[ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs

[Guy Corem]

Wissam,
I went over the correspondence and I did see that you've requested to join the GB Titan DC offer and we refused.
If you want, we can add you. A better option will be Minersource or Toom.im for example.
Both of them give remote access to the miners.

Guy

Edit: We seriously considered changing from Titan to one of the above options. We decided against, not to break a promise.
Both of those options provide better deal.

If you can please outline the costs involved in these for me to compare that would be helpful. I'd like a comparison to understand the on-going costs and I want to know if those hosting services are endorsed by Spondoolies and if they will be updating firmware and looking after our devices to provide the best efficiency of the machines the same way that Spondoolies does, because I don't have the time to be logging into my 25 units (Plus the more that will follow should I become a happy customer) and worrying about if something goes wrong I have to pay shipping back to Spondoolies for repairs and all that stuff etc. Also I know that when there is down time due to device issues or hosting issues Spondoolies will put up extra machines to cover the downtime, I don't know if other providers do that, I don't think they do because they won't have the machines but you do. These are all reasons why I wanted to stick to the original plan of hosting with Spondoolies to begin with.

I'll let toom.im and minersource reply regarding their offering.
You already know the Titan GB offering.

We're giving compensation for down time (not part of the SLA) because our DC isn't yet up to the standards we want.
I don't believe that someone else will give you compensation for down time, but much less down time is expected.

Edit: going to sleep.

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[Delmonger]

I ordered 2 September Batch 1s for about $10,000 total.  But I'm getting confused with batch 2 being 4.5TH when batch one was advertised as 6.0

I've emailed Spondoolies but like others I've not had any reply yet.  Anyone know what's going on?  Are the batch ones really 4.5TH and not 6TH as advertised before?  What happened to the product page of the sold out batch 1 units? 

And if they're not going to provide what was promised, how do I proceed to get a refund?

[wissam]

Wissam,
I went over the correspondence and I did see that you've requested to join the GB Titan DC offer and we refused.
If you want, we can add you. A better option will be Minersource or Toom.im for example.
Both of them give remote access to the miners.

Guy

Edit: We seriously considered changing from Titan to one of the above options. We decided against, not to break a promise.
Both of those options provide better deal.

If you can please outline the costs involved in these for me to compare that would be helpful. I'd like a comparison to understand the on-going costs and I want to know if those hosting services are endorsed by Spondoolies and if they will be updating firmware and looking after our devices to provide the best efficiency of the machines the same way that Spondoolies does, because I don't have the time to be logging into my 25 units (Plus the more that will follow should I become a happy customer) and worrying about if something goes wrong I have to pay shipping back to Spondoolies for repairs and all that stuff etc. Also I know that when there is down time due to device issues or hosting issues Spondoolies will put up extra machines to cover the downtime, I don't know if other providers do that, I don't think they do because they won't have the machines but you do. These are all reasons why I wanted to stick to the original plan of hosting with Spondoolies to begin with.

@Toom.im & @Spondoolies: Please check your emails and reply back. We have chosen to host 29 x SP30s with Toom.im (September Batch 1). Please reserve the spots for us and we have already told Spondoolies that we are switching over and we are waiting on their reply (Which as we know will take 3-5 days).

[Marvell1]

To the black bitcoin miners market district trading SP30s for crack )

Did you get the crack or the SP30?

I have an SP30 on order, but I did find this comment funny  

I bet u would u racist

[Collider]

There is no need to red-post the spondoolies thread to get the attention of jtoomim.

If you want a quick reply, emailing or skyping should be perfectly sufficient.


That being said, I am sure they will do their very best to give you a good hosting experience.

[Biodom]

Wissam,
I went over the correspondence and I did see that you've requested to join the GB Titan DC offer and we refused.
If you want, we can add you. A better option will be Minersource or Toom.im for example.
Both of them give remote access to the miners.

Guy

Edit: We seriously considered changing from Titan to one of the above options. We decided against, not to break a promise.
Both of those options provide better deal.

If you can please outline the costs involved in these for me to compare that would be helpful. I'd like a comparison to understand the on-going costs and I want to know if those hosting services are endorsed by Spondoolies and if they will be updating firmware and looking after our devices to provide the best efficiency of the machines the same way that Spondoolies does, because I don't have the time to be logging into my 25 units (Plus the more that will follow should I become a happy customer) and worrying about if something goes wrong I have to pay shipping back to Spondoolies for repairs and all that stuff etc. Also I know that when there is down time due to device issues or hosting issues Spondoolies will put up extra machines to cover the downtime, I don't know if other providers do that, I don't think they do because they won't have the machines but you do. These are all reasons why I wanted to stick to the original plan of hosting with Spondoolies to begin with.

@Toom.im & @Spondoolies: Please check your emails and reply back. We have chosen to host 29 x SP30s with Toom.im (September Batch 1). Please reserve the spots for us and we have already told Spondoolies that we are switching over and we are waiting on their reply (Which as we know will take 3-5 days).

Good for you, but do you have 20, 25 or 29 machines on September batch 1 order? The number seems to grow from one post to another.
SPT has machines in reserve/cancelled? Otherwise, I cannot see how this is possible.

[jtoomim]

If you can please outline the costs involved in these for me to compare that would be helpful. I'd like a comparison to understand the on-going costs and I want to know if those hosting services are endorsed by Spondoolies and if they will be updating firmware and looking after our devices to provide the best efficiency of the machines the same way that Spondoolies does, because I don't have the time to be logging into my 25 units (Plus the more that will follow should I become a happy customer) and worrying about if something goes wrong I have to pay shipping back to Spondoolies for repairs and all that stuff etc. Also I know that when there is down time due to device issues or hosting issues Spondoolies will put up extra machines to cover the downtime, I don't know if other providers do that, I don't think they do because they won't have the machines but you do. These are all reasons why I wanted to stick to the original plan of hosting with Spondoolies to begin with.

Our prices are listed on our website, http://toom.im. As far as I know, they are the best prices offered by anyone who currently has capacity. For 3 month terms (paid in advance), 29 SP30s would cost $21663 for 3 months, or $7221/month, or $249/SP30/month. We also have rates for 12-month terms ($210/mo each), 6 months, and 1 month. We do not offer bulk discounts as a matter of principle -- we really want Bitcoin mining to be decentralized.

We can accommodate your 20 or 25 or 29 SP30s. Not a problem. It would be nice to know how many you actually have on order, though.

We update firmware as often as you want us to. We watch over your machines and will usually notice when something is wrong before you do. I'm a decent programmer, and I also hire other decent programmers, and we'll be deploying some tools (or possibly Hashrabbit's) to monitor your machines and the datacenter. Spondoolies is sending me the monitoring software they use in their DC, but I suspect we'll be able to improve upon it, since hosting machines is our core competency.

We do not currently intend to compensate miners for downtime. We will provide refunds on our monthly fees if we fall below 98% uptime. I expect our uptime to be in the mid- to high 99% range starting in September. (Our early adopter customers have had to put up with about 10 hours so far of planned downtime as we finish our facility.)

We will keep spare power supplies on hand in case of PSU failure. We coordinate closely with Spondoolies for SSH support during software and firmware issues that we can't fix ourselves. Collider can attest to this -- he had a stuck FPGA issue a while ago that we were able to fix within a few hours with Zvi's help.

Our cooling system is pretty good. You should expect slightly (maybe ~0.5-2%, still need more data) higher hashrates in our DC during the summer than in most other DCs, including Spondoolies. Once the fall/winter arrives, it should get even better. I'm editing and uploading a video to Youtube now about this; I'll post a link soon.

By the way, I haven't received any emails from you yet. Please make sure you sent it to the right address, and maybe try PMing me too. You can use jtoomim@jtoomim.org, j@toom.im, or orders@toom.im.

[jtoomim]

I ordered 2 September Batch 1s for about $10,000 total.  But I'm getting confused with batch 2 being 4.5TH when batch one was advertised as 6.0

I've emailed Spondoolies but like others I've not had any reply yet.  Anyone know what's going on?  Are the batch ones really 4.5TH and not 6TH as advertised before?  What happened to the product page of the sold out batch 1 units? 

And if they're not going to provide what was promised, how do I proceed to get a refund?

This was addressed about one month ago. Read this, and let us know if you have any further questions.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg8091165#msg8091165

[jtoomim]

Video of our DC, with a bit of SP30 and SP10 action at around 3m00s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rQ-YIDmsBc

[Guy Corem]

I ordered 2 September Batch 1s for about $10,000 total.  But I'm getting confused with batch 2 being 4.5TH when batch one was advertised as 6.0

I've emailed Spondoolies but like others I've not had any reply yet.  Anyone know what's going on?  Are the batch ones really 4.5TH and not 6TH as advertised before?  What happened to the product page of the sold out batch 1 units? 

And if they're not going to provide what was promised, how do I proceed to get a refund?

September's SP30 are 4.5 TH/s +- 5% on 220V
You should have gotten the newsletter: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/news/14979953-introducing-the-sp30

We'll contact all the customers during next week with the various compensation options, based on preserving the $/GHs ratio and compensating for the missing GHs

Guy

[Guy Corem]

Video of our DC, with a bit of SP30 and SP10 action at around 3m00s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rQ-YIDmsBc

Looks cool

Edit:
Increase your capacity. Build it and they'll come. Thousands of SP30, SP31, ...

[murdof]

Video of our DC, with a bit of SP30 and SP10 action at around 3m00s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rQ-YIDmsBc

Very professional work!

Europeans loved it, Americans probably hated it as they had Google open to convert all the numbers you gave to imperial :p

Will definitely host with you my new miners.

[wanna4fun]

Video of our DC, with a bit of SP30 and SP10 action at around 3m00s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rQ-YIDmsBc

thanks for the video !
And I confirm, as early customer -1st -that there were some downtime (while the infrastructure is not finished yet) with full support for bringing up the machine and tuning them (SP30). We need more of this kind of datacenter and more of people like this !

Seems that spondoolies's side effect make appears some new business model !

[codenameblue]

if you have only one unit, put it there .. Host everything you have above that one unit with jtoomim.

One unit has 2 power supplies, drawing 7A each from the wall. That is 14A maxed out .. but for sustained load, this would represent 80% of the circuit size (i.e. the circuit should be at least 17.5 Amps).

So .. as the breakers go .. a 20 Amps circuit will host you one unit. A 30 Amps circuit will host you 1 1/2 units

If you get all three phases independently at the rack level, triple that. I guess the sales guy was telling you what you paid for, not what you need.

Actually, it's trickier than that. You don't get 208V as an independent phase-to-neutral voltage. You have to wire up to two phases to get that (hot-to-hot). A three phase 208V PDU has 1/3 of the sockets wired up between phase A and phase B, 1/3 wired between B and C, and 1/3 wired between C and A. This means if you put 7 amps on one plug (AB), that's 7 amps on phase A and 7 amps on phase B. If you put 3 plugs on AB, that would be 21 amps on A and 21 amps on B. Then you couldn't plug anything into phase C. If instead you put one on AB, one on BC, and one on CA, then you get 14 amps on each phase. You could then stick another plug on AB, and you'd get 21 amps on A and B, but only 14 amps on C. That's four plugs total, or two SP30s. Any additional plugs you put on BC or CA would bring B or A up to 28 amps, which exceeds the 80% limit for safe utilization. If you found that you could get away with that, or if you had the ability to boost voltage to 230 or 240V (or underclock your SP30s), you might be able to add one plug on BC and another on CA, putting all three phases at around 28A, with six plugs and three SP30s.

This is incorrect, see this article:

http://www.raritan.com/blog/detail/how-to-calculate-current-on-a-3-phase-208v-rack-pdu-power-strip

[BitCoin Operated Boy]

... There have been at least about 50 PH deployed within last 4 weeks ...

Mostly BitFury and Innosilicon.
Regarding the later, from the amount of ASICs requests we're getting from China, it seems that CoinCraft A1 is towards the end of it's life.

Yes but Innosilicom mostly produces scrypt units. Have you got any info/news about their btc farms?

They have been definitely working on different chip desing already

[BitCoin Operated Boy]

Hi Spondoolies,

As you know I have purchased 20 x SP30 devices with hosting expecting 6TH each for a total of 120TH while incurring on going hosting expenses for 20 devices ($24,000 every 3 months). So what this means my initial calculation is that I will make about USD 135,000 - hosting for 3 months for 20 devices ($24,000) = $111,000 return in 3 months.

Now because of your mistake I have to get 25 x SP30 with hosting each at the lower 4.5TH for a total of 112.50TH. And this calculation comes to USD 126,000 - hosting for 25 devices for 3 months ($30,000) = $96,000 in 3 months.

So basically you have compensated for the $/GH value and that's good thanks, but what about the extra $30,000 - $24,000 = $6,000 that I lost in hosting expenses and am going to continue losing every 3 months?
...

That's nice that they offered you compensation because most us us have been offered nothing yet...
I guess big orders have priority over "meaningless" small orders

[BitCoin Operated Boy]

Video of our DC, with a bit of SP30 and SP10 action at around 3m00s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rQ-YIDmsBc

Very professional work!

Europeans loved it, Americans probably hated it as they had Google open to convert all the numbers you gave to imperial :p

Will definitely host with you my new miners.

BY THE WAY, Coindesk has mentioned SP31 in their article but they wrote incorrect 1500 watts instead 3000 watts on the wall.

http://www.coindesk.com/mining-roundup-rigs-home-heating-bitcoin-backbone/

[Collider]

That's nice that they offered you compensation because most us us have been offered nothing yet...
I guess big orders have priority over "meaningless" small orders

There might have been a misunderstanding here.

Everybody has been offered compensation by spondoolies, but spondoolies will start contacting people after next week about their different choices of compensation.

[johnray]

Spondoolies: a question...
Is there a hardware ID or other identifier (other than a order number) that would identify a machine.
Is this information being transmitted to the owner upon order fulfillment?
The reason-in a hosting environment, with many machines coming and going, mistakes could be made.
How can we ensure that a particular miner is mine and not someone else's?
I know that this is not your problem, but S3 all look the same and if there was such an ID, I don't know where to look (in case of S3)

The machines has serial ID.

that is visible in FW/SW?

And on the miner physically.

I am sure that you have this covered, but assuming that buyer has no physical contact with the machine(s), some other ID process has to be in place.
For example, buyer gets a shipping email with machine's serial number, then logs in into "his" machine at the hosting site, checks the Serial number in the FW/SW and that should be the same as in his/her email-it is all good. You would think that people cannot make such mistakes (misplace, mislabel, etc), but as a matter of fact they do, especially since there is nothing to distinguish one machine from another (color, etc.). I would actually suggest for hosting sites with hundreds of machines some form of barcoding with double label-one goes on the machine, another into customers file and they have to match. There are barcoding printers that can do a small double label.

I will have this issue too when my machine will be delivered to the hosting provider; It is important to be sure that we are on the right machine. Confusion may happened; and some machines have issues. Tracking them is important. And we can expect too, and I hope so, this is common with electronic manufacturing, the production will be more mature on September, and we can expect to see a slight and positive differences on the delivered machines (SMD resistor values adjusted and so on, better decoupling..).

Is the number sent to the owner when the delivery begins ?
Is there an eeprom on the machine that can be checked once logged ?

[wissam]

If you can please outline the costs involved in these for me to compare that would be helpful. I'd like a comparison to understand the on-going costs and I want to know if those hosting services are endorsed by Spondoolies and if they will be updating firmware and looking after our devices to provide the best efficiency of the machines the same way that Spondoolies does, because I don't have the time to be logging into my 25 units (Plus the more that will follow should I become a happy customer) and worrying about if something goes wrong I have to pay shipping back to Spondoolies for repairs and all that stuff etc. Also I know that when there is down time due to device issues or hosting issues Spondoolies will put up extra machines to cover the downtime, I don't know if other providers do that, I don't think they do because they won't have the machines but you do. These are all reasons why I wanted to stick to the original plan of hosting with Spondoolies to begin with.

Our prices are listed on our website, http://toom.im. As far as I know, they are the best prices offered by anyone who currently has capacity. For 3 month terms (paid in advance), 29 SP30s would cost $21663 for 3 months, or $7221/month, or $249/SP30/month. We also have rates for 12-month terms ($210/mo each), 6 months, and 1 month. We do not offer bulk discounts as a matter of principle -- we really want Bitcoin mining to be decentralized.

We can accommodate your 20 or 25 or 29 SP30s. Not a problem. It would be nice to know how many you actually have on order, though.

We update firmware as often as you want us to. We watch over your machines and will usually notice when something is wrong before you do. I'm a decent programmer, and I also hire other decent programmers, and we'll be deploying some tools (or possibly Hashrabbit's) to monitor your machines and the datacenter. Spondoolies is sending me the monitoring software they use in their DC, but I suspect we'll be able to improve upon it, since hosting machines is our core competency.

We do not currently intend to compensate miners for downtime. We will provide refunds on our monthly fees if we fall below 98% uptime. I expect our uptime to be in the mid- to high 99% range starting in September. (Our early adopter customers have had to put up with about 10 hours so far of planned downtime as we finish our facility.)

We will keep spare power supplies on hand in case of PSU failure. We coordinate closely with Spondoolies for SSH support during software and firmware issues that we can't fix ourselves. Collider can attest to this -- he had a stuck FPGA issue a while ago that we were able to fix within a few hours with Zvi's help.

Our cooling system is pretty good. You should expect slightly (maybe ~0.5-2%, still need more data) higher hashrates in our DC during the summer than in most other DCs, including Spondoolies. Once the fall/winter arrives, it should get even better. I'm editing and uploading a video to Youtube now about this; I'll post a link soon.

By the way, I haven't received any emails from you yet. Please make sure you sent it to the right address, and maybe try PMing me too. You can use jtoomim@jtoomim.org, j@toom.im, or orders@toom.im.

Thanks for your explanation I believe I'll be hosting with you. I emailed the information to orders@toom.im so all information is in there please check again. If you couldn't find let me know and I'll resend to you again.