⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[babo]

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Do you consider 6th position as 'doing great' by Juve's standards, hell no, they are doing bad, can they still win the league? Definitely they can, they aren't too far off, if other teams lose form and they get theirs back, then they could, but for now they are far from doing great, they are used to winning the league with matches to spare, this season could be different and do not be surprised if they are left to battle for top four close to the end of the season.

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next week Juventus face the first of Italian Serie A (Milan) with strong Ibra
is hard game for Juventus (bettorz said, 3.30 for Juventus win, 3.15 for Milan win... they said Milan is more strong than Juventus)

but is normal, Juventus now is in 'storming' phase after we have 'normalizing' and after 'performing'

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[asus09]

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Do you consider 6th position as 'doing great' by Juve's standards, hell no, they are doing bad, can they still win the league? Definitely they can, they aren't too far off, if other teams lose form and they get theirs back, then they could, but for now they are far from doing great, they are used to winning the league with matches to spare, this season could be different and do not be surprised if they are left to battle for top four close to the end of the season.

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next week Juventus face the first of Italian Serie A (Milan) with strong Ibra
is hard game for Juventus (bettorz said, 3.30 for Juventus win, 3.15 for Milan win... they said Milan is more strong than Juventus)

but is normal, Juventus now is in 'storming' phase after we have 'normalizing' and after 'performing'

Juventus most strong than AC Milan have Ibra or not this not give any impact for Juventus, maybe Ronaldo will give proof Juventus still the king of Serie A right now although Milan keep standing on the first top, Juventus have more chance to get three points from AC Milan and I think prediction Juventus will win with score 0-2 goal by Morata and Ronaldo.

[Iranus]

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Do you consider 6th position as 'doing great' by Juve's standards, hell no, they are doing bad, can they still win the league? Definitely they can, they aren't too far off, if other teams lose form and they get theirs back, then they could, but for now they are far from doing great, they are used to winning the league with matches to spare, this season could be different and do not be surprised if they are left to battle for top four close to the end of the season.

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next week Juventus face the first of Italian Serie A (Milan) with strong Ibra
is hard game for Juventus (bettorz said, 3.30 for Juventus win, 3.15 for Milan win... they said Milan is more strong than Juventus)

but is normal, Juventus now is in 'storming' phase after we have 'normalizing' and after 'performing'

I don't think Juventus will win against Milan. Milan is very stable team. And they are able to win against any tough opponent. On the other hand, you will not see any continuity in the Juventus team's performance. Even in the Champions League, they did not perform well in the beginning. I bet for Milan. I'm sure Ibra won't disappoint me.

[tyz]

I wonder why Man City is always over priced in the CL winner outright market.  They're at 4.98 at FJ and prolly not far up or down at other books.  

Solid spot is Bayern which the books have priced at 3.77.  The last few years, I think Bayern was never below 5 or 6.  Another solid spot could be Liverpool at 6.80...  The rest are kinda sketchy.

I ask myself the same thing. Must be the coach and the squad in general. Otherwise I can't explain it myself.

As I wrote earlier, I think this year a surprise is possible. Bayern is my favorite, but you never know which teams will be affected by Corona. Let one or two top favorite teams have several corona cases before important matches and it could be that a good outsider can march through. Leipzig, Atletico Madrid or Atalanta Bergamo are such outsiders for me who could make it.

[asus09]

I wonder why Man City is always over priced in the CL winner outright market.  They're at 4.98 at FJ and prolly not far up or down at other books.  

Solid spot is Bayern which the books have priced at 3.77.  The last few years, I think Bayern was never below 5 or 6.  Another solid spot could be Liverpool at 6.80...  The rest are kinda sketchy.

I ask myself the same thing. Must be the coach and the squad in general. Otherwise I can't explain it myself.

As I wrote earlier, I think this year a surprise is possible. Bayern is my favorite, but you never know which teams will be affected by Corona. Let one or two top favorite teams have several corona cases before important matches and it could be that a good outsider can march through. Leipzig, Atletico Madrid or Atalanta Bergamo are such outsiders for me who could make it.

Bayern become favorite because last year get win for champion league and I thinks this season have different thing from last season where match play only one game, there are not have first and second leg so I think will have any surprise result for this season of champion league during many player get positive covid 19 during have match, maybe injury is not problem right now for many player but positive covid 19 will change all player composition because many player have in the list for playing match have miss after positive covid 19.

[suzanne5223]

I wonder why Man City is always over priced in the CL winner outright market.  They're at 4.98 at FJ and prolly not far up or down at other books.  

Solid spot is Bayern which the books have priced at 3.77.  The last few years, I think Bayern was never below 5 or 6.  Another solid spot could be Liverpool at 6.80...  The rest are kinda sketchy.

I ask myself the same thing. Must be the coach and the squad in general. Otherwise I can't explain it myself.

As I wrote earlier, I think this year a surprise is possible. Bayern is my favorite, but you never know which teams will be affected by Corona. Let one or two top favorite teams have several corona cases before important matches and it could be that a good outsider can march through. Leipzig, Atletico Madrid or Atalanta Bergamo are such outsiders for me who could make it.

Bayern become favorite because last year get win for champion league and I thinks this season have different thing from last season where match play only one game, there are not have first and second leg so I think will have any surprise result for this season of champion league during many player get positive covid 19 during have match, maybe injury is not problem right now for many player but positive covid 19 will change all player composition because many player have in the list for playing match have miss after positive covid 19.

You may believe Bayern become favorite because they won last year Champion league tournament but they actually favorite because of their current form and their participation.
About the covid 19 lets hope many player wont be affected.

[kawetsriyanto]

Bayern become favorite because last year get win for champion league and I thinks this season have different thing from last season where match play only one game,

NO, Bayern becomes the most favorite club to win the title because they play consistently and has strong players in any position. Even some Bayern players showed impressive performances during this season. Bayern has a little conceded goals, while they scored many in almost every match. This is enough as the reason why Bayern Munchen to be the favorite club and they deserve it. Regarding will be only a one-game, I don't think it will make Bayern gets difficulties.

[kassex]

The strength of Bayern is more team play than other teams in the Champions League. In other teams the quality of the game depends on a couple of players. Barcelona-Messi, Real Madrid, Ramos, Cross. Closer in spirit to Bayern is Atletico Madrid.

[babo]

I don't think Juventus will win against Milan. Milan is very stable team. And they are able to win against any tough opponent. On the other hand, you will not see any continuity in the Juventus team's performance. Even in the Champions League, they did not perform well in the beginning. I bet for Milan. I'm sure Ibra won't disappoint me.

Yeah, Milan will win.. but sometime the football is strange

great game for me 1 - 3 mean 4 goals and many fun

honestly i would never have bet for juventus
in any case, I remain of the opinion that Milan can win the Scudetto in Italy and not Juventus (in %)
Milan is a much more solid team at the moment

i'm not big fan of Milan, but i'm honest man

[dre1982]

I don't think Juventus will win against Milan. Milan is very stable team. And they are able to win against any tough opponent. On the other hand, you will not see any continuity in the Juventus team's performance. Even in the Champions League, they did not perform well in the beginning. I bet for Milan. I'm sure Ibra won't disappoint me.

Yeah, Milan will win.. but sometime the football is strange

great game for me 1 - 3 mean 4 goals and many fun

honestly i would never have bet for juventus
in any case, I remain of the opinion that Milan can win the Scudetto in Italy and not Juventus (in %)
Milan is a much more solid team at the moment

i'm not big fan of Milan, but i'm honest man

Juventus don't have their good form like previous seasons so I would also bet for Milan.

It would also good to see if some other team will be the champion of the Italian Legaue.

The strength of Bayern is more team play than other teams in the Champions League. In other teams the quality of the game depends on a couple of players. Barcelona-Messi, Real Madrid, Ramos, Cross. Closer in spirit to Bayern is Atletico Madrid.

Bayern Munich is not dependent on any particular player. All the players of the team perform their duties properly from their own position. This is the reason that Bayern are stronger and more stable than any other team. Every player from defense to forward is suitable for his own position.

Correct and that's something most team don't have. They have just a few good players and that's it. When such players is out of form or injuried the whole team collaps.

Just compared it with Ajax few seasons back. They didn't had any worldclass players but some decent players but they played like a team and reached the semi finals.

[Spack17]

I think the most exciting draw will be Barcelona-PSG. Barcelona are having in-team problems this season and it seems Messi will definitely leave the club this summer. But they have a nice 7-match form in the league now. PSG are having a quite good season. Neymar is still injured and it is not known when he will come back according to transfermarkt. I think PSG have much better players and they are more powerful team than Barcelona. Even Messi can't save his team here. I think PSG will definitely eliminate Barcelona.

[kawetsriyanto]

Real Madrid is the same. They are much more dependent on Benjama.

Real Madrid isn't really the same like Barcelona. Real Madrid doesn't depend too much on Benzema. Real Madrid looks depending on Benzema right now because other young strikers still cannot play with their best performance. I think Real Madrid needs another top striker. If they have another top striker, I believe Real doesn't depend on Benzema anymore.

For me, the crucial players in Real Madrid aren't Benzema but those 3 best midfielders of Real Madrid (Casemiro-Kroos-Modric). If they cannot play together, Real Madrid will be a bit difficult to take the ball possessions.

[swogerino]

Real Madrid is the same. They are much more dependent on Benjama.

Real Madrid isn't really the same like Barcelona. Real Madrid doesn't depend too much on Benzema. Real Madrid looks depending on Benzema right now because other young strikers still cannot play with their best performance. I think Real Madrid needs another top striker. If they have another top striker, I believe Real doesn't depend on Benzema anymore.

For me, the crucial players in Real Madrid aren't Benzema but those 3 best midfielders of Real Madrid (Casemiro-Kroos-Modric). If they cannot play together, Real Madrid will be a bit difficult to take the ball possessions.

Real Madrid always had its focus on the forward players and historically has had some of the best strikers like Raoul Gonzalez,Cristiano Ronaldo and a few others.Nowadays though I agree it is more focused on the midfield as it is there where games are won now.They have classy names like Kroos and Modric and I think they can play together without problems.However this is not enough to win the Champions,they need a better striker than Benzema for this.

[babo]

in my humble opinion Real Madrid cannot win this championship
they are clubs under pressure that face many problems, if the players do not cooperate

I see well teams like PSG or in any case of that size, they are hungry
and they are very aggressive, for me there will be some surprises

[kassex]

Real Madrid is the same. They are much more dependent on Benjama.

Real Madrid isn't really the same like Barcelona. Real Madrid doesn't depend too much on Benzema. Real Madrid looks depending on Benzema right now because other young strikers still cannot play with their best performance. I think Real Madrid needs another top striker. If they have another top striker, I believe Real doesn't depend on Benzema anymore.

For me, the crucial players in Real Madrid aren't Benzema but those 3 best midfielders of Real Madrid (Casemiro-Kroos-Modric). If they cannot play together, Real Madrid will be a bit difficult to take the ball possessions.

Real Madrid always had its focus on the forward players and historically has had some of the best strikers like Raoul Gonzalez,Cristiano Ronaldo and a few others.Nowadays though I agree it is more focused on the midfield as it is there where games are won now.They have classy names like Kroos and Modric and I think they can play together without problems.However this is not enough to win the Champions,they need a better striker than Benzema for this.

@kawetsriyanto mate, Real Madrid relies heavily on Benzema. No other striker has been able to perform well. Maybe a midfielder scores, otherwise Benzama scores for Madrid's wins. On a platform like the Champions League, it is very difficult to be a champion with one skilled striker. I agree with @swogerino. If Real Madrid's goal is to win the Champions League, they need to have a better striker than Benzema.

Real Madrid's problem is in Benzema. He has never been a top striker. He always needed a few chances to score a goal. Suarez is currently stronger than him. There are many more players who are stronger than Benzema. But Real is not going to buy more strong attacker.

[snipie]

Real Madrid's problem is in Benzema. He has never been a top striker. He always needed a few chances to score a goal. Suarez is currently stronger than him. There are many more players who are stronger than Benzema. But Real is not going to buy more strong attacker.

You are right. Benzema has never been a top striker. I think Griezmann and Benzama are very similar. Griezmann was able to score after getting many chances. Although Benzema is not a top striker, but he scores regularly. This is very good for Real Madrid. Real Madrid striker is just one but their midfield is very strong. I think that's why Real Madrid was able to win the matches.

Real Madrid doesn't count in Benzema 100% not even 75% and this is good for the team. Many players scored in the last games of Real Madrid in different competitions and that's quite rare to see even in major teams.

[kassex]

Real Madrid's problem is in Benzema. He has never been a top striker. He always needed a few chances to score a goal. Suarez is currently stronger than him. There are many more players who are stronger than Benzema. But Real is not going to buy more strong attacker.

You are right. Benzema has never been a top striker. I think Griezmann and Benzama are very similar. Griezmann was able to score after getting many chances. Although Benzema is not a top striker, but he scores regularly. This is very good for Real Madrid. Real Madrid striker is just one but their midfield is very strong. I think that's why Real Madrid was able to win the matches.

Real Madrid needs a player who plays well in the opponent's penalty area. Benzema is more of a flank player. He enjoys a lot of Zidane's trust. And while Zidane is coach in Real Madrid, we are unlikely to see a very strong striker. If new players come next year, then it will be mainly flanking midfielders or defenders.

[kassex]

Real Madrid's problem is in Benzema. He has never been a top striker. He always needed a few chances to score a goal. Suarez is currently stronger than him. There are many more players who are stronger than Benzema. But Real is not going to buy more strong attacker.

You are right. Benzema has never been a top striker. I think Griezmann and Benzama are very similar. Griezmann was able to score after getting many chances. Although Benzema is not a top striker, but he scores regularly. This is very good for Real Madrid. Real Madrid striker is just one but their midfield is very strong. I think that's why Real Madrid was able to win the matches.

Real Madrid needs a player who plays well in the opponent's penalty area. Benzema is more of a flank player. He enjoys a lot of Zidane's trust. And while Zidane is coach in Real Madrid, we are unlikely to see a very strong striker. If new players come next year, then it will be mainly flanking midfielders or defenders.

As long as Zidan is in charge of Real Madrid, I don't expect him to replace Benzema. Benzema is Zidane's favorite player. I think as like you. They will change the midfielders and the defense line up without changing the Real Madrid forward line-up.

Unfortunately, Zidane has favorites in the team. And he will create conditions for them against the logic. Some players should be sold, as they do not show themselves despite the given chances. But Zidane will not do it. Even if it hurts the team.

[asus09]

Real Madrid's problem is in Benzema. He has never been a top striker. He always needed a few chances to score a goal. Suarez is currently stronger than him. There are many more players who are stronger than Benzema. But Real is not going to buy more strong attacker.

You are right. Benzema has never been a top striker. I think Griezmann and Benzama are very similar. Griezmann was able to score after getting many chances. Although Benzema is not a top striker, but he scores regularly. This is very good for Real Madrid. Real Madrid striker is just one but their midfield is very strong. I think that's why Real Madrid was able to win the matches.

Real Madrid needs a player who plays well in the opponent's penalty area. Benzema is more of a flank player. He enjoys a lot of Zidane's trust. And while Zidane is coach in Real Madrid, we are unlikely to see a very strong striker. If new players come next year, then it will be mainly flanking midfielders or defenders.

As long as Zidan is in charge of Real Madrid, I don't expect him to replace Benzema. Benzema is Zidane's favorite player. I think as like you. They will change the midfielders and the defense line up without changing the Real Madrid forward line-up.

Unfortunately, Zidane has favorites in the team. And he will create conditions for them against the logic. Some players should be sold, as they do not show themselves despite the given chances. But Zidane will not do it. Even if it hurts the team.

Zidane not get any new player for Real Madrid and look little hard because on midfielder Real Madrid need new player and forward position not evolution for Real Madrid as Benzema competitor, I think Real Madrid look not serious to get new player on January window transfer because so far nothing news and issues with new player will arrive or Bernabeu stadium. Maybe Real Madrid right now keep focus with the same player without have any change and become hard for Zidane.

[slapper]

Real Madrid's problem is in Benzema. He has never been a top striker. He always needed a few chances to score a goal. Suarez is currently stronger than him. There are many more players who are stronger than Benzema. But Real is not going to buy more strong attacker.

You are right. Benzema has never been a top striker. I think Griezmann and Benzama are very similar. Griezmann was able to score after getting many chances. Although Benzema is not a top striker, but he scores regularly. This is very good for Real Madrid. Real Madrid striker is just one but their midfield is very strong. I think that's why Real Madrid was able to win the matches.

Real Madrid needs a player who plays well in the opponent's penalty area. Benzema is more of a flank player. He enjoys a lot of Zidane's trust. And while Zidane is coach in Real Madrid, we are unlikely to see a very strong striker. If new players come next year, then it will be mainly flanking midfielders or defenders.

As long as Zidan is in charge of Real Madrid, I don't expect him to replace Benzema. Benzema is Zidane's favorite player. I think as like you. They will change the midfielders and the defense line up without changing the Real Madrid forward line-up.

Unfortunately, Zidane has favorites in the team. And he will create conditions for them against the logic. Some players should be sold, as they do not show themselves despite the given chances. But Zidane will not do it. Even if it hurts the team.

Zidane not get any new player for Real Madrid and look little hard because on midfielder Real Madrid need new player and forward position not evolution for Real Madrid as Benzema competitor, I think Real Madrid look not serious to get new player on January window transfer because so far nothing news and issues with new player will arrive or Bernabeu stadium. Maybe Real Madrid right now keep focus with the same player without have any change and become hard for Zidane.

Real indeed needs to focus on their remaining warriors. And Zidane surely understands well the situation he is facing. This year is hard for this coach and there are many things that need to be done so as to reorganize the whole team. Well, so far so good. I always support Real and Zidane no matter what.