⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[jostorres]

Juventus may be without cups this season. Experienced, but rather aged players cannot compete with other younger players for a long time. Inter in Serie A, Bayern Munich, Atletico Madrid, Liverpool in the Champions League play faster and more aggressive football. Juventus has very little chance against these teams.

Aged players? The Starting XI of Juventus has 2 over 30 players.
We have a younger team than Real, Barca, or Bayern.

Starting line-up for the last match in the Champions League:
Buffon -42,Bonucci - 33,Ronaldo - 35,Cuadrado - 32. And Alex Sandro,Danilo and Ramsey - 29.

In the current Champions League, the youngest team is RB Leipzig (23,8), the elderly Juventus (28).


https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/uefa-champions-league/teilnehmer/pokalwettbewerb/CL

Lol it all depends on who you play as well. Juventus had very young defenders too, but older defenders too, young(er) goalkeeper too, and buffon too. Basically it all depends on the eleven you put on the field, and most teams could put out a very young or a very old team if they want to.

Champions league has a limit, so you can't just bring all the players you have, in the league you can register almost everyone barring some age restriction if they are too young, but aside from that  you could play with 11 players that are 19 years old or younger in the league, all depends on if you ever want to do that, or you can play with 11 players over 28 as well if you have them. I think Juventus is a bit on the older side versus some of the other teams but their main problem is not age, it is more about their system is not fit for Europe, Italian clubs never really had that great offense, usually hard defense, and when hard defense is booked, they just lose.

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[kassex]

Juventus may be without cups this season. Experienced, but rather aged players cannot compete with other younger players for a long time. Inter in Serie A, Bayern Munich, Atletico Madrid, Liverpool in the Champions League play faster and more aggressive football. Juventus has very little chance against these teams.

Aged players? The Starting XI of Juventus has 2 over 30 players.
We have a younger team than Real, Barca, or Bayern.

Starting line-up for the last match in the Champions League:
Buffon -42,Bonucci - 33,Ronaldo - 35,Cuadrado - 32. And Alex Sandro,Danilo and Ramsey - 29.

In the current Champions League, the youngest team is RB Leipzig (23,8), the elderly Juventus (28).


https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/uefa-champions-league/teilnehmer/pokalwettbewerb/CL

Lol it all depends on who you play as well. Juventus had very young defenders too, but older defenders too, young(er) goalkeeper too, and buffon too. Basically it all depends on the eleven you put on the field, and most teams could put out a very young or a very old team if they want to.

Champions league has a limit, so you can't just bring all the players you have, in the league you can register almost everyone barring some age restriction if they are too young, but aside from that  you could play with 11 players that are 19 years old or younger in the league, all depends on if you ever want to do that, or you can play with 11 players over 28 as well if you have them. I think Juventus is a bit on the older side versus some of the other teams but their main problem is not age, it is more about their system is not fit for Europe, Italian clubs never really had that great offense, usually hard defense, and when hard defense is booked, they just lose.

You are right. But older players do not allow playing at high speeds during a match. And in modern football, it is speed and endurance that decides the fate of any match. Juventus can count on its defense, but if the team is not able to carry out rapid counterattacks, then the result of the match will not be favor of Juventus.

[LittleBitFunny]

You are right. But older players do not allow playing at high speeds during a match. And in modern football, it is speed and endurance that decides the fate of any match. Juventus can count on its defense, but if the team is not able to carry out rapid counterattacks, then the result of the match will not be favor of Juventus.

Young players can counter-attack very quickly. But older players are a bit slow. In Seria A, all teams play attacking football. It is very important to make a quick counter attack in the champions league. Although there are many older players at Juventus, everyone's fitness is still great. But in the next few seasons, they will face serious problems if they do not have young talented players in their team.

[jostorres]

older players do not allow playing at high speeds during a match. And in modern football, it is speed and endurance that decides the fate of any match. Juventus can count on its defense, but if the team is not able to carry out rapid counterattacks, then the result of the match will not be favor of Juventus.

I have to say defense was one of the main problems they had when they played Fiorentina for example, because bonucci proved that he is not fast enough and good enough anymore. They could still go with 3 defenders but that is a very difficult strategy against counter attacks, look at Liverpool arguably one of the best teams in the world if not the best, they have not only 4 defenders but they also have people in midfield who plays defensive as well, they just go out and come back as a team.

So, I think Juventus needs younger defenders like Ligt and Demiral to play a bit more strict and they need to get some defensive midfielder to not go out too much or at least come back very quickly and be ready for it. Age makes people slower normally, but it depends on the person as well, bonucci seems way too slow, Ronaldo is still faster than many younger players .

[babo]

Young players can counter-attack very quickly. But older players are a bit slow. In Seria A, all teams play attacking football. It is very important to make a quick counter attack in the champions league. Although there are many older players at Juventus, everyone's fitness is still great. But in the next few seasons, they will face serious problems if they do not have young talented players in their team.

defence football not working

if you are on defense, sooner or later a creative player can always find the world to show off and possibly suffer a foul
and shoot a penality

in reality, Italian football is not aggressive, let's say it is played in the midfield

that is the place where the difference is made, where you throw the attackers and where you break the opponent's attack maneuvers

this is why in recent years we have almost always had a thick midfield and less defense (in the past 4-5 defenders!)

[Juggy777]

Young players can counter-attack very quickly. But older players are a bit slow. In Seria A, all teams play attacking football. It is very important to make a quick counter attack in the champions league. Although there are many older players at Juventus, everyone's fitness is still great. But in the next few seasons, they will face serious problems if they do not have young talented players in their team.

defence football not working

if you are on defense, sooner or later a creative player can always find the world to show off and possibly suffer a foul
and shoot a penality

in reality, Italian football is not aggressive, let's say it is played in the midfield

that is the place where the difference is made, where you throw the attackers and where you break the opponent's attack maneuvers

this is why in recent years we have almost always had a thick midfield and less defense (in the past 4-5 defenders!)

@babo I’ll second that as they win most of their duels in the midfield, and I believe that’s why they’re keen to bring Pogba back in January, though I’m not sure if this transfer will actually happen in January. Lastly if they somehow manage to bring Pogba back in January then I’m pretty sure that they’ll improve massively, because Pirlo knows Pogba in and out and therefore he’ll be able to use his talents wisely.

Sources:

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/transfer-talk/news/juventus-want-gbp50m-paul-pogba-deal-in-january_428120.html

https://www.juvefc.com/andrea-pirlo-dreams-of-paul-pogba-returning-to-juventus/

[babo]

pogba is really strong, i know him.. sell him is a big mistake juventus do

anyway, with this player (pogba) and CR7 above him and 1 serius attacker, all will change

the question is, this works? in theory yes.. but we dont understimate human effect.. Pogba "love" CR7?

see Ibrahimovic for example, not all good player fit with him..

[Shasha80]

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@babo I’ll second that as they win most of their duels in the midfield, and I believe that’s why they’re keen to bring Pogba back in January, though I’m not sure if this transfer will actually happen in January. Lastly if they somehow manage to bring Pogba back in January then I’m pretty sure that they’ll improve massively, because Pirlo knows Pogba in and out and therefore he’ll be able to use his talents wisely.

Bringing Pogba to Juventus was indeed the right decision, because Juventus need experienced players and have good skills like Pogba.
But the problem is Pogba's high transfer price is an obstacle, because Juventus is now not in a good financial condition. So I doubt that
Juventus will succeed in bringing in Pogba in January. Because Real Madrid, which has quite good finances, is interested in bringing in
Pogba as well. I think Pogba is more likely to move to Real Msdrid.

[swogerino]

pogba is really strong, i know him.. sell him is a big mistake juventus do

anyway, with this player (pogba) and CR7 above him and 1 serius attacker, all will change

the question is, this works? in theory yes.. but we dont understimate human effect.. Pogba "love" CR7?

see Ibrahimovic for example, not all good player fit with him..

Juventus was right to bring him in as he helped a lot in their gameplay.However Juventus is still strong without him to win the Serie A but will be a really big minus for Juventus in Champions League as without him they will struggle a lot in the advanced midfield.I exclude already Juventus to win the Champions League this year.

[snipie]

pogba is really strong, i know him.. sell him is a big mistake juventus do

anyway, with this player (pogba) and CR7 above him and 1 serius attacker, all will change

the question is, this works? in theory yes.. but we dont understimate human effect.. Pogba "love" CR7?

see Ibrahimovic for example, not all good player fit with him..

Ibra is kind of narcissist, a good player but hyping himself too much, that is one of his issues which is a characteristic of his personality and some people admire it.. CR7 is different than him. Back in Real Madrid, CR7 was endorsed by Benzema and Bale (in the past), this trio used to be destructive. A good midfielder is always important of course.

[kawetsriyanto]

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Don't forget that player move isn't only about the money. If Pogba doesn't feel interested to move to Real Madrid, the transfer may not happen. I don't think Juventus is in a really bad financial situation. They also can sell their players to have money for buying Pogba. Juventus have many popular players, they can choose the option to sell their players if they are serious to buy Pogba.

[AndySt]

Don't forget that player move isn't only about the money. If Pogba doesn't feel interested to move to Real Madrid, the transfer may not happen. I don't think Juventus is in a really bad financial situation. They also can sell their players to have money for buying Pogba. Juventus have many popular players, they can choose the option to sell their players if they are serious to buy Pogba.

In fact, the whole situation with the transition of Pogba and arose from the reluctance of the player to continue his career Manchester United and the desire to move to another club. Currently, the desire of the player himself has a more significant impact on transfer activity, remember the recent epic with the departure or not of Gareth Bale from Real Madrid. I also believe that Juventus will be able to afford to buy Pogba despite all the financial nuances. Another question is what opinion Pirlo has on this issue, because all these conversations were before his appointment as head coach.

[babo]

Juventus was right to bring him in as he helped a lot in their gameplay.However Juventus is still strong without him to win the Serie A but will be a really big minus for Juventus in Champions League as without him they will struggle a lot in the advanced midfield.I exclude already Juventus to win the Champions League this year.

Yep, i know and i like Pogba. I was very sorry when they sold this very good player.. but the way of money is another. I follow the way of fun.
If a match is funny, i'm very happy.
I dont care if Juventus win or lost, or my beloved team (Atalanta) win or lost, i want only have a fun
if Atalanta win, better..

[tokeweed]

^  I think the 'Pogba to Juve' window has closed.  And with Pogba's recent performances with United, do big clubs really want to pay his huge wages?  I don't think so...  He'll need to do a pay cut.

[asus09]

^  I think the 'Pogba to Juve' window has closed.  And with Pogba's recent performances with United, do big clubs really want to pay his huge wages?  I don't think so...  He'll need to do a pay cut.

There is still a chance for Pogba to return to Juventus, given that Andrea Pirlo really wants Pogba to replenish the Juventus midfield after Pjanic's departure. But in the January transfer market, it is very difficult to be realized considering the financial crisis facing Juventus at this time, maybe waiting for the end of the season transfer market because Juventus want to sell Cristiano Ronaldo and can take advantage to recruit Paul Pogba again.

[sempak]

Another month and then the transfer list ends. Then you could still make transfers in January. I wonder what Messi will do. Maybe to his friend in Paris after all?
what if he do so, then he should not be allowed to play in the CL for PSG?

[marioantonini]

Another month and then the transfer list ends. Then you could still make transfers in January. I wonder what Messi will do. Maybe to his friend in Paris after all?
what if he do so, then he should not be allowed to play in the CL for PSG?

this was an old rule, starting from 2019 it is possible to play in the European cups players who have already played in other teams, purchased in the January market (I don't remember, however, if there is still the limit of 3 players per team).
But I really believe that Messi will end the season with Barcelona, ​​it would not make sense to leave earlier, it would also be a lack of respect for the fans

[babo]

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Ibra is kind of narcissist, a good player but hyping himself too much, that is one of his issues which is a characteristic of his personality and some people admire it.. CR7 is different than him. Back in Real Madrid, CR7 was endorsed by Benzema and Bale (in the past), this trio used to be destructive. A good midfielder is always important of course.

I know, is a narcisist, is violent and extreme rude.. but is strong and honest
i prefer an honest rude and not a guy like Caniggia (Italia 90) -- i hate simulation (for take penalities)

simulation mean you are smart, not strong or good to play football

[asus09]

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Ibra is kind of narcissist, a good player but hyping himself too much, that is one of his issues which is a characteristic of his personality and some people admire it.. CR7 is different than him. Back in Real Madrid, CR7 was endorsed by Benzema and Bale (in the past), this trio used to be destructive. A good midfielder is always important of course.

I know, is a narcisist, is violent and extreme rude.. but is strong and honest
i prefer an honest rude and not a guy like Caniggia (Italia 90) -- i hate simulation (for take penalities)

simulation mean you are smart, not strong or good to play football

The myth of the club that Ibra defended to win the champions league still continues today, of course the results are very bad, especially for AC Milan, which is defended by Ibra at this time, apart from not playing in the Champions League competition, of course with this myth they will fail to become champions in the champions league for as long as there is still ibra in the AC Milan squad, it has happened for Juventus, Barcelona to Inter Milan and even PSG failed to get good results in the champions league when it was strengthened by Ibra.

[masulum]

The myth of the club that Ibra defended to win the champions league still continues today, of course the results are very bad, especially for AC Milan, which is defended by Ibra at this time, apart from not playing in the Champions League competition, of course with this myth they will fail to become champions in the champions league for as long as there is still ibra in the AC Milan squad, it has happened for Juventus, Barcelona to Inter Milan and even PSG failed to get good results in the champions league when it was strengthened by Ibra.

Like it or not, we do have to accept this myth, Ibra is indeed good and always performs optimally in all leagues, its proven in the club where he plays, the clubs can win in the domestic league, ^{(still not sure for Milan this season will have the same fate as before)}. But, for UCL, I don't know what makes this trophy like staying away from Ibra. several times in the big team, could not bring him to win a trophy. When he was with Milan before, I hoped the myth would stop at Milan, but Milan not even going to Final. the only Europa trophy he get is UEL title, that has been achieved by Ibra while with MU.