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June 21, 2013, 10:31:42 PM
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Here is a screen shot of a duplicate share in progress.  Maybe the "work restart" request is causing it?  I don't recall seeing those while mining with slush.  Or a defect in the software??

Oddly enough...you can clearly see that's a duplicate share.  The same share (6edd8938) was responded to twice in the same second.

Yeah, it certainly is.  I just don't know why it's trying to submit a duplicate.  As I say, I don't recall seeing (duplicate) marked shares with Slush's stratum setup and was just curious if you had any insight.  I have "no-stale-submit" on, so the work restart request isn't necessary for me.  I'm just wondering if it's confused about the work restart request and trying to resubmit.

I just set my queue to zero, I'll reset my stats and see if they go away.

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June 21, 2013, 11:03:53 PM
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Here is a screen shot of a duplicate share in progress.  Maybe the "work restart" request is causing it?  I don't recall seeing those while mining with slush.  Or a defect in the software??

Oddly enough...you can clearly see that's a duplicate share.  The same share (6edd8938) was responded to twice in the same second.

Yeah, it certainly is.  I just don't know why it's trying to submit a duplicate.  As I say, I don't recall seeing (duplicate) marked shares with Slush's stratum setup and was just curious if you had any insight.  I have "no-stale-submit" on, so the work restart request isn't necessary for me.  I'm just wondering if it's confused about the work restart request and trying to resubmit.

I just set my queue to zero, I'll reset my stats and see if they go away.

For what its worth, I've started mining only a few weeks ago (mostly here), and never had
any "dupes"... until the last few days. I also think that the "stale"-Rejects have raised their
rate of occurrence as well.

Maybe some supposedly harmless change now triggers a bug in cgminer(*)?

Anyway, apart from that ugly "reject"-count, how bad are rejects, actually? Do they make me
appear like a "bad guy" who plays some cheap tricks, and/or do I get "punished" for rejected
shares, or can I safely ignore that for now, as long as the number of rejects stays far behind
the number of accepted ones?

PS: *: (cgminer version 3.2.1 on linux here)
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June 21, 2013, 11:08:12 PM
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Here is a screen shot of a duplicate share in progress.  Maybe the "work restart" request is causing it?  I don't recall seeing those while mining with slush.  Or a defect in the software??

Oddly enough...you can clearly see that's a duplicate share.  The same share (6edd8938) was responded to twice in the same second.

Yeah, it certainly is.  I just don't know why it's trying to submit a duplicate.  As I say, I don't recall seeing (duplicate) marked shares with Slush's stratum setup and was just curious if you had any insight.  I have "no-stale-submit" on, so the work restart request isn't necessary for me.  I'm just wondering if it's confused about the work restart request and trying to resubmit.

I just set my queue to zero, I'll reset my stats and see if they go away.

For what its worth, I've started mining only a few weeks ago (mostly here), and never had
any "dupes"... until the last few days. I also think that the "stale"-Rejects have raised their
rate of occurrence as well.

Maybe some supposedly harmless change now triggers a bug in cgminer(*)?

Anyway, apart from that ugly "reject"-count, how bad are rejects, actually? Do they make me
appear like a "bad guy" who plays some cheap tricks, and/or do I get "punished" for rejected
shares, or can I safely ignore that for now, as long as the number of rejects stays far behind
the number of accepted ones?

PS: *: (cgminer version 3.2.1 on linux here)

No, just possibly lowered efficiency, although I don't think cgminer resolved that share when resubmitting.  It just restarted what it was doing which was submitting a share..  based on the time stamp anyway.
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June 21, 2013, 11:16:54 PM
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I've pushed a small update which may fix the duplicate issue.  Try resetting your stats and seeing if they continue to show up.  There was a potential race condition in the namecoin thread which may have triggered work to be sent twice, each one with a work restart (and each one identical).  If your miner was lucky enough to find a share in that fraction of a second, it may have been a duplicate.

This doesn't mean that was the cause of any duplicates you may have seen, unfortunately it's very hard to know exactly what happened on your miner without full debug output.

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June 21, 2013, 11:58:13 PM
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My initial report is it looks better!  Here's the same miner humming along... zero rejects on all!

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cgminer version 3.2.2 - Started: [2013-06-21 15:22:03]
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 (5s):564.3M (avg):555.2Mh/s | A:593  R:0  HW:0  U:7.8/m  WU:7.8/m
 ST: 1  SS: 0  NB: 14  LW: 910  GF: 1  RF: 0
 Connected to stratum.btcguild.com diff 1 with stratum as user
 Block: 0005f928d5281aff...  Diff:19.3M  Started: [16:51:07]  Best share: 4.08K
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 [P]ool management [G]PU management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
 GPU 0:  59.0C 1319RPM | 555.5M/555.7Mh/s | A:594 R:0 HW:0 U: 7.82/m I: 9
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June 22, 2013, 05:55:32 PM
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Minor cosmetic change:  Hall of Fame Rankings no longer show miners that haven't submitted a single share in the last hour, which drastically increased how fast that page loads [and reduced the load of a script, yay!].

Overall the last few days have been very productive at reducing the performance impact of large scripts.  I'm continuing to monitor the DB load and testing page load times at various intervals to see if there's any more time I can shave off before a hardware upgrade is required.

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June 22, 2013, 06:12:10 PM
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Minor cosmetic change:  Hall of Fame Rankings no longer show miners that haven't submitted a single share in the last hour, which drastically increased how fast that page loads [and reduced the load of a script, yay!].

Now if we(I) could only see the page to admire your handiwork.  Smiley

I would have thought that the attacker would have gotten bored by now.

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June 22, 2013, 06:20:39 PM
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Minor cosmetic change:  Hall of Fame Rankings no longer show miners that haven't submitted a single share in the last hour, which drastically increased how fast that page loads [and reduced the load of a script, yay!].

Now if we(I) could only see the page to admire your handiwork.  Smiley

I would have thought that the attacker would have gotten bored by now.

Surprised you would have a problem with Under Attack mode [all my phones/tablets/computers pass the checks].  I did turn it off just now, forgot to do so when I woke up this morning.  Sorry!

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June 22, 2013, 06:45:43 PM
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Minor cosmetic change:  Hall of Fame Rankings no longer show miners that haven't submitted a single share in the last hour, which drastically increased how fast that page loads [and reduced the load of a script, yay!].

Now if we(I) could only see the page to admire your handiwork.  Smiley

I would have thought that the attacker would have gotten bored by now.

Surprised you would have a problem with Under Attack mode [all my phones/tablets/computers pass the checks].  I did turn it off just now, forgot to do so when I woke up this morning.  Sorry!

I guess the page requires java script.  I have that disabled.

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June 23, 2013, 07:20:04 AM
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Minor cosmetic change:  Hall of Fame Rankings no longer show miners that haven't submitted a single share in the last hour, which drastically increased how fast that page loads [and reduced the load of a script, yay!].
Was wondering why i jumped a few spots in my team and was missing members! But it does seem to load faster yes.
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June 23, 2013, 07:01:35 PM
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Whoohoo! Just went over 100,000 shares! Cheesy Let's see whether I can get to a million within a reasonable time frame Wink

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June 23, 2013, 11:54:35 PM
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Whoohoo! Just went over 100,000 shares! Cheesy Let's see whether I can get to a million within a reasonable time frame Wink
How long have you been mining? Or are/were you relay slow?
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June 24, 2013, 12:02:31 AM
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Since I'm growing impatient waiting on my Avalon, BFL is still 9 months behind on pre-orders, and I've lost any desire to trust a new upstart with "pre order" ASICs, I'm starting to consider buying a batch of ASICMINER USB miners, and selling off the excess basically at cost to BTC Guild users in the US that don't want to commit to a full order (minimum is 50 units), and would rather not join in a group buy.

Just out of curiosity, are any of the US-based Guild miners interested?  Price would be 1.01 BTC per ASICMINER USB (~330 MH/s).  That's 0.99 [cost] + 0.02 shipping (possibly 0.03 shipping, but I'm pretty sure First Class USPS with Tracking would be under $2 unless they're heavier than they look).

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June 24, 2013, 12:24:08 AM
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Just out of curiosity, are any of the US-based Guild miners interested?  Price would be 1.01 BTC per ASICMINER USB (~330 MH/s).  

Sure, I'll take 6 more at that price.
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June 24, 2013, 12:26:35 AM
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Merely FYI.

I like this calculator:
http://www.coinish.com/calc/#

With the new cost of 1btc per unit, looks to me like the profit at twelve months will be between -$35 and -$60 USD. (It all depends on your difficulty rate of increase assumption.)

IOWs, you might make back about half of what you paid with twelve months of 100% efficiency mining.

If you start mining on it *today*.
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June 24, 2013, 12:34:10 AM
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Merely FYI.

I like this calculator:
http://www.coinish.com/calc/#

With the new cost of 1btc per unit, looks to me like the profit at twelve months will be between -$35 and -$60 USD. (It all depends on your difficulty rate of increase assumption.)

IOWs, you might make back about half of what you paid with twelve months of 100% efficiency mining.

If you start mining on it *today*.

Well a calculator is a useful tool, but is not reality.  Only time will tell if they are a good deal or not.  Also we have no idea how long they will last, nor what will happen to BTC prices.  I got 2+ years out of my GPU's mining 24/7.  Block Erupters make allot less noise, heat not to mention use allot less electricity.  So I plan on mining these for years, if they last that long.
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June 24, 2013, 12:48:23 AM
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I taking ten at that price.

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June 24, 2013, 12:51:44 AM
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Nothing set in stone yet guys, just trying to gauge interest before I place an order.  I'm mostly interested in them as a way to experiment with ASIC mining [since I bet I'd get them before my Batch 2 ships], as well as be able to help people who have problems setting them up.  However, it looks like I won't have a problem reselling them at reasonable prices with smaller orders.

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June 24, 2013, 01:05:51 AM
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Nothing set in stone yet guys, just trying to gauge interest before I place an order.  I'm mostly interested in them as a way to experiment with ASIC mining [since I bet I'd get them before my Batch 2 ships], as well as be able to help people who have problems setting them up.  However, it looks like I won't have a problem reselling them at reasonable prices with smaller orders.

I've been very happy with CGMiner 3.2.1 on my Win7 mining rig.  I have had trouble with running multiple instances on multiple pools but if I mine them all on one pool everything runs flawlessly.

They are fun to experiment with.  And the blinky lights are very nice Smiley
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June 24, 2013, 02:02:58 AM
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Since I'm growing impatient waiting on my Avalon, BFL is still 9 months behind on pre-orders, and I've lost any desire to trust a new upstart with "pre order" ASICs, I'm starting to consider buying a batch of ASICMINER USB miners, and selling off the excess basically at cost to BTC Guild users in the US that don't want to commit to a full order (minimum is 50 units), and would rather not join in a group buy.

Just out of curiosity, are any of the US-based Guild miners interested?  Price would be 1.01 BTC per ASICMINER USB (~330 MH/s).  That's 0.99 [cost] + 0.02 shipping (possibly 0.03 shipping, but I'm pretty sure First Class USPS with Tracking would be under $2 unless they're heavier than they look).

Huh? I thought they were 1.99 each? Did they lower the price?

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217104.0

Oh my god, I'm fucked. I paid twice as much.
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