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May 07, 2020, 04:30:19 AM
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BSV is not a fork of BTC.

The funny thing is that you are not even wrong about that. BTC is a fork of Bitcoin.

Then where is the original? A "fork" implies an offshoot was made while the original continued onward.

BCH = hard fork
BSV = hard fork of hard fork
BTC = soft forks only

Satoshi-era builds are somewhat compatible with today's Bitcoin network. However, they are zero percent compatible with BCH and BSV networks.

One could argue that BSV is a fork of Bitcoin as well.

They could argue that but they would be wrong in every aspect.

However, it is the only such that has forked itself back into near compliance with the original definition (i.e. the definitive definition) of the Bitcoin protocol.

This is simply a tired talking point with no technical basis. Looking at the current BSV GitHub repository:

gmaxwell - 144 commits
deadalnix (Sechet) - 766 commits
sepa (Wuille) - 835 commits

Your coin was largely built by Blockstream and Bitcoin Cash devs, and it remains that way.

"BSV is set in stone, until we change it, again."





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May 07, 2020, 07:11:07 AM
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BSV is not a fork of BTC.

The funny thing is that you are not even wrong about that. BTC is a fork of Bitcoin.

Then where is the original? A "fork" implies an offshoot was made while the original continued onward.

BCH = hard fork
BSV = hard fork of hard fork
BTC = soft forks only

Satoshi-era builds are somewhat compatible with today's Bitcoin network. However, they are zero percent compatible with BCH and BSV networks.

One could argue that BSV is a fork of Bitcoin as well.

They could argue that but they would be wrong in every aspect.

However, it is the only such that has forked itself back into near compliance with the original definition (i.e. the definitive definition) of the Bitcoin protocol.

This is simply a tired talking point with no technical basis. Looking at the current BSV GitHub repository:

gmaxwell - 144 commits
deadalnix (Sechet) - 766 commits
sepa (Wuille) - 835 commits

Your coin was largely built by Blockstream and Bitcoin Cash devs, and it remains that way.

"BSV is set in stone, until we change it, again."

btc forked hard away from Origianl BitCoin when 1MB max block size got into the consensus layer - how stupid this was - we all know (Hal managed to convince Satoshi, but Satoshi just agreed, but to lift it just as needed)

capacity parameters should never go into consensus relevant level - only idiots think that s good

many other crap has been invented to btc that has bad purpose as well - so it (legally!) doesnt matter soft or hard


Most compliant still: BSV - nomatter what trolling ya do here

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May 08, 2020, 04:00:56 AM
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BSV is not a fork of BTC.

The funny thing is that you are not even wrong about that. BTC is a fork of Bitcoin.

Then where is the original? A "fork" implies an offshoot was made while the original continued onward.

BCH = hard fork
BSV = hard fork of hard fork
BTC = soft forks only

Satoshi-era builds are somewhat compatible with today's Bitcoin network. However, they are zero percent compatible with BCH and BSV networks.

One could argue that BSV is a fork of Bitcoin as well.

They could argue that but they would be wrong in every aspect.

However, it is the only such that has forked itself back into near compliance with the original definition (i.e. the definitive definition) of the Bitcoin protocol.

This is simply a tired talking point with no technical basis. Looking at the current BSV GitHub repository:

gmaxwell - 144 commits
deadalnix (Sechet) - 766 commits
sepa (Wuille) - 835 commits

Your coin was largely built by Blockstream and Bitcoin Cash devs, and it remains that way.

"BSV is set in stone, until we change it, again."

And you again demonstrate your abysmal ignorance to the fact that a protocol is not the same thing as a software implementation. You seem to parrot this inanity at every opportunity, heaping yet another pile of rightful derision upon your ignorant ass. One might expect that a person with a modicum of intelligence, having this gaping hole in their knowledge pointed out to them repeatedly, would pause to actually learn something about the matter. But no. Not you. No, not you.

FWIW, BTC has indeed endured a hard fork - though it was back in the time before BTC, BCH, and then BSV each went their own respective directions. So it is irrelevant as a differentiator. But you still want to cling to 'soft forks only', don't you? Demonstrating yet another vector of your ignorance.

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May 08, 2020, 04:38:38 AM
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And you again demonstrate your abysmal ignorance to the fact that a protocol is not the same thing as a software implementation. You seem to parrot this inanity at every opportunity, heaping yet another pile of rightful derision upon your ignorant ass. One might expect that a person with a modicum of intelligence, having this gaping hole in their knowledge pointed out to them repeatedly, would pause to actually learn something about the matter. But no. Not you. No, not you.

Congrats on taking 80 words to say nothing at all. You can't generate an actual counter-argument so you harp on some inane semantics that only matter to you. You don't get to decide what the end all, be all code behind Satohi's envisioning of the Bitcoin Protocol entails.

FWIW, BTC has indeed endured a hard fork - though it was back in the time before BTC, BCH, and then BSV each went their own respective directions. So it is irrelevant as a differentiator. But you still want to cling to 'soft forks only', don't you? Demonstrating yet another vector of your ignorance.

This is a straight up lie. But I expect nothing less from those who swallow the talking points of a pathologically lying cult leader without the slightest bit of reservation.

The Bitcoin software from satoshi syncs the current bitcoin chain (well, until it hits a bug with blocks over 500k, but if you fix that it keeps on syncing).

BSV OTOH is full of shitcoin features like the broken oscillating difficulty adjustment. Satoshi's (the real one, not your apparently drug addled maniac pretender) software rejects that stuff with a quickness.





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May 08, 2020, 06:08:54 AM
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These big blocks and the world ready capacity of Original Bitcoin is the reason why so many other fork-supporters are getting triggered / mad and try to tear down BSV

https://twitter.com/brad1121/status/1258158485285433344

13 Mio TX in a single block
33 BitCoin fee !!

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cause that is real long term planning of security coming by PoW (!) / mining - fees getting job done once block rewards vanish more and more by halvenings

Relay-node count is no security - full nodes are miners - do own research and don't listen on segwidiots


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May 08, 2020, 07:27:45 AM
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BSV TO BTC -3.1% not going well for this imposter coin is it?

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May 08, 2020, 07:36:12 AM
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BSV TO BTC -3.1% not going well for this imposter coin is it?

poor bagholder view - again

nobody tells you to hodl, ponzl, specl, segwitl

The Original White Paper is about P2P Cash - USE -

Peer - to - Peer  (no hodl here)


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May 08, 2020, 07:48:06 AM
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BSV is not a fork of BTC.

The funny thing is that you are not even wrong about that. BTC is a fork of Bitcoin.

One could argue that BSV is a fork of Bitcoin as well. However, it is the only such that has forked itself back into near compliance with the original definition (i.e. the definitive definition) of the Bitcoin protocol.

BSV is a fork of BCH
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May 08, 2020, 09:26:05 AM
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BSV is not a fork of BTC.

The funny thing is that you are not even wrong about that. BTC is a fork of Bitcoin.

One could argue that BSV is a fork of Bitcoin as well. However, it is the only such that has forked itself back into near compliance with the original definition (i.e. the definitive definition) of the Bitcoin protocol.

BSV is a fork of BCH

BSV never had segwit

never had CTOR

is just refactored / cleaned out any CoreStream shit (Satoshi never ever wanted such crap - ask Gavin / Hearn)


After research: BSV IS BEST BITCOIN - max compliant - does everything Satoshi wanted it to do

btc is POSMcoin - not bitcoin at all -  that's the funniest fork ever (blocked in the core - no stream left)

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May 08, 2020, 03:10:55 PM
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Fork of BCH.

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Fork of BCH.



nice - included the licence for un-fuckening all that crap

put that all into correct context - you are a hero (on page 100 !!  - oh wait)

https://coingeek.com/bitcoin-history-part-2-we-were-all-big-blockers-except-greg/

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May 08, 2020, 10:17:25 PM
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And you again demonstrate your abysmal ignorance to the fact that a protocol is not the same thing as a software implementation. You seem to parrot this inanity at every opportunity, heaping yet another pile of rightful derision upon your ignorant ass. One might expect that a person with a modicum of intelligence, having this gaping hole in their knowledge pointed out to them repeatedly, would pause to actually learn something about the matter. But no. Not you. No, not you.

Congrats on taking 80 words to say nothing at all. You can't generate an actual counter-argument so you harp on some inane semantics that only matter to you. You don't get to decide what the end all, be all code behind Satohi's envisioning of the Bitcoin Protocol entails.

You keep trying to claim that a protocol is the same thing as a software implementation. You just look stupider and stupider every time you do so.

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FWIW, BTC has indeed endured a hard fork - though it was back in the time before BTC, BCH, and then BSV each went their own respective directions. So it is irrelevant as a differentiator. But you still want to cling to 'soft forks only', don't you? Demonstrating yet another vector of your ignorance.

This is a straight up lie. But I expect nothing less from those who swallow the talking points of a pathologically lying cult leader without the slightest bit of reservation.

You seem to need a refresher. Go look at v 0.8.





Relevance? Zero.

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May 08, 2020, 11:52:05 PM
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And you again demonstrate your abysmal ignorance to the fact that a protocol is not the same thing as a software implementation. You seem to parrot this inanity at every opportunity, heaping yet another pile of rightful derision upon your ignorant ass. One might expect that a person with a modicum of intelligence, having this gaping hole in their knowledge pointed out to them repeatedly, would pause to actually learn something about the matter. But no. Not you. No, not you.

Congrats on taking 80 words to say nothing at all. You can't generate an actual counter-argument so you harp on some inane semantics that only matter to you. You don't get to decide what the end all, be all code behind Satohi's envisioning of the Bitcoin Protocol entails.

You keep trying to claim that a protocol is the same thing as a software implementation. You just look stupider and stupider every time you do so.

Let's say that you are correct about some technical distinctions  - you are deviating into irrelevance because both BCH and BSV are outside of consensus.. and so they are not following the same rules in which bitcoin had evolved into by overwhelming and unambiguous consensus....


So it does not even matter if some of the diptwats working on either BCH or BSV create some features that are more in line with some kind of bitcoin original vision, because that is no longer bitcoin, unless of course, if you can perhaps get some of those features to be added back into bitcoin.. and there is no reason to do that because bitcoin is not broken in any kind of way, even though some of your diptwat bcash variant buddies want to make those kinds of assertions (and assumptions)

Let's say that you and your delusional buddies were able to convince people that segwit needs to be reversed, then seems to me that you are going to need 95% agreement  from bitcoin, or perhaps some lesser amount if there is agreement that a lesser threshold could be needed... So, what are the odds of that happening?  Pretty god-damed low, especially since the longer that segwit exists in bitcoin and is built upon the more likely it just becomes a permanent feature... the same is going to be true for any other feature that you and your fucktwat friends want to get adopted into bitcoin... and in that regard, it has been theorized that you are going to need something like a 10x improvement over bitcoin to even have a fighting chance...

So, what I am saying is that you and your buddies continue to be pie in the sky in so many regards.  You don't even have anything that is close to even a decent product - except for the parts that you free ported from open source bitcoin, so difficult to argue improvements, and the other part would be convincing folks to adopt it... Very many folks, except maybe those who are really new to bitcoin, even buy into the scammy lame propaganda regarding some of the talking points  coming out of the bcash variant camps.

Probably your best chances would be to drop the scammers craig and calvin.. All they are trying to do is to trick people into further forking BSV so that they can get the equivalent of satoshi's coins.,. which craig cannot seem to find keys that he would have supposedly had... yeah right... and then maybe team up with roger to create a new combined coin.  Even roger is less scammy than those two, though he is pretty scammy, too... so maybe you gotta be careful including him...  but anyhow create a new combined coin, and call it bcash - combined forces.  Thereafter try to come up with something innovative, but at least your combined forces might be helpful.. and then maybe start working with the bitcoin folks to see if maybe you could become a sidechain or something like that.  There might be some reasonable way out of your ongoing level of dumb.. without dissolving into something even dumber.. like ethereum.

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May 09, 2020, 11:23:25 AM
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Turns out the scammers are hiding and smearing Satoshi.

Just wonder why their quality was only PoSM and fake news trollings / forgeritis ...

Here the news are public and over courts. Read the original docs...

https://coingeek.com/craig-wright-files-strong-motion-for-summary-judgement-against-ira-kleiman/

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May 11, 2020, 09:57:51 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0A6c5CBIcY

Yes - Shadders is right, BitCoin must give / decentralize opportunities for back everybody on  the planet AGAIN (not buy just speculation / SoV / Ponzi Hodl blabla ..) but of could create reasonable business

ON TOP

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of a

LOCKED DOWN and STABLE PROTOCOL

that helps for anybody to live better, not just the few we encourage by letting still do their hidden agendas (and alter protocol, PoSM,..)


Get rid of the criminals and their agenda to hide, by making things more transparent - BitCoin helps here a lot  IMHO

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May 13, 2020, 02:48:50 AM
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You don't even have anything ... except for the parts that you free ported from open source bitcoin

Well, that''s pretty much true. Bitcoin _worked_ before the people that originally thought it would never work got their hands on it and fuckitated it. SV is very near a faithful de-fuckitated version of the original, complete, protocol.

And hey - look at that - it works.

'The system will collapse if blocks be made larger than kinda-1MB-kinda-4MB' they said.

'Nobody will mine if the market is free to set prices' they said.

Oops - guess 'they' were wrong.

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You don't even have anything ... except for the parts that you free ported from open source bitcoin

Well, that''s pretty much true. Bitcoin _worked_ before the people that originally thought it would never work got their hands on it and fuckitated it. SV is very near a faithful de-fuckitated version of the original, complete, protocol.

Oh gosh.  You are so damned deluded, unless you are faking it.

Holy shit.

At least you admit, that largely Bcash SV is an attempt to go back to the original code and merely to just increase the blocksize limit.

Great experiment, but wholy-the-fuck out of consensus, which merely shows that BSV is a centralized piece of shit that is NOT in consensus with hardly any one except for the small group of designers and leaders.. and sure, you can choose whether to buy that centralized, regressive (with tweaks), out of consensus piece of shit if you want it or not. 

The market has spoken that no one really wants that crap, and the best that any of you BSV bag holders can hope (maybe mostly Calvin) is try to trick others into buying in to the crap in order that they can sell their coins.. and also trying to use that whole coin as a vehicle in which that diptwat scammer, craig, can get a free airdrop of what would have otherwise been satoshi's coins... hopefully your BSV users are not so fucking goddamned stupid as to pump the price of BSV in order that hardforking the BSV code in such a way that craig/calvin can get the keys to those coins when they otherwise don't have the fucking keys because neither is the fraudster satoshi, they don't have any fucking clue who satoshi happens to be, except for knowing that they might have a good opportunity to scam others... Hopefully that piece of shit coin crashes to near zero by the time they fork the coin and give the keys to a million or more coins to craig and calvin... by they way. .. they are not just going to stop at getting satoshi's coin.. what a bunch of deceptive twats you support, you picnic table bear.


And hey - look at that - it works.

Of course it works.  It is open source code that was reviewed by a lot of smart people... just don't try to change very much on your centralized end, because you guys will likely fuck it up.  Maybe you are mostly just removing the block size limit and regressing the coin to something close to bitcoin's original version.. o..k... great.. Probably you are screwing up other things, too, but not too many people care anyhow.  Most people do not care enough to use it or to even attack it because it is hardly worth anything.

'The system will collapse if blocks be made larger than kinda-1MB-kinda-4MB' they said.

No one said that... you diptwat.

You are merely making strawman arguments in order that you can engage in rhetorical funzies.

'Nobody will mine if the market is free to set prices' they said.

Oops - guess 'they' were wrong.

You don't have a lot of hashpower to brag about do you?  Whatever, who cares about that shitcoin, anyhow?  except maybe the scammers want to pump up the price for craig and calvin or they think that they might be able to get rich quick if someone will pump up the coin some more.. and create an illusion that there is any value in that piece of crap coin that hardly has any liquidity and you have to try to get registered on some bumb fuck obscure exchange to even involve yourself in attempting to trade that crap.

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May 13, 2020, 05:02:43 AM
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You don't even have anything ... except for the parts that you free ported from open source bitcoin

Well, that''s pretty much true. Bitcoin _worked_ before the people that originally thought it would never work got their hands on it and fuckitated it. SV is very near a faithful de-fuckitated version of the original, complete, protocol.

At least you admit, that largely Bcash SV is an attempt to go back to the original code and merely to just increase the blocksize limit.

Close. Not quite. An attempt to mostly restore the original _protocol_. Which, by the way, had NO block size limit.

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No one said that... you diptwat.

Bull-fucking-shit. It's one thing to have a differing opinion on relative merits. It is yet another altogether to fabricate revisionist history.

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You don't even have anything ... except for the parts that you free ported from open source bitcoin

Well, that''s pretty much true. Bitcoin _worked_ before the people that originally thought it would never work got their hands on it and fuckitated it. SV is very near a faithful de-fuckitated version of the original, complete, protocol.

At least you admit, that largely Bcash SV is an attempt to go back to the original code and merely to just increase the blocksize limit.

Close. Not quite. An attempt to mostly restore the original _protocol_. Which, by the way, had NO block size limit.

I am glad that you are having fun with that.


'The system will collapse if blocks be made larger than kinda-1MB-kinda-4MB' they said.

No one said that... you diptwat.

Bull-fucking-shit. It's one thing to have a differing opinion on relative merits. It is yet another altogether to fabricate revisionist history.

If you find any legitimate and widely accepted arguments regarding why keeping the blocks small is a good thing, they are not going to be stupid-ass simplified assertions that bitcoin is going to fail but instead they involve trade off attempts at inclusivity and abilities to more easily propagate blocks in a way that is fair so that everyone knows quickly and have mostly fair chances at attempts to find the next block... and other arguments related to those kinds of ideas.

But, in the end, there may be some kind of prominent members that provided superficial statements to BIG blockers that largely were not arguments, but just telling you diptwats to fuck off.. because many people already understand that a lot of the push for BIG blocks and anti-segwit were largely attacks on governance claims that were framed in technical arguments.

I am really glad that you goofballs did not get your way because you would have broken bitcoin through your attempts to make bitcoin easier to change.. is that what you meant by bitcoin will break rebuttals that were made towards your fellow attackers?  You were trying to break bitcoin and trying to break its governance, so surely some people might have said:  "fuck off BIG blocker.  You are just trying to break bitcoin."  I will concede that, and you fucktwats would have deserved such responses.... and try NOT to read too much into them, because in the end, you really were trying to break bitcoin.. but maybe not for the reasons or through the vehicles that you were subterfuging about.

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May 13, 2020, 07:24:27 AM
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Centralized Blockchain / DB : Only a closed set of (contracted / predefined / stake defined)  entities have access control + have governance over the rule set

Not-centralized: everybody can gain access -  e.g. by working to solve a puzzle & enough energy & luck to finally solve it + no other solved that quicker    +  the rules are set in stone, no other can change rules cause contract was fixxed at start




> BSV is best ever not-centralized thing on the planet


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