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August 04, 2015, 03:26:32 AM
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Which users on this forum are bcn developers? Do they ever speak?

Ullo is one and yes he does post.


@Ullo, can you direct me to any previous posts or blog's etc where the allegations against bytecoin fraud have been addressed?
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August 04, 2015, 11:23:14 AM
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Which users on this forum are bcn developers? Do they ever speak?

Ullo is one and yes he does post.


@Ullo, can you direct me to any previous posts or blog's etc where the allegations against bytecoin fraud have been addressed?
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Ullo and others have recently helped me understand what the deal is. Pls check my post history.

In short BCN have described the origins of BCN stemming from cooperating groups on the darknets. The is coroborated by the Cryptonote Team. Monero asks for evidence and proof which (unsurprisingly to me) are not provided* given the secretive nature/origins/development of this coin. Contrary to Monero thinking the absence of evidence is not (in this case) evidence of absence.

BCN have already provided the world's first CN coin and today have the best/most sophisticated implementation of a CN coin available.

Whether you believe or not believe is up to you. But trust me on this - there is no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing.
In the meantime I support this incredible tech. Word.

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."
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*it is worth pointing out that there is no evidence (save a BTC blockchain entry) that would even satisfy some Monero devs as things stand. It is also worth noting that some Monerians feel BTC is a scam because of Satoshi's disappearance.

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August 04, 2015, 02:52:28 PM
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In short BCN have described the origins of BCN stemming from cooperating groups on the darknets. The is coroborated by the Cryptonote Team. Monero asks for evidence and proof which (unsurprisingly to me) are not provided* given the secretive nature/origins/development of this coin. Contrary to Monero thinking the absence of evidence is not (in this case) evidence of absence.

It is not Monero who asks for evidence, I am not a Monero holder and would also like to see some evidence to support their arguments. Moreover, I am absolutely sure that most Bytecoin holders would also like to see some kind of evidence.

As long as they don't provide any evidence, the people behind CN/BCN should not be trusted.
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August 04, 2015, 03:33:42 PM
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beside me question as community, how much users BCN, and there is rich-list?
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August 04, 2015, 03:54:07 PM
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In short BCN have described the origins of BCN stemming from cooperating groups on the darknets. The is coroborated by the Cryptonote Team. Monero asks for evidence and proof which (unsurprisingly to me) are not provided* given the secretive nature/origins/development of this coin. Contrary to Monero thinking the absence of evidence is not (in this case) evidence of absence.

It is not Monero who asks for evidence, I am not a Monero holder and would also like to see some evidence to support their arguments. Moreover, I am absolutely sure that most Bytecoin holders would also like to see some kind of evidence.

As long as they don't provide any evidence, the people behind CN/BCN should not be trusted.

I never said you were a Monero holder.

Personally I dont see much diff between BTC and BCN. People can compare the distros of the two (BTC's being more transparent) but in every other regard the origins, creators and motives for creating it remain a complete mystery.

For me the devs here have already turned water into wine and dont need to prove anything. The code they have produced speaks for itself. What evidence would satisfy you by the way?

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August 04, 2015, 03:54:16 PM
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beside me question as community, how much users BCN, and there is rich-list?

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BCN team: 82%+
Everyone else: 18%-
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August 04, 2015, 03:55:58 PM
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beside me question as community, how much users BCN, and there is rich-list?

NO CN coin has a richlist. The distros of every CN coin cannot be established. That's kind of the point, it's anonymous.

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August 04, 2015, 04:21:43 PM
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Personally I dont see much diff between BTC and BCN. People can compare the distros of the two (BTC's being more transparent) but in every other regard the origins, creators and motives for creating it remain a complete mystery.
Bitcoin was announced on a public mailing list, you can still see the archived message sent by Satoshi. Anyone that was aware of it could have mined bitcoin at launch, and it was announced quite some time before the first software release.
Bitcoin is an open ledger, you can still see where the Satoshi coins are stored and if they move, we can't say the same about the 82% coins mined before public release.
Those two things make quite a difference IMHO.

For me the devs here have already turned water into wine and dont need to prove anything.
The code they have produced speaks for itself.
And you where the one speaking about religion a few threads above ?

What evidence would satisfy you by the way?
One evidence.
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August 04, 2015, 04:29:36 PM
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Personally I dont see much diff between BTC and BCN. People can compare the distros of the two (BTC's being more transparent) but in every other regard the origins, creators and motives for creating it remain a complete mystery.
Bitcoin was announced on a public mailing list, you can still see the archived message sent by Satoshi. Anyone that was aware of it could have mined bitcoin at launch, and it was announced quite some time before the first software release.
Bitcoin is an open ledger, you can still see where the Satoshi coins are stored and if they move, we can't say the same about the 82% coins mined before public release.
Those two things make quite a difference IMHO.

For me the devs here have already turned water into wine and dont need to prove anything.
The code they have produced speaks for itself.
And you where the one speaking about religion a few threads above ?

What evidence would satisfy you by the way?
One evidence.

- As I said no difference except for a more transparent launch. Satoshi IS a complete mystery and to say we know ALL his addys seems presumptuous. Besides BTC is pseudo-anonymous and Satoshi would risk revealing himself by spending his BTC. If only he could have done things differently…

- The water/wine was tongue-in-cheek cause of previous comments. I'll replace those words with "they did something facking amazing", which they did.

- ONE evidence? Im sorry could you please be specific?
If you think about it it becomes incrediby hard to imagine what that "evidence" could be. Prob the only satisfying thing would be a BTC blcok entry (dated 2012) which would have been ironic anyway since part of BCN's birth represents a rejection of BTC and the direction BTC was going in.

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August 04, 2015, 04:55:44 PM
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- ONE evidence? Im sorry could you please be specific?
No, this has already been addressed in this thread.
And BTW the people behind this coin have already chosen to stay silent on this topic, so further discussion about this is futile.
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August 04, 2015, 05:29:10 PM
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Fuck me but you're an ignorant nigga. Please don't ever breed. The world needs less fucking retards and you're not helping.

In short BCN have described the origins of BCN stemming from cooperating groups on the darknets. The is coroborated by the Cryptonote Team. Monero asks for evidence and proof which (unsurprisingly to me) are not provided* given the secretive nature/origins/development of this coin. Contrary to Monero thinking the absence of evidence is not (in this case) evidence of absence.

You don't even know if "CryptoNote Team" and "Bytecoin Team" consist of the same one or two people, same way as we don't know if Satoshi Bless-his-heart-nakamoto was one person or multiple. The difference is that the people that can corroborate Bitcoin's launch are a mix of known people, publicly logged sources, and pseudonymous individuals who have been around since long before you started talking shit on Bitcointalk.

BCN have already provided the world's first CN coin and today have the best/most sophisticated implementation of a CN coin available.

Yeah nigga, they provided the reference implementation. That's the only thing they've done well. This new shit they're doing is disinteresting and boring.

And it's ok for a fork to succeed the parent. Here are some examples of projects that were forked, and the people behind the original don't go around bitching about trying to discredit with sockpuppets. Fucking pathetic.

Joomla was forked from Mambo.

X.org was forked from xfree86.

LibreOffice was forked from OpenOffice.

Webkit was forked from KHTML.

OpenBSD was forked from NetBSD.

Maybe most well known, Ubuntu was forked from Debian.

The more you push the more you're going to look like an idiot when investigative reporters start digging, and they find all the dirt on the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam. Get out now and save yourself, fucker.

Whether you believe or not believe is up to you. But trust me on this - there is no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing.
In the meantime I support this incredible tech. Word.

I thought you were an SDC fan? By your argument Shadow is shit and shouldn't be supported because only Bytecoin is the true flag-holder for this technology. That's what you're saying right? That SDC is shit?


*it is worth pointing out that there is no evidence (save a BTC blockchain entry) that would even satisfy some Monero devs as things stand. It is also worth noting that some Monerians feel BTC is a scam because of Satoshi's disappearance.


This is the part where I know you're a fucking moron. Jesus. Link us to the place where 'Monerians' say that BTC is a scam? But more than that, BTC's history is easy to find with fucking Google.

Satoshi's email from 01/11/2008, before Bitcoin's launch and genesis block: http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography%40metzdowd.com/msg09959.html

Satoshi's welcome email to the Bitcoin mailing list on SourceForge from 10/12/2008: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-list/thread/CHILKAT-MID-90b5da14-69c8-c4cb-d124-e88fbecfafd0%40server123/#msg21033408

Satoshi's email from 09/01/2009, announcing the launch of Bitcoin: http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography%40metzdowd.com/msg10142.html

Satoshi's post on the P2P Foundation Forum from 11/02/2009: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-source

Bitcoin.org scrape on archive.org from 31/01/2009: https://web.archive.org/web/20090131115053/http://bitcoin.org/

How about you show us some shit like this from the months leading up to Bytecoin's launch and shortly after it? Oh that's right. You can't because it doesn't fucking exist.
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August 04, 2015, 06:01:37 PM
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beside me question as community, how much users BCN, and there is rich-list?

NO CN coin has a richlist. The distros of every CN coin cannot be established. That's kind of the point, it's anonymous.

Its a premine scam and everyone knows so STFU.
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August 04, 2015, 08:37:51 PM
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In crypto you have to work in worst case scenario, exspecial if anonymity is involved.
The Darkcoin/Dash 2 million dev mine is a blockchain fact and equals to 2000 masternodes.
Masternode payments so far acound for almost 600 created masternodes from masternods makes the devmine worth 2.6 million to date.
Masternodes makes Dash supposing anonymous.
I have no idea how many total masternodes exist, lets just say 3000. 
So 2600 of 3000 is 86.66% of the mixing is done by instamined coins.
Thats not even worst case as no other whale is taken into consideration to be in cahoots, nor coins purchased or mined after the first day.
Even if only 51% of the premined coins provide the masternodes it is a mathematical certainty that over time 90% or more of the mixing is done by the premined coins as they ever generate more than all others together.
As it stands tomorrow a possible 1380 of the total 1600 masternode payment adds to the early coins.
Dash anon claim is a joke.

Bytecoin has better fundamentals to start with, superior tech and ever better mixing percentages.
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August 04, 2015, 09:09:15 PM
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This new shit they're doing is disinteresting and boring.

So what you doin' here nigga?

Its a premine scam and everyone knows so STFU.

No. Theres a diff between "premine scam" and "mined in small circles", which was always the BCN story ffs.

That's what you're saying right? That SDC is shit?

You're a rude idiot. Keep talking, I beg you.

How about you show us some shit like this from the months leading up to Bytecoin's launch and shortly after it? Oh that's right. You can't because it doesn't fucking exist.

archive.org - you trippin? Small groups on the Darknet are there for a reason. Anonymity.

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August 04, 2015, 09:48:37 PM
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This new shit they're doing is disinteresting and boring.

So what you doin' here nigga?

Its a premine scam and everyone knows so STFU.

No. Theres a diff between "premine scam" and "mined in small circles", which was always the BCN story ffs.

That's what you're saying right? That SDC is shit?

You're a rude idiot. Keep talking, I beg you.

How about you show us some shit like this from the months leading up to Bytecoin's launch and shortly after it? Oh that's right. You can't because it doesn't fucking exist.

archive.org - you trippin? Small groups on the Darknet are there for a reason. Anonymity.

Whatever bud, they tried to falsify the history to make it look like its been around for years.  Scam from the start right to the end.
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August 04, 2015, 09:58:01 PM
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Whatever bud, they tried to falsify the history to make it look like its been around for years.  Scam from the start right to the end.

The confused dates on the CN papers mean little I'm afraid. It just adds to the confusion which for the sake of anonymity is desirable.

Look - Im entitled to my opinion as much as you are and Im trying to remain gracious in the face of your insults. Back off.

to the end.

hey bud - as far as this kid is concerned this is just the beginning.

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August 04, 2015, 10:03:14 PM
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beside me question as community, how much users BCN, and there is rich-list?

Rich list:

BCN team: 82%+
Everyone else: 18%-
Cheesy  how interest, i think, i to be 19  Cheesy
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August 04, 2015, 10:18:00 PM
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Whatever bud, they tried to falsify the history to make it look like its been around for years.  Scam from the start right to the end.

The confused dates on the CN papers mean little I'm afraid. It just adds to the confusion which for the sake of anonymity is desirable.

Scammy, dishonest behaviour is good for the sake of anonymity?  You find that desirable?  Well then you are in the wrong thread.  You should head over to the DASH comunity.  They worship those sort of quality values over there.

There is no anonymity there, just centralization.  Big, Big Bag Holding!!
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August 04, 2015, 10:32:27 PM
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Whatever bud, they tried to falsify the history to make it look like its been around for years.  Scam from the start right to the end.

The confused dates on the CN papers mean little I'm afraid. It just adds to the confusion which for the sake of anonymity is desirable.

Scammy, dishonest behaviour is good for the sake of anonymity?  You find that desirable?  Well then you are in the wrong thread.  You should head over to the DASH comunity.  They worship those sort of quality values over there.

There is no anonymity there, just centralization.  Big, Big Bag Holding!!

Oh no, you are quite wrong. The DASH community know me all too well and besides, I'd never be in a club that would have me as a member. Everything about you screams troll and I dont think you're here with open-mind so Im disengaging from you. Bye! Smiley

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August 05, 2015, 12:08:47 AM
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Whatever bud, they tried to falsify the history to make it look like its been around for years.  Scam from the start right to the end.

The confused dates on the CN papers mean little I'm afraid. It just adds to the confusion which for the sake of anonymity is desirable.

Scammy, dishonest behaviour is good for the sake of anonymity?  You find that desirable?  Well then you are in the wrong thread.  You should head over to the DASH comunity.  They worship those sort of quality values over there.

There is no anonymity there, just centralization.  Big, Big Bag Holding!!

Oh no, you are quite wrong. The DASH community know me all too well and besides, I'd never be in a club that would have me as a member. Everything about you screams troll and I dont think you're here with open-mind so Im disengaging from you. Bye! Smiley


Im here for the benefit of the noobs so they don't get scammed by the likes of you, not to try and persuade you which would be a redundant attempt since you already know the truth behind bytecoin.
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