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March 21, 2013, 06:54:49 PM
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Ah shoot, thank you for pointing out that the updated PoolServerJ currently on getwork is not forwarding an X-Stratum header.  Time to fix that.



probably something here about the law of unintended consequences..  Smiley

was able to edit poclbm.ini file to get back mining.

2013-03-21 10:31:13: Running command: poclbm.exe zif33rs_1:123@stratum.btcguild.com:3333 --device=0 --platform=0 --verbose -r1 -v -w128 -f60
2013-03-21 10:31:13: Listener for "1" started
2013-03-21 10:31:15: Listener for "1": stratum.btcguild.com:3333 21/03/2013 10:31:15, checking for stratum...
2013-03-21 10:31:15: Listener for "1": stratum.btcguild.com:3333 21/03/2013 10:31:15, started OpenCL miner on platform 0, device 0 (Tahiti)
2013-03-21 10:31:15: Listener for "1": stratum.btcguild.com:3333 21/03/2013 10:31:15, no response to getwork, using as stratum
2013-03-21 10:31:15: Listener for "1": stratum.btcguild.com:3333 21/03/2013 10:31:15, Setting new difficulty: 1
2013-03-21 10:32:08: Running command: poclbm.exe zif33rs_2:123@stratum.btcguild.com:3333 --device=2 --platform=0 --verbose -r1 -v -w128 -f60
2013-03-21 10:32:08: Listener for "2" started
2013-03-21 10:32:10: Listener for "2": stratum.btcguild.com:3333 21/03/2013 10:32:10, checking for stratum...
2013-03-21 10:32:10: Listener for "2": stratum.btcguild.com:3333 21/03/2013 10:32:10, started OpenCL miner on platform 0, device 2 (Devastator)
2013-03-21 10:32:10: Listener for "2": stratum.btcguild.com:3333 21/03/2013 10:32:10, no response to getwork, using as stratum
2013-03-21 10:32:10: Listener for "2": stratum.btcguild.com:3333 21/03/2013 10:32:10, Setting new difficulty: 1

not sure if it was me messing with funky guiminer or what but glad you where able to see a task that you hadnt got to.

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March 21, 2013, 10:18:37 PM
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@eleuthria:
getting back this difficulty thing:
"....3) Right now miners can set a minimum difficulty.  What I was referring to is eventually moving the entire pool to a higher minimum difficulty (probably 4 to start).  This probably won't happen until I can remove getwork from the pool."

Am I reading this right? will my GPU miners be able to accept shares at this difficulty? Is this going to force me to find a different pool? I have ASICs on order but not expected until mid-late summer.
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March 21, 2013, 10:26:22 PM
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@eleuthria:
getting back this difficulty thing:
"....3) Right now miners can set a minimum difficulty.  What I was referring to is eventually moving the entire pool to a higher minimum difficulty (probably 4 to start).  This probably won't happen until I can remove getwork from the pool."

Am I reading this right? will my GPU miners be able to accept shares at this difficulty? Is this going to force me to find a different pool? I have ASICs on order but not expected until mid-late summer.

Running at a higher difficulty (like 4) would not have a significant affect on GPU users.  You'd have more variance, but over the course of a week you would hardly notice.  I'd need to find organofcorti's charts to get a better idea of exactly how much variance it would introduce.  However, it is not a LOSS of income, it is simply increasing the range you will see on any given day.  You're just as likely to see more income as you are to see less income from the variance.

I'm not making any changes yet, and there will be enough warning before it does happen.  BTC Guild has one of the most aggressive vardiff implementations around I believe, and it is extremely quick at moving ASICs into appropriate difficulty levels, which reduces the need to update pool-wide difficulty for non-ASIC miners.

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March 21, 2013, 10:42:23 PM
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no need to prove it or get charts out, I was just worried I would have to switch pools. I want to stay with BTCG, and thanks!
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March 22, 2013, 01:43:28 AM
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However, it is not a LOSS of income, it is simply increasing the range you will see on any given day.
True. In theory.

It depends on luck.

If you're unlucky before a major increase in difficulty and then equally lucky afterwards, you will have a net loss.

And difficulty will be increasing rapidly over the next several adjustments. IMO.

I would welcome oganofcorti to weigh in on that thought.

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Of course, if you are lucky before instead of after, then "the force" is on your side. Smiley
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March 22, 2013, 01:50:10 AM
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However, it is not a LOSS of income, it is simply increasing the range you will see on any given day.
True. In theory.

It depends on luck.

If you're unlucky before a major increase in difficulty and then equally lucky afterwards, you will have a net loss.

And difficulty will be increasing rapidly over the next several adjustments. IMO.

I would welcome oganofcorti to weigh in on that thought.

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Of course, if you are lucky before instead of after, then "the force" is on your side. Smiley

This is true, and is actually why I originally argued that ASICMINER using PPS was a smart move.  However, when referring to share difficulties, it's a different story because you're still doing so many iterations on a GPU that you are likely to drift toward neutral luck in a reasonable time frame.  Assuming a decent GPU (300 MH/s), that's about 1 diff=1 share per 14 seconds.  So a diff 4 share would be about one per minute or 1440 expected diff 4 shares per 24 hours.  That is quite a large sample size, so your percentage drift should be relatively low.  Multiplied over the course of a network difficulty phase, you're highly unlikely to drift far from neutral luck.

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March 22, 2013, 02:19:14 PM
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Is this pool the only pool that works with ASIC?

Wow look at the hashrate,


You effectively have 180x 5 =  900Ghs from the fee.

As the pool get too big, it will be target for DDoS
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March 22, 2013, 02:22:27 PM
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+20THS and rising... +20TH and rising... soon it will be over 51% and all your base will belong to eleutheria!!!111  Cheesy

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March 22, 2013, 03:25:22 PM
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You effectively have 180x 5 =  900Ghs from the fee.


180 what times 5 what? exactly?

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March 22, 2013, 03:35:11 PM
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Is this pool the only pool that works with ASIC?

Wow look at the hashrate,


You effectively have 180x 5 =  900Ghs from the fee.

As the pool get too big, it will be target for DDoS


Half the pool is on PPLNS now, which is a 3% fee (and pays out transaction fees).  Additionally orphans are paid for both PPLNS and PPS, which reduces the effective profit of the pool.  I certainly won't pretend I'm in financial hardship though.  While in the past that was true, the shift to PPLNS acts as an insurance policy, making it virtually impossible the pool can LOSE money over the course of a month, which has certainly happened in the past due to bad luck+PPS.

Obviously many other pools work with ASICs, but for some reason BTC Guild has an extremely large following in China, which has given us a near-monopoly status on the first Avalons to reach customers.  I'm very hopeful that as more units arrive overseas we'll see other pools getting growth and reducing BTC Guild's percentage of the network.  We're already seeing some of that with HHTT and Slush, which bave both seen large growth in the last 2 weeks.

I also believe ASICMINER is about to start putting more units online, and they will likely be putting that speed on OzCoin (they used to split ~66%/33% Guild & OzCoin, but went 100% on Guild after the hard fork event).

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March 22, 2013, 03:52:36 PM
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What are we now(total network strenth), over 55 TH/s now? BTCG is 20 TH/s atm. Just looking at the charts BTCG has stayed roughly around 36%. I think by years end 100 TH/s is a real possibility. That being said as more ASIC's come online and the network hash increases I think it will balance out. My main concern is the unknowns out there not a reputable pool gaining a majority of the network strength.

Do the pools have quick enough communication to "band" together to defend the network from attack? Judging from what happened a few weeks ago I like to think yes. If not some sort of protocol should be implemented.

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March 22, 2013, 03:59:11 PM
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What are we now(total network strenth), over 55 TH/s now? BTCG is 20 TH/s atm. Just looking at the charts BTCG has stayed roughly around 36%. I think by years end 100 TH/s is a real possibility. That being said as more ASIC's come online and the network hash increases I think it will balance out. My main concern is the unknowns out there not a reputable pool gaining a majority of the network strength.

Do the pools have quick enough communication to "band" together to defend the network from attack? Judging from what happened a few weeks ago I like to think yes. If not some sort of protocol should be implemented.

I'm sure pools and developers in a time of crisis could band together if there was an attack on the network.  Unfortunately, the act of doing so brushes heavily against the concepts Bitcoin is based on.  It is a centralized effort.  People were mad that we decided to save the Blockchain during the hard fork, simply because it was a decision made by a relatively small group, even if it's basically impossible to legitimately argue that the decision was the wrong one [Split the network in 2 without notice, or repair the network and put it back together by downgrading, not a hard choice].

However, I doubt that will ever be needed.  The 'Unknown' portion of the network is actually extremely small, only ~10% of the last 2016 blocks: http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/chart.php

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March 22, 2013, 11:15:28 PM
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Pool running stable - Check
Website not running like a amputee tortoise - Check
Wallet not being drained by error in code - Check
Nobody complaining because luck is good - Check


I think for the first time in a few months, the pool is not requiring 24/7 supervision/updates!  Which means we might be able to start having some fun.  In the past, some pools have run contests, generally lottery types for something like a GPU.  I think these days, a GPU seems pretty...pointless, and unfortunately ASICs aren't exactly readily available.  Not to mention it's a pretty loaded competition:  Either you distribute it by hashpower, which puts ASIC owners at a huge advantage, or you do a random draw, which just makes people form multiple accounts.


So how about we look at something more skill based, and probably more fun for everybody involved than a boring raffle?  New poll is up asking what game(s) you'd like to see in a BTC Guild ladder competition.  How spots are decided is not yet finalized, but I'm hoping to let as many people as possible into it.  At the very least, everybody should have a good time!


EDIT:  Dang, apparently you can't add a multi-vote poll to a thread after it has been created, only allowed to make one vote Sad.

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March 23, 2013, 12:00:19 AM
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I vote for Dwarven Fortress

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March 23, 2013, 05:54:25 AM
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I voted other because I have 2 of those 4 and only play LoL and Starcraft 2 so how about since you would have to buy a game anyway some steam credits!  Or you could just purchase a game (up to certain amount) for someone on steam as a gift!

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March 23, 2013, 06:03:44 AM
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If I understand correctly, this isn't about giving away a copy of a game, it's about having some kind of competition (eg. SC2 1v1 ladder) in the chosen game.

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March 23, 2013, 06:19:37 AM
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It probably was not clear since the original post was pushed back a page. Right now the idea is to have an online competition for members. Something mostly for fun but with a few prizes thrown in. I would like to make it something regular if it is well received. At the very least it is a way to get to know some of your fellow miners outside of the Bitcoin environment.  It may even be a long term competition where we can keep an internal ladder/ranking system. It all depends on reception and time available.

This isn't a game giveaway, but asking members which of those games they would enjoy competing in the most.

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March 23, 2013, 06:23:16 AM
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Oops.. so sorry then I vote Starcraft 2... rather then other!

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March 23, 2013, 10:31:10 AM
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I see a payout on my btcguild account for 1BTC  at 2013-03-23 08:58:11 AM
Wondering why I wasn't seeing it in my wallet by now - I look at the 'Transaction Link' for it, and it links to:
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/12039 

Anyone know what this means?



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there seems to be a problem with the pool
i can`t add new wallet adress to my account
it says it is invalid
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