⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[leea-1334]

In this match, it was Neymar and other players who played a big role. Messi went into the shadows and could not change the situation. At the moment, Neymar is not in Barcelona. And Messi is no longer as strong as a couple of years ago. So if this situation happens again, then Barcelona will not be able to work a miracle.

A bit of nonsensical analysis my friend,,, Neymar was at his peak the same time Messi was together in Barcelona. I can even argue that he lost some of his influence after he left for PSG, because mainly he could not win anything there other than French title (which is not even a given currently).

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If a team is dependent on a specific player, the other players lose confidence in themselves.

Indeed. Other players won't have the confidence and chance to explore their potential in playing. Even worse, the opposing team can be easier to handle Barca attacking because it should focus on Messi only. The defenders of the opposing team only need to stop ball delivery to Messi, then they will have a big chance to win. This weakness seems very egoistic to give the chance to Messi only. It is like Messi only the one who has everything, while other players are just supporters.

Obviously their confidence will be lost if they only focus on Messi, therefore, even though star players still need cooperation with other players, selfishness will not provide opportunities, but only die when there is an attack from an opponent, this is what often happens to Barcelona. Messi's Messi is everything so don't think of such a good player giving the pass to but that would be lost if the situation was still like this in his squad.

[babo]

he is not just a star, let's say he is the symbol of football played with the head and in a refined way rather than with the muscles

it's like talking about maradona, who was very creative in scoring (the famous hand of god)

Messi is similar to maradona

[Iranus]

If a team is dependent on a specific player, the other players lose confidence in themselves.

Indeed. Other players won't have the confidence and chance to explore their potential in playing. Even worse, the opposing team can be easier to handle Barca attacking because it should focus on Messi only. The defenders of the opposing team only need to stop ball delivery to Messi, then they will have a big chance to win. This weakness seems very egoistic to give the chance to Messi only. It is like Messi only the one who has everything, while other players are just supporters.

You're right, the other players are just supporters. If they do not reduce their dependence, the opposition will focus only on Messi. Stopping Messi means beating Barcelona. Every Barcelona's player is as like gems. They are skilled and talented enough. If they play well from their position, their team's performance will be better.

[kassex]

In this match, it was Neymar and other players who played a big role. Messi went into the shadows and could not change the situation. At the moment, Neymar is not in Barcelona. And Messi is no longer as strong as a couple of years ago. So if this situation happens again, then Barcelona will not be able to work a miracle.

A bit of nonsensical analysis my friend,,, Neymar was at his peak the same time Messi was together in Barcelona. I can even argue that he lost some of his influence after he left for PSG, because mainly he could not win anything there other than French title (which is not even a given currently).

For Neymar, this match could be an opportunity to prove to everyone that he is better than Messi and came out of his shadow. Therefore, we may see a better version of Neymar. But he is trammed and it is not known whether he will recover to the game or not. But I wanted to see both teams in better shape to see interesting game.

[AakZaki]

Indeed. Other players won't have the confidence and chance to explore their potential in playing. Even worse, the opposing team can be easier to handle Barca attacking because it should focus on Messi only. The defenders of the opposing team only need to stop ball delivery to Messi, then they will have a big chance to win. This weakness seems very egoistic to give the chance to Messi only. It is like Messi only the one who has everything, while other players are just supporters.

It reminds me of the 2019/20 Champions League quarter-finals held at the Estadio da Luz. Munchen managed to destroy Barcelona with a score of 8-2. In that match Messi really couldn't move freely. They understand very well that Barca depend on messi so they locked him up. Then for the match against PSG, I think if PSG locks up messi I am sure they will win. Moreover, Barca is currently appearing more fragile than last year.

[kawetsriyanto]

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Yep, those are the real examples of negative effects to rely on Messi only. A team should rely on 11 players since they play with 11 people. Not only Munchen and PSG but other teams who can handle Messi well, also have a big chance to win against Barcelona now. I don't know what Barcelona management or the coach wants to Messi, I know he isn't only a superstar there, he is an icon of Barcelona. But in the field, he cannot do everything alone, he cannot play in the top performance forever. 

[AndySt]

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Yep, those are the real examples of negative effects to rely on Messi only. A team should rely on 11 players since they play with 11 people. Not only Munchen and PSG but other teams who can handle Messi well, also have a big chance to win against Barcelona now. I don't know what Barcelona management or the coach wants to Messi, I know he isn't only a superstar there, he is an icon of Barcelona. But in the field, he cannot do everything alone, he cannot play in the top performance forever.  

I agree that it is time for Barcelona to start working out the options for a team game without Messi, because already in some matches it is felt that Leo does not get the former pleasure from the game. Therefore, if Messi still wants to leave the team at the end of the season, then it is not necessary to prevent this, because his actions and victories have earned a respectful and fair attitude to his own person.

[babo]

I agree that it is time for Barcelona to start working out the options for a team game without Messi, because already in some matches it is felt that Leo does not get the former pleasure from the game. Therefore, if Messi still wants to leave the team at the end of the season, then it is not necessary to prevent this, because his actions and victories have earned a respectful and fair attitude to his own person.

is a slow process of de-Messi-fication.. normal
they are now in forming phase of team.. the next phase is storming phase

after normalizing
after performing

is long path, but every team do these steps.. example Juventus
in Italy for example
- Milan
- Atalanta

are in performing phase

and Inter Milan <-- never start to rebuild (because Antonio Conte isnt fired at moment)

[kassex]

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Yep, those are the real examples of negative effects to rely on Messi only. A team should rely on 11 players since they play with 11 people. Not only Munchen and PSG but other teams who can handle Messi well, also have a big chance to win against Barcelona now. I don't know what Barcelona management or the coach wants to Messi, I know he isn't only a superstar there, he is an icon of Barcelona. But in the field, he cannot do everything alone, he cannot play in the top performance forever. 

None of the presidents can afford to let Messi leave. And with him in the roster, you can't build a new team. And his salary is very high, which does not allow attracting new high-class players. Plus Messi is a lot of advertising and, accordingly, a lot of income So Barcelona needs Messi more than Barcelona needs Messi at the moment.

[kawetsriyanto]

So Barcelona needs Messi more than Barcelona needs Messi at the moment.

Are you trying to tell us that Messi is everything for Barcelona? While Barcelona won't get big income without Messi? I don't think Barcelona will go bankrupt if Messi leaves it. I am pretty sure if Barcelona will get another younger top-class player to replace Messi. We know Messi has a big role in Barcelona, but his salary is getting higher and it also becomes a problem there. On the other hand, Barcelona needs a younger player for a better future team. Barcelona cannot rely on Messi forever.

[kassex]

So Barcelona needs Messi more than Barcelona needs Messi at the moment.

Are you trying to tell us that Messi is everything for Barcelona? While Barcelona won't get big income without Messi? I don't think Barcelona will go bankrupt if Messi leaves it. I am pretty sure if Barcelona will get another younger top-class player to replace Messi. We know Messi has a big role in Barcelona, but his salary is getting higher and it also becomes a problem there. On the other hand, Barcelona needs a younger player for a better future team. Barcelona cannot rely on Messi forever.

It is impossible to replace Messi at the moment. There is no second such player in the world. There have been attempts, a lot of money was spent. And if Messi leaves, Barcelona will lose quite a lot of fans. This will lead to a decrease in income. I am not talking about the strength of the team. At the moment. in Barcelona there are two players on which the team's play depends: Messi and Ter Stegen.

[babo]

Messi is impossibile to replace for entire world!
Like we said can be replace Diego Maradona (impossible!!)

I only hope Messi can recover and found peace and play like old-Messi for fun of fans (like me)

We want his magic

[Iranus]

Messi is impossibile to replace for entire world!
Like we said can be replace Diego Maradona (impossible!!)

I only hope Messi can recover and found peace and play like old-Messi for fun of fans (like me)

We want his magic

I totally agree with you. Messi's replacement is never possible. Even if Messi retires from football, the whole world will remember him. We have not forgotten Maradona. We still remember Pele or Zidane. We want to see many more years of Messi's magic.

[StartupAnalyst]

Messi is impossibile to replace for entire world!
Like we said can be replace Diego Maradona (impossible!!)

I only hope Messi can recover and found peace and play like old-Messi for fun of fans (like me)

We want his magic

I totally agree with you. Messi's replacement is never possible. Even if Messi retires from football, the whole world will remember him. We have not forgotten Maradona. We still remember Pele or Zidane. We want to see many more years of Messi's magic.

Messi is a legend. Players like him don't come along very often. And it is clear that few people can become a star like him. But this is Barcelona, I think they can find some player who will go down in history. Although it's not the same Barcelona now. But I'm sure they have someone in the academy who will also become a legend

[tyz]

Messi is impossibile to replace for entire world!
Like we said can be replace Diego Maradona (impossible!!)

I only hope Messi can recover and found peace and play like old-Messi for fun of fans (like me)

We want his magic

I totally agree with you. Messi's replacement is never possible. Even if Messi retires from football, the whole world will remember him. We have not forgotten Maradona. We still remember Pele or Zidane. We want to see many more years of Messi's magic.

Messi is a legend. Players like him don't come along very often. And it is clear that few people can become a star like him. But this is Barcelona, I think they can find some player who will go down in history. Although it's not the same Barcelona now. But I'm sure they have someone in the academy who will also become a legend

That's true. There are many young players which have/had the talend like Messi but they struggled to play on the level for longer time. A current example is Odegaard. A few years ago he was hailed as the next Messi and brought to Real Madrid for a lot of money. He just couldn't prevail, although his talent is clearly evident. Now he is looking for a new club and is in contact with middle class Premier League clubs. Players like Messi who are almost perfect in everything are very, very rare.

[StartupAnalyst]

It seems to me that Barcelona won't beat PSG. Spanish soccer is not as strong now as it was a couple of years ago.  PSG is stronger than Barcelona in my opinion. In general, the German club will probably win the Champions League this year. I won't say which one  Grin

[Wawa2013]

It seems to me that Barcelona won't beat PSG. Spanish soccer is not as strong now as it was a couple of years ago.  PSG is stronger than Barcelona in my opinion. In general, the German club will probably win the Champions League this year. I won't say which one  Grin

I also think the same that it is possible for Barcelona to lose against PSG, especially since Barcelona's performances have been very inconsistent
this season. Even Barcelona failed to win the Super Cup after being defeated by Bilbao. Meanwhile, PSG has a new genius coach, Mauricio
Pochettino, who has succeeded in making Tottenham become a strong team. Moreover, Pochettino now at PSG has players with much better quality
than Tottenham. Should be able to make PSG win the Champions League. Even though winning the Champions League is not easy, have to face
several other strong teams. One of the team you mean is the team from Germany, namely Bayern Munich who will win the Champions League
this year, right?

[StartupAnalyst]

It seems to me that Barcelona won't beat PSG. Spanish soccer is not as strong now as it was a couple of years ago.  PSG is stronger than Barcelona in my opinion. In general, the German club will probably win the Champions League this year. I won't say which one  Grin

I also think the same that it is possible for Barcelona to lose against PSG, especially since Barcelona's performances have been very inconsistent
this season. Even Barcelona failed to win the Super Cup after being defeated by Bilbao. Meanwhile, PSG has a new genius coach, Mauricio
Pochettino, who has succeeded in making Tottenham become a strong team. Moreover, Pochettino now at PSG has players with much better quality
than Tottenham. Should be able to make PSG win the Champions League. Even though winning the Champions League is not easy, have to face
several other strong teams. One of the team you mean is the team from Germany, namely Bayern Munich who will win the Champions League
this year, right?

Yes, I mean Bayern Munich. The club is very strong now, I think they will win the Champions League this year. And in general the German championship is the strongest in my opinion. It was strong even before the coronavirus. But now they are stronger in comparison to others

[babo]

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I totally agree with you. Messi's replacement is never possible. Even if Messi retires from football, the whole world will remember him. We have not forgotten Maradona. We still remember Pele or Zidane. We want to see many more years of Messi's magic.

Yes.. exact!
Messi is one of those players you remember for many years, just like the ones you mentioned: Zidane, Pele, Van Basten, Roberto Baggio, Del Piero .. all very good and unique players.
Players who personally gave me a lot of fun!