they control and create: No risks there). Can the group have an approximate holding number more or less exactly 7.5 million coins... just to make Iconic's "wild accusations" completely exact? I am going to bet that that is -or was as of yesterday- the exact number than this organized group controls. And since I am on a betting mood, I am going to also bet that the DOGE IS indeed part and parcel, the key one, that controls this group. Keeping on the betting mood, I am going to also bet that we are going to find out, very, very soon, the rest of the players, identities, wallets (some of them, not all of course) and all. Interesting to wait and see.

Oh and there IS a massive land grab rush that has already taken place (save for a couple of musical chairs still to be assigned), because, quite frankly, IconicExpert steered the pot, not only demanded a plan but came with one on his own -wild as it was (the guy can be quite wild), it WAS a plan-, was getting quite a bit of things done and presented an obvious problem for the "group" that otherwise would have gladly let things evolve they way they were evolving because, frankly, they were evolving extraordinarily well for the group and much better than any average for the sheep investors and newcomers. So IE became a thorn that had to be counter and neutralized with a rushed land grab, official, not  in the shadow, as it was in reality... Ta da: The Foundation.

Now they are selling you, the sheep investors and other ra-ra gallery, the pen of the Foundation purpose and goals... to be carried out, basically, by that very group of investors that want you to see nothing wrong with the controlling group of holders of the coin being also in control of the destiny of the coin. In other words, playing with marked cards... not in other words, in those exact words.  Funny indeed.

Io te saluto, Don Corleone...

So, like I've been saying, the whole foundation idea needs to end now, and those involved step down so we can move forward and move this coin to next level. Unless we clean house, this coin with so much potential will be tanished reputation. Quite sad, few greedy people that want more than there share, will behind scenes make some short term profits, instead of the profits we could be seeing right now with this coin at record highs and volume.

If you kids in IRC and the DOGE don't step down and let others take over, or matter fact, nobody take over, no foundation. We can all benifit from this coin and move forward. Now, choice is yours. IE outlined a very good plan of action, and I 100% support that plan.

Time to clean house.

[mctaino]

The Foundation is not going away, they were there from the beginning but the name Foundation was not used. It is being formalized with a core purpose and that will be spelled out to all of us in the coming days. Judging by the events that transpired after the radio static fiasco and current pricing that same team has got us to were we are. I won't be biting the hand the feeds me. We could of been a pump and dump coin and we are clearly not that. 

[Cryptoolate]

I would like to thank all members (Maarx, MoriTori, Digicidal, Dzimbeck, Brammien, etc) who have since given courteous and professional responses, while providing more details.  You have electronically restored some of my faith in this community.  More constructive steps need to be taken so I hope that this BC Team and Iconic (and I sincerely hope both) can fulfill their goals and promises, fair and just.    

I encourage members to read all current and impending posts with an open mind.  Be subjective and choose your path, but with neutrality and not to enflame tensions.  It serves in our best interests to be the strongest community in the TOP 10.  

As for the rest of you that continue to post heedlessly without discretion, needing attention like 'The Kardashians', you are only fueling your demise and possible future banning.  You can create new rogue accounts, but are those your attainable goals in life?  I pity you for wasting yours and everyone else's time when you could be making money to accumulate more BC or find a cure for cancer.  Either way, you could've won, but won't.  

Keep in mind, if crypto was to be regulated or laws/protocols to be enforced, they (governments, NSA, IRS) will have the capacity to link wallets to indentities, IP's, traffic, etc. and they can use offenders to be made an example of.  If you think government think tanks haven't already played out this scenario, then you fail to realize that our governments are older than us, will always find a way to make-take money, and will use anyone/anything for a scapegoat.  It would not be beneficial to anyone to have ambitions none other than genuine for BC.  On the other hand, the perceived value of BC could be a game changer so imagine the worth?  You can't stop a few things-the will of people to fight tyranny and oppression, computers, and money/barter.  

So my question to everyone is.......do you want to be on the right side of history, pass this story down to your kids, and be a part of a revolution?

[XbladeX]

So, like I've been saying, the whole foundation idea needs to end now, and those involved step down so we can move forward and move this coin to next level. Unless we clean house, this coin with so much potential will be tanished reputation. Quite sad, few greedy people that want more than there share, will behind scenes make some short term profits, instead of the profits we could be seeing right now with this coin at record highs and volume.

If you kids in IRC and the DOGE don't step down and let others take over, or matter fact, nobody take over, no foundation. We can all benifit from this coin and move forward. Now, choice is yours. IE outlined a very good plan of action, and I 100% support that plan.

Time to clean house.

Tell us what you have done creative for BC ? To show us that any sort of foundation is not necessary
Let me guess ? Nothing ?
"foundation" - is working for free, no one pay them if you don't agree with them make your own second one because you can do it better
there can be 2-3 and more such "foundation" projects if you want start new one will be better for us.

To go higher than NXT  eg. we need to organize some things it can be "foundation" .Later no one will care about foundation like with BTC
but 1st we need to grow more with look at BTC there is so many projects and most of them is not connected with foundation.

[IconicExpert]

This is sadly kind of funny, really.

The game of musical chairs seem to continue ("the dev will not be in but almost for sure as an advisor", one minute, "the dev will not only be in but will have to approve of the rest of the board", the next...)

And, slowly but surely, the cloak and dagger schemes coming to light: There IS an organized investment group operating in the background and closely linked if not controlled by one or more smooth operators of the dev team. There IS in "buying on dips" scheme when buying with the proceeds from the Poll (why wouldn't it be if they are killing several birds with the same stone, i.e.: dumping (carefully) their millions of coins and buying back on dips they control and create: No risks there). Can the group have an approximate holding number more or less exactly 7.5 million coins... just to make Iconic's "wild accusations" completely exact? I am going to bet that that is -or was as of yesterday- the exact number than this organized group controls. And since I am on a betting mood, I am going to also bet that the DOGE IS indeed part and parcel, the key one, that controls this group. Keeping on the betting mood, I am going to also bet that we are going to find out, very, very soon, the rest of the players, identities, wallets (some of them, not all of course) and all. Interesting to wait and see.

Oh and there IS a massive land grab rush that has already taken place (save for a couple of musical chairs still to be assigned), because, quite frankly, IconicExpert steered the pot, not only demanded a plan but came with one on his own -wild as it was (the guy can be quite wild), it WAS a plan-, was getting quite a bit of things done and presented an obvious problem for the "group" that otherwise would have gladly let things evolve they way they were evolving because, frankly, they were evolving extraordinarily well for the group and much better than any average for the sheep investors and newcomers. So IE became a thorn that had to be counter and neutralized with a rushed land grab, official, not  in the shadow, as it was in reality... Ta da: The Foundation.

Now they are selling you, the sheep investors and other ra-ra gallery, the pen of the Foundation purpose and goals... to be carried out, basically, by that very group of investors that want you to see nothing wrong with the controlling group of holders of the coin being also in control of the destiny of the coin. In other words, playing with marked cards... not in other words, in those exact words.  Funny indeed.

Io te saluto, Don Corleone...

So, like I've been saying, the whole foundation idea needs to end now, and those involved step down so we can move forward and move this coin to next level. Unless we clean house, this coin with so much potential will be tanished reputation. Quite sad, few greedy people that want more than there share, will behind scenes make some short term profits, instead of the profits we could be seeing right now with this coin at record highs and volume.

If you kids in IRC and the DOGE don't step down and let others take over, or matter fact, nobody take over, no foundation. We can all benifit from this coin and move forward. Now, choice is yours. IE outlined a very good plan of action, and I 100% support that plan.

Time to clean house.

It doesn't matter what you say or even can prove they do not care. If the people I "accused" came forward and admitted everything I said was true, half the people here wouldn't care. Greed is more powerful than rational thinking and many of the people here are hoping they will become rich from BlackCoin. So they are blinded by the prospects of being rich and throwing all commonsense out of the window. Only one person who is probably my most fierce critic asked the most basic question. What does he have to gain? If I wanted "attention" I could have found a less controversial way of getting attention. If it was control it has already been pointed out no one can solely control BlackCoin. So it seems I would have far more to lose than gain by exposing this scheme. However, the dev team & the foundation personally attacked me over the weekend for two days straight. Why? What do they gain by attacking one person repeatedly for over 2 days? Why am I so "important" that I warrant that much attention. If I am just some "internet scammer" who lies why waste that much energy on me? At that time I didn't accuse them of anything, I just asked two simple questions about the PR firm plan. Why am I such a threat to them? All I am doing is promoting BC so why "hate" me so much? Most rational thinking people would step back and ask themselves that question when greed is not at play, but when greed is at play people just ignore the obvious warning signs. Bernie Madoff was able to con all those people for decades with all the red flags and concerns because people were greedy and he was giving them a great ROI. But when the money party was over everyone wanted to blame him, but in reality they should have blamed themselves.

The people that I named will eventually all turn on each other because that is human nature. Anytime you mix millions of dollars, young men, strangers, and power all together you have a perfect cocktail for self destruction. That cocktail intensifies when you mix in conspiracy to defraud.

And for the record rat4 and SoepKip are not in charge, the "Group" is in charge. SeopKip is just being used like they attempted to use me, but the difference between me and SopKip is I am no ones B.i.ch. Once they get what they want he will be the first one they turn on.

In regards to the DDos attack and my prior knowledge. As I pointed out numerous times I was not involved nor do I condone that kind of behavior. If someone claims they are going to attack someone's server, I am not legally obligated to warn the owners of the server. And why would I? Why would I warn the people that are ripping the community off? So please stop with the BS claims of me committing a crime because I didn't. Besides, I have no way to ascertain if someone threats over the internet are legitimate or not.

Finally, I want to thank everyone who has sent me positive PMs, I sincerely appreciate it. It is comforting to know that some people can take off the blinders of greed and navigate through the BS and see things for what they are.


PS: And for the record prior to me exposing the scheme not once has the dev team or the people I listed from the group ever publicly called me a liar, and with all the dancing back and forth and convoluted explanations they still haven't called me a liar.