DefaultTrust changes

[marlboroza]

Techy: "I suggest everyone to include LoyceV to their trust network"
Techy: *removes LoyceV from his trust network*

~

It is because you asked him question he doesn't know the answer/doesn't like or because you agreed with me. I would go with latter.
Account Otto_diesel is DT again 

[LoyceV]

Account Otto_diesel is DT again 

He's been DT for 3 weeks.

[JollyGood]

He has not been active for nearly 5 months but has been DT for the previous 3 weeks?

Surely that in itself shows that something is not working the way it should regarding the way DT is set up.

Account Otto_diesel is DT again 

He's been DT for 3 weeks.

[Vod]

He has not been active for nearly 5 months but has been DT for the previous 3 weeks?

Surely that in itself shows that something is not working the way it should regarding the way DT is set up.

That's by Theymos' design.  DT1 must be active, for they choose DT2.  DT2 just states opinion - their opinion can still be valid if they are not active. 

[suchmoon]

Account Otto_diesel is DT again 

He's been DT for 3 weeks.

That's an interesting plot twist: kicking Blacknavy out of DT1 allowed otto_diesel to get into DT2.

Interesting, I got this instead:

Yeah you're not supposed doubt or question TECSHARE's words, you need to just accept that he's never wrong.

[TECSHARE]

You still don't get it.

The trust system isn't just about trust ratings. DT is about having a good sense of judgment of who uses the trust system correctly. As a matter of fact, all the positive trusts anyone has accumulated over the years demonstrates nothing about their own ability to use the trust system correctly. You haven't exactly had "years of reliable and trustworthy behavior" in that regard.

I have actually. I don't use the trust system as a toy to serve my personal vendettas as you and the other clowns here talking the most shit do on almost a daily basis. Of course if you repeat a lie enough times people just start believing it. This is a flaw in human cognition you take full advantage of. Also as some one who has offered their reputation for sale, I am not sure you are the one to be judging my use of the trust system.

So question: can you understand why I excluded peloso but not Last of the V8s?

I don't think you will get answer to this one

I was really hoping you'd be wrong, but it looks like you're right.

Interesting, I got this instead:

Trust list for: LoyceV (Trust: +27 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (55) 5532 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-06-27_Sat_05.02h)
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LoyceV's judgement is Trusted by:
1. Removed TECSHARE (Trust: +37 / =6 / -2) (913 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

Now I can only guess how TECSHARE thinks Last of the V8s compares to peloso.

(the links to my Trust list viewer don't work yet, this is my preview before going live)

Last of the V8s is doing exactly what peloso is doing, he is just doing it more tactfully. I included you in my trust because you seemed to be more independent minded, but it is becoming more clear over time that you are yet another one who is cultivating this image in order to get your own ticket to the special boys club by throwing your weight behind a few key players. Like I said before, Switzerland is becoming Austria.

If you have proof of someone doing what you're describing (security threat, sockpuppets stripping reputation, obfuscating fraud, etc) you should bring that up and let the trust system do its work. As it stands now you're either making it up or hiding evidence, neither of which is a benefit for the forum or the trust system.

I don't need to prove it with examples. It is a fact. If it is possible to use such arbitrary and subjective standards to push people in and out of control of the trust system, absolutely nothing is stopping con artists from forming a collective of socks and real individuals to use that influence to silence others from speaking out.

We have already seen several examples of users unwilling to come forward because they fear the loss of their justly earned reputation for simply speaking critically of some of the actions of others here. If it is so easy to use such ambiguous and ill defined terms to remove what is so very difficult to earn around here in this sea of fraud, that being trust, then the ease of taking that away from users is itself a liability to the security of this forum.

[JollyGood]

There could be others ways to put DT to better use right? This situation regarding otto_diesel is not appropriate.

He has not been active for nearly 5 months but has been DT for the previous 3 weeks?

Surely that in itself shows that something is not working the way it should regarding the way DT is set up.

That's by Theymos' design.  DT1 must be active, for they choose DT2.  DT2 just states opinion - their opinion can still be valid if they are not active.  

[sirazimuth]

Yeah you're not supposed doubt or question TECSHARE's words, you need to just accept that he's never wrong.

....
I don't need to prove it with examples. It is a fact.... blah blah blah...

Indeed.... us clown car common folk should never question the word of the almighty TECSHARE....

[LoyceMobile]

it is becoming more clear over time that you are yet another one who is cultivating this image in order to get your own ticket to the special boys club

You mean the clown car, right?

If it feels like everyone else is wrong, have you considered your own view might be the problem?

I haven't interacted much with V8, but what I've seen gave me no reason to excluded him. The same goes for you for that matter. If you don't agree with me, you can either try to use arguments, or just ignore the question and blame whatever boys club you think exists. Up to you, see my personal text.

If there's a girls club I can join, let me know!

[hacker1001101001]

it is becoming more clear over time that you are yet another one who is cultivating this image in order to get your own ticket to the special boys club

You mean the clown car, right?

If it feels like everyone else is wrong, have you considered your own view might be the problem?

Cool for you in making all this funny as it doesn't effect you much, but nothing about the clown car is wrong. Any newbie after spending some days around here would gradually get to know what clown car is and under whom they should bow down to keep things running here. It's not about following or breaking rules, but more about how/of whom you suck d**ks here. It's not even as hard as rocket science to understand.

[suchmoon]

I agree, this whole clown car thing is no joke. We need to establish some rules, like who gets to drive it. TECSHARE appointed marlboroza as the chauffeur-in-chief but marlboroza is not even in DT1. Now elk trying to break in with his 5 million merits. Chaos. I call shotgun.

[nutildah]

I haven't interacted much with V8, but what I've seen gave me now reason to excluded him.

Can I ask why that is? I just checked and he hadn't changed his list last week, so I'm curious as to what your rationale is. Perhaps it can be an educational moment if you were to elucidate us.

[Timelord2067]

Last of the V8s is doing exactly what peloso is doing, he is just doing it more tactfully.

*Ahem*

Nice to see you good people have caught up to where I was weeks ago:

Looks like Last of the V8s is trying to emulate Peloso: (Hot on the heels of giving me distrust simply for asking him what his thoughts were in wanting to be a merit font).  Not very trustworthy behaviour.

Remind me why you're on DT?

[suchmoon]

I haven't interacted much with V8, but what I've seen gave me now reason to excluded him.

Can I ask why that is? I just checked and he hadn't changed his list last week, so I'm curious as to what your rationale is. Perhaps it can be an educational moment if you were to elucidate us.

Looks like a typo? ("no" vs "now")

As far as I can tell Loyce did not exclude V8 and it wouldn't make sense in the context.

[LoyceMobile]

Looks like a typo? ("no" vs "now")

You're right. I blame the mobile.

[dragonvslinux]

Looks like a typo? ("no" vs "now")

You're right. I blame the mobile.

Me to 

1. ~hilariousetc (1930 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. ~LoyceMobile (188 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. ~Timelord2o67 (15 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. ~dragonvsandroid (3 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

[LoyceV]

Last of the V8s is doing exactly what peloso is doing, he is just doing it more tactfully.

I haven't seen Last of the V8s do anything like this:

~peloso
A red trusted Merit abuser who's trying a hostile takeover of DT to clear his red trust.
Update May 6, 2020: peloso abused his DT1 powers to shower one (or more) users with negative feedback, while increasing his own Trust score (Trust selfscratching).

Last of the V8s hasn't been on DT1 since August 3, 2019:

Code:

,week:,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76
479624,Last of the V8s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,0,-1,2,2,2,2,2,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Source: DT1-strength of 194 users in 68 weeks / DT1-strength.txt.
He has more than enough inclusions to qualify, and he hasn't been inactive. It's unlikely to lose 11 DT1-lotteries in a row, so that means he's most likely blacklisted from DT1. I don't know if that's by his own choice or by Admin's decision.

1. ~hilariousetc (1930 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. ~LoyceMobile (188 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. ~Timelord2o67 (15 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. ~dragonvsandroid (3 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

You forgot a few:

~theymos_away (Trust: neutral) (26 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
~DarkStar_alt (Trust: neutral) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Cool for you in making all this funny as it doesn't effect you much, but nothing about the clown car is wrong. Any newbie after spending some days around here would gradually get to know what clown car is and under whom they should bow down to keep things running here. It's not about following or breaking rules, but more about how/of whom you suck d**ks here. It's not even as hard as rocket science to understand.

I was a Newbie once too, and this place felt quite scary. You can get negative feedback for the smallest things, without much of a chance to ever correct it. I try not to be like that. The clown car though, I don't really know where that name started, and sucking d**ks isn't something I'm comfortable discussing with a bunch of dudes.

[Timelord2067]

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You're forgetting between week 35 and week 73 LV8 only had nine UID's he trusted, so he was self discounted from eligibility.  (and even then the nine he choose were safe DT1's)

Trust list for: Last of the V8s (Trust: +4 / =0 / -1) (1785 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-09-14_Sat_06.11h)
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Last of the V8s Trusts:
1. Foxpup (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 557 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. philipma1957 (Trust: +25 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (18) 878 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. TMAN (Trust: +27 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (24) 1053 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. hilariousandco (Trust: +20 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (46) 648 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. suchmoon (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (45) 2904 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. nutildah (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1258 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. tmfp (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 448 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. DireWolfM14 (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 743 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. mikeywith (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1164 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

The previous week he removed all sixty from his trust list.

Trust list for: Last of the V8s (Trust: +4 / =0 / -1) (1760 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-09-07_Sat_06.07h)
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Last of the V8s Trusts:

1. Removed theymos (Trust: +25 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (61) 5108 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed -ck (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (188 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed qwk (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (27) 1142 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed Vod (Trust: +28 / =2 / -2) (DT1! (24) 1285 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed vapourminer (Trust: neutral) (226 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed cAPSLOCK (Trust: neutral) (379 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed SaltySpitoon (Trust: +21 / =1 / -1) (942 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed infofront (Trust: neutral) (772 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed jojo69 (Trust: neutral) (828 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed mprep (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 410 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed Dabs (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (163 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed Foxpup (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 550 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed philipma1957 (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (18) 871 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed kingcolex (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (210 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed bitserve (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (518 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed 600watt (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (302 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed TMAN (Trust: +27 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (24) 1053 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed Mitchell (Trust: +37 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (28) 282 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed xhomerx10 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1274 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed minifrij (Trust: +13 / =0 / -1) (170 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed yogg (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (20) 773 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed lightfoot (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (114 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed gentlemand (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (955 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed hilariousandco (Trust: +20 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (46) 646 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed EcuaMobi (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (427 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed mindrust (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (1) 543 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed HairyMaclairy (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (1280 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed Biodom (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (270 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed suchmoon (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (45) 2863 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed Globb0 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (404 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed JayJuanGee (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (3) 943 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed bitebits (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (69 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed nutildah (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1215 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed minerjones (Trust: +97 / =1 / -0) (832 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed tmfp (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 434 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed yahoo62278 (Trust: +14 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (15) 634 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed LFC_Bitcoin (Trust: +11 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1047 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed BTCMILLIONAIRE (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (271 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed bones261 (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 689 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed LoyceV (Trust: +21 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (53) 3540 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed actmyname (Trust: +15 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (21) 730 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed The Pharmacist (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (32) 2079 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed DarkStar_ (Trust: +36 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (27) 971 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed DeathAngel (Trust: neutral) (119 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed Pamoldar (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (325 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed Raja_MBZ (Trust: neutral) (433 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed krogothmanhattan (Trust: +61 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (22) 1203 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed micgoossens (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (4) 2427 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed Steamtyme (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (1065 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed VB1001 (Trust: neutral) (889 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed Veleor (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (14) 797 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed o_e_l_e_o (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (15) 2543 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed chimk (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 588 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed iasenko (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (1189 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed DdmrDdmr (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (17) 2616 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed Kylapoiss (Trust: neutral) (178 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed morvillz7z (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 875 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed fillippone (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 1041 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed DireWolfM14 (Trust: +8 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 700 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. Removed mikeywith (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (1135 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

So his ineleigability was self imposed for 38 weeks.

[LoyceV]

You're forgetting between week 35 and week 73 LV8 only had nine UID's he trusted, so he was self discounted from eligibility.  (and even then the nine he choose were safe DT1's)

I think (but I'm not 100% sure) DefaultTrust is also counted (but not shown). I don't know if he had DefaultTrust on his Trust list though. OldScammerTag also doesn't show up on the Trust data dump, while it may be counted. If that's true, a user with 8 users on his Trust list could still reach DT1.

So his ineleigability was self imposed for 38 weeks.

You may be right though

[Timelord2067]

...
You may be right though

Week 23 he added 37 UID's, (nearly all were DT1 that particular week) the week prior he added seven to take his total up to twenty.

Week 17 LV8 removed 19 UID's and added five (yourself included)

Week 16 and prior there was a mix of DT1/DT2 and non-rated, but from week 17 on-wards, there has been a strong emphasis on including only DT1.  (just click the >> button to watch the abrupt changes over time)