[ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs

[btc_uzr]

Feel free to browse his post history. though if i were he i would be deleting like a madman right about now.


i asked about shipped order numbers as it appears there are less than a handful in the wild.

and im also interested in factual details of the 'compensation package'.

while they are not technical questions i am confident they deserve acknowledgement.

i pray this is not lumped in the troll category

Edgar,
You're certainly not a troll.
The compensation details will become public in the following week or so.
We're producing, testing and shipping, whenever we get the next batch of tested ASICs.
We can't tell exact date per exact order#

Guy

Guy,

I can't remember a similar situation before in the mining business like this one.
Shit happens and company immediately informs customers, mentions compensation plans and stays in direct contact with the community.

So far, I'm impressed how you handle the current situation!
I really wish you wouldn't be an exception in this business, but sadly you are..


*Disclaimer: not a customer, yet

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[Collider]

@ Zvisha



Posted some 24hour stats, sp30 above, for comparison an sp10 at another DC on the same pool below.

Unfortunately there was a short ddos until the target was taken offline, so ignore the red marked area.

You can clearly see the frequent restarts of the sp30 by the drop in hashrate. I am not exactly sure what the 24-hour average hashrate at the pool is.

[Searing]

Although Spontoolies Tech SP30 didn't meet their specs.
I want to congratulate Guy and his team for archieving this goal.
I have no doubt that they will improve the SP30 in later batches.

Thank you.

not trying to inflame everyone on here....I assume the $$$/gh will be appropriate..I would appreciate some further 'modest' compensation *you don't have to go nuts on this*....for the jump from 2500 to 3000 watts...for those running it at home/bsmt like myself..that is $60 bucks extra a month elec/fees at 0.15c kwh for me.....and of course my arch enemy in all this 'heat'...and I will be running each power supply of the two circuits 220v ...on the sp30 on a different 20amp line/20amp breaker each ..so that is not an issue with me the 110v USA...again ...it is the extra electric costs/heat movement out/cooling as my main issue....at 3000 watts and 4.5TH ...yeah the dual ouch here..I woulda probably hosted....

irregardless if you think hosting these at home was wise or not..no one made too big a deal out of it at 2500 watts at 3000 watts..well that may have been a different story
for myself (heat)/further electric costs..and those limited to 110v for the miner (or so I'd read on here) if that would have been in the info packet when we decided to home use back at ordering .well maybe? a different choice would have been wiser.

so the TH went down from 6Th to 4.5Th the combo of that and the 500 or 600 extra watts...well ouch!...and from what I gather on here it also will effect the guys with data service hosting plans from what I can tell...there costs just got bumped....esp the large order guys ..if I am following that in this thread on that here correctly...

anyway hopefully it is being considered as a modest addition to the $$/gh you have already stated as your compensation plan

again trying not to start a flame war here...just think it is fair electric use wise (500-600 watts extra 24/7) and getting extra heat out/cooling wise etc that this be a further consideration then just the $$$/gh only as compensation....kinda a double whammy for us home use types (or heck prob data hosting guys as well)

as usual I and others on here appreciate your efforts on our behalf

my 2c worth

Searing

[Collider]

@ compensation debate:

Obviously the decrease in hashrate will be compensated appropriatly.

(although I agree that Guy and ST beat the drum very hard claiming "at least 6TH" and it said 6TH on the website for quite a while)

I even remember getting an email update that claimed every sp30 will now get 6 TH, so yeah, that should really be the basis for compensation (atleast for units sold after that email).


The 60% worse power efficiency (not the 17% increase from 2500 to 3000W as Searing put it) needs to be appropriatly compensated aswell.

[Searing]

@ compensation debate:

Obviously the decrease in hashrate will be compensated appropriately.

The 60% worse power efficiency (not the 17% increase from 2500 to 3000W as Searing put it) needs to be appropriately compensated aswell.

ok what did I miss...er....OK I get it....because of the decrease from what 6TH to 4.5TH ....vs power use...DUH!

anyway what he said above (better minds then me)

Searing

[klondike_bar]

Speaking for myself:


Now I live in europe where 240v is standard, but apparently even in the US/Canada you do actually have 220v just split in two parts and its a matter of getting a little y-cable and you can do it in a home also.  So buy the cable already, sure it cant cost more than $5 on ebay.

Europe has 220v single phase, usa has 240v split phase.  Not a simple cable to have 240v outlet in usa.  Minimum of a new breaker. Usually requires new breaker and new wire to new outlet.

usually the US/CANADA is wired with a Hot 120V, neutral (0V return), and Ground (0V safety). Changing the neutral wire for a select outlet to run on the secondary phase of 120V will give you 240V at the outlet and work with a 'typical' PC power cord.

however, running 240V in a 120V socket is against code, so it should be switched out to a 240V-speced outlet.

[adam3us]

Europe has 220v single phase, usa has 240v split phase.  Not a simple cable to have 240v outlet in usa.  Minimum of a new breaker. Usually requires new breaker and new wire to new outlet.

Maybe it depends which part of europe but trust me I have put a voltmeter on the supply and it is 240v not 220v.

You can also get three phase with 415V which relates to sqrt(3)*240=415.

Adam

[s1gs3gv]

I don't think trolls will ever stop, because if you go to their message history you see that they are active on 1-3 HW manufacturers posts, trying to demotivate people, and that's all they do. And they didn't ever buy miners from us. For example, s1gs3 writes only in "Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now!" and in this thread, almost every day, and telling how great Antminers are. I don't have anything against antminer, but how often do you see us going to other vendors technical forums, disturbing operation?

And at this point EVERY new person coming to this thread asking relevant question about noise, voltage, rate, warranty, delivery  or whatever will get into conversation with a troll before I even wake up.

I will do my best to convince Guy to ban people who disturb operation from this thread - I think it will be less damaging for our clients then keeping them here. He thinks they will "settle" down, but I don't see think that people should be allowed here to disturb the operation.


And even after I blocked them, I see them in quoted boxes if someone replies to them :/

Are you completely unaware of roadstress's behaviour on EVERY other manufacturers threads over the past 2 months??

why do you spend so much time & energy only replying to trolls & ass-kissers when there are relevant questions being asked??

Thats a very good question Edgar. Very good question.

I am not trolling anybody's threads Z. Several of us are active on the Alpha-T thread at the moment because Alpha-T is a disaster in full progress and I have been helping people like Vesperwillow, Retro72 and Aderl pull the curtain back on the Alpha-T operation so their customers can get a better view of the developing disaster and act to save their deposits before it is too late.

You won't find me trolling the Bitmain thread either. I have some Bitmain equipment and I think highly of Bitmain but whenever I mention  Bitmain in this thread it is only to point how what a bad deal the Sept. SP30 is compared to S3 because S3 is shipping now, its not a preorder. By now everybody realizes I hope that 10 S3 in the hand will mine 4-5 BTC before the Sept SP30 even starts mining and therefore the Sept. SP30 is overpriced.

I get it that you don't like that and would like to bury that message with accusations of trolling, but its just a fact.

On the 110 volt underperformance, I've followed this thread for a long time and never noticed any statements by anyone that the SP30 would have the same problem in this regard as the SP10. I was nearly a Farmer's Choice customers and I was nearly a RS GB customer (I got lucky and dodged those bullets) and rewiring my house was not in the budget, is not as cheap as running down to Home Depot and picking up a new box and some wire and in any case is not an option for me. There is no good reason why correctly designed equipment should perform worse at 110v than at 208-240v. Sure the efficiency may vary, but there is no reason the hash rate should. I consider it a design fault.

I am so glad I skipped on the SP30. And I am so surprised at the amount of pushback I am getting on what I consider to be very legitimate observations and questions.

And Z, if you want to take issue with trolling, ST have several well known trolls of their own whose behavior ranges from bad to infantile. Go read the KNC thread if you need to for examples.

[Guy Corem]

The compensation will be for the missed GH/s, per the specific $/GH/s ratio of each customer order. It was explained numerous time before.
We'll allow each customer to select the form of compensation. More details soon.

Guy

[s1gs3gv]

The 60% worse power efficiency (not the 17% increase from 2500 to 3000W as Hodor the Lonely put it) needs to be appropriatly compensated aswell.

Indeed!

It is only fair. What we have here is ST rushing out their small batch of early orders with what amounts to test samples from the foundry. Normally, these would be used for testing and adjustments would be made in the manufacturing process until the design target was reached. Then, and only then, production would start. ST chooses to ship em, they should compensate fairly.

[s1gs3gv]

who other than collider actually has one though?

Dunno … maybe RoadStress got an early one ? I remember him crowing a chapter or two back about expecting his first one with Collider.

[zvisha]

@ Zvisha



Posted some 24hour stats, sp30 above, for comparison an sp10 at another DC on the same pool below.

Unfortunately there was a short ddos until the target was taken offline, so ignore the red marked area.

You can clearly see the frequent restarts of the sp30 by the drop in hashrate. I am not exactly sure what the 24-hour average hashrate at the pool is.

It is normal in the first day.
Let's see how it settles down. Should stop restarting.

[Biodom]

@ Zvisha



Posted some 24hour stats, sp30 above, for comparison an sp10 at another DC on the same pool below.

Unfortunately there was a short ddos until the target was taken offline, so ignore the red marked area.

You can clearly see the frequent restarts of the sp30 by the drop in hashrate. I am not exactly sure what the 24-hour average hashrate at the pool is.

It is normal in the first day.
Let's see how it settles down. Should stop restarting.

Are sales people there at SPT? No reply from sales.

[Searing]

@ compensation debate:

Obviously the decrease in hashrate will be compensated appropriatly.

(although I agree that Guy and ST beat the drum very hard claiming "at least 6TH" and it said 6TH on the website for quite a while)

I even remember getting an email update that claimed every sp30 will now get 6 TH, so yeah, that should really be the basis for compensation (atleast for units sold after that email).


The 60% worse power efficiency (not the 17% increase from 2500 to 3000W as Searing put it) needs to be appropriatly compensated aswell.

well looks to me it is just gonna be $$$/gh nothing for the worsening elec/wattage increase...

or am I reading the below wrong

The compensation will be for the missed GH/s, per the specific $/GH/s ratio of each customer order. It was explained numerous time before.
We'll allow each customer to select the form of compensation. More details soon.

Guy

so....we look to be compensated for the 6Th (or are they gonna use 5.4TH? as the BASE speed?) but not for the increased power usage....
or I missed another memo and am reading the above incorrectly?

Searing

[Biodom]

@ compensation debate:

Obviously the decrease in hashrate will be compensated appropriatly.

(although I agree that Guy and ST beat the drum very hard claiming "at least 6TH" and it said 6TH on the website for quite a while)

I even remember getting an email update that claimed every sp30 will now get 6 TH, so yeah, that should really be the basis for compensation (atleast for units sold after that email).


The 60% worse power efficiency (not the 17% increase from 2500 to 3000W as Searing put it) needs to be appropriatly compensated aswell.

well looks to me it is just gonna be $$$/gh nothing for the worsening elec/wattage increase...

or am I reading the below wrong

The compensation will be for the missed GH/s, per the specific $/GH/s ratio of each customer order. It was explained numerous time before.
We'll allow each customer to select the form of compensation. More details soon.

Guy

so....we look to be compensated for the 6Th (or are they gonna use 5.4TH? as the BASE speed?) but not for the increased power usage....
or I missed another memo and am reading the above incorrectly?

Searing

I read this that if you ordered when machine was considered 5.4TH, then your base is 5.4TH, same logic for those (like myself) who ordered when machine was advertized as 6Th. Power use is a point of some contention, allegedly. If you ordered when it was 5.4, then the deficit is ~17%, and 25% for 4.5vs 6.0Th. It is not clear what would be a fair procedure for power calc.

[Searing]

@ compensation debate:

Obviously the decrease in hashrate will be compensated appropriatly.

(although I agree that Guy and ST beat the drum very hard claiming "at least 6TH" and it said 6TH on the website for quite a while)

I even remember getting an email update that claimed every sp30 will now get 6 TH, so yeah, that should really be the basis for compensation (atleast for units sold after that email).


The 60% worse power efficiency (not the 17% increase from 2500 to 3000W as Searing put it) needs to be appropriatly compensated aswell.

well looks to me it is just gonna be $$$/gh nothing for the worsening elec/wattage increase...

or am I reading the below wrong

The compensation will be for the missed GH/s, per the specific $/GH/s ratio of each customer order. It was explained numerous time before.
We'll allow each customer to select the form of compensation. More details soon.

Guy

so....we look to be compensated for the 6Th (or are they gonna use 5.4TH? as the BASE speed?) but not for the increased power usage....
or I missed another memo and am reading the above incorrectly?

Searing

I read this that if you ordered when machine was considered 5.4TH, then your base is 5.4TH, same for those (like myself) who ordered when machine was advertized as 6Th. Power use is a point of some contention, allegedly.

disappointing I guess.....that was a pretty huge miss the hashrate and the power use...but to be expected I guess...min compensation...more then that

too much to hope for.......now just need all this stuff to creep out a couple weeks late...to wrap it all up in a bow...

Searing

[RoadStress]

Feel free to browse his post history. though if i were he i would be deleting like a madman right about now.


i asked about shipped order numbers as it appears there are less than a handful in the wild.

and im also interested in factual details of the 'compensation package'.

I have not deleted any of my posts and I will not do it. I do take responsibility for what I have said in the past. Can't say the same thing about you since you would delete your posts.

As for the shipping queue if you are not a customer SP-Tech isn't obligated to present you the shipping report daily, same for the compensation package too. There are only a handful in the wild because there were just a few July orders and my July order was shipped in July and until now nobody complained about any delays. August orders will be shipped in August. Since it's just the 3rd day of the month I don't see how can there be tons of units in the wild. Since the compensation package will be offered in October for me as a customer finding the details now or in 2 weeks or in 4 weeks it's exactly the same since whatever I will receive will be in October.

Dunno … maybe RoadStress got an early one ? I remember him crowing a chapter or two back about expecting his first one with Collider.

My unit arrived today in Iceland. I hope to have it hashing online tomorrow if not then it will be online Tuesday for sure.

[jtoomim]

I heard from Dogie that he will get his SP30 soon. Knowing him, he will probably do the measurements and compare the miner noise to other miners. It makes less noise then SP10, but I can not compare it to other miners because I don't have other miners.
In 110V it makes more noise then in 220V because the PSU is hotter, and most noise is from the PSU.

That sounds about right. The air coming out of the PSUs was about 15°C hotter than the air coming out of the main fans, and the PSU fans run at a much higher RPM. Maybe today I'll record an audio sample and run it through a Fourier transform.

I bet SP30 performance could probably be improved with some aftermarket modifications to the PSUs for airflow. I see the Emersons are available on ebay for reasonable prices, but I can't find the Murata PSUs there. Perhaps I'll buy a couple extra Emersons and see if I can mod them for better airflow. For example, the hole that the fan exhausts out of seems to be quite small. I'd guess that expanding those holes a bit would likely improve airflow, thereby reducing temperatures and expanding the load headroom before thermal shutdown. It also might be possible to mount a fan external to the SP30 case in push configuration in front of the PSUs. In my DC, we're already planning on setting up a sealed tunnel hot aisle config with fans forcing extra air through the SP30s. Perhaps we could set up baffles to encourage a higher proportion of the extra air to flow through the PSU. I'm looking forward to playing around with this. I think the hole widening would probably result in the biggest improvement.

Obviously, Spondoolies cannot condone or support such behavior, I know.

[jtoomim]

My first SP30 arrived on Friday. It was part of the April/July Better Together batch. I placed the order on March 21, 2014.

[Biodom]

think the hole widening would probably result in the biggest improvement.

Obviously, Spondoolies cannot condone or support such behavior, I know.

once you made a bigger hole, it is usually cannot be undone easily (without replacing the whole net/panel).
could void the warranty